17177 réponses à ce sujet

[Lord Atlia]

Mary Kirby wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Doesn't she generally give it up either way, when her companion quest is complete and Marethari is dead?

No, she keeps it if you're on her friendship path. It's just confusing at the moment because of the bug. (Which I've been promised should be fixed in the patch.) If you're a rival, she smashes the mirror. If you're a friend, she keeps working on the mirror and remains a blood mage.

You have made my day, I thought she destroyed it either way.

[PseudoEthnic]

I always go friendship romance with Merrill, but I stay clear of demons, and somehow manage to not get rivalry points from her. I even told her to kill the rock wraith demon(which was unsuccessful), and I didn't get rivalry points.

[ashwind]

Maybe it is a bug but - Merrill is a bit... crazy right?

Merrill "Oh, I would love to see the Fade, you will bring me wont you?"
Hawke "Alright, you can come"
Merrill "Happy happy joy joy"

Merrill rivalry +15.

Hawke "Can someone go to the deep roads and pick up my jaw"

[MasterSamson88]

I guess the vibe I'm getting from Merrill's friendship/rivalry situation is that if you:

Friendship: Marethari dies yet Merrill holds out hope that something may be gained from the mirror and keeps working with it.

Rivalry: Marethari dies and through Hawkes intervention realizes just how destructive the things she is dealing with are.

I feel like with Rivalry there's a definite sense of "You're going to hate me right now for disagreeing with you but you'll appreciate what I've done later." And there's an even greater sense of appreciation if she's in a romance with you as well. A kind of "You really are watching out for me" sort of feeling.

I guess my main question is just why does Merrill keep the mirror if she knows that it was a trap set by the demon, since Marethari tells her this herself?

Modifié par MasterSamson88, 18 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

She knows it's more than that. She wanted the demon's help in figuring out how the mirror worked, but there's still a chance to get it working without the demon.

[MasterSamson88]

I'm really just confused. I'm wondering if either outcome is really supposed to be bad per say.

Like it's starting to sound like the friendship romance is dooming Merrill or something.

[Lord Atlia]

The friendship romance/path for Merrill is supporting her in her efforts with both the mirror and her dark arts, that is why the friendship ability is more potent blood magic.

[Kilshrek]

Well the Imperium isn't full of loony abominations and such things, and the Wardens were never overrun by abominations. I'll take my chances with Blood Mage Merrill. However it'd be horrible to be killed in my sleep by an abomination...

And the mabari does not stink like a bog.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Yes it does. I would rather have a pet dragonling. Those things are adorable!

[Tiercel24]

Dropping in to say I adore Merrill Brillant job Mary Kirby and Eve Myles.

"The Fire" - www.youtube.com/watch
   - www.youtube.com/watch

[MasterSamson88]

I suppose neither outcome is actually bad. Rather both outcomes reflect how Hawke feels about blood magic and it's uses. If you feel that Merrill can handle it, then you'll support her. If you fear for her and what she's getting into then you'll deny her.

It seems like either way she has the ability to love Hawke, or be Hawke's friend. One falls for Hawke because of the amount of support Merrill gets from him/her, the other outcome has Merrrill fall for Hawke because of the concern he/she has for her.

Either way she feels she must work on the Eluvian. No matter who gets in her way or who might love or have concern for her she continues her work. The only difference it seems is in the end. If Hawke has supported Merrill up to this point, I suppose she'll still have confidence in her blood magic and feel that perhaps something can come of the mirror. If you rivaled her she'll realize that Hawke was right this whole time and decide to finally do away with the mirror.

[Mr.House]

The only thing I don't like about the rival path is really what it says in her spec. You are still her friend, all a rival Merrill is, is you taking an active role on protecting her from herself and others from the mirror. She hates you at first but then admits you where right. This is my thought on it anyways, what do I know.

[MasterSamson88]

Mr.House wrote...

The only thing I don't like about the rival path is really what it says in her spec. You are still her friend, all a rival Merrill is, is you taking an active role on protecting her from herself and others from the mirror. She hates you at first but then admits you where right. This is my thought on it anyways, what do I know.

No, I pretty much totally agree with you on that. 

It is just sort of sad that the specialization is called outcast, when she's technically not depending on choices. And at the same time the description says that she can't rely on anyone.

Though I suppose this could also be what she initially feels as well. In her head she's an outcast and can't rely on anyone, even though that's not really the case. Even so though, I feel like after A New Path, that outlook, should change. Though maybe that's asking too much and looking too deep into her class description. 

[Mr.House]

MasterSamson88 wrote...
No, I pretty much totally agree with you on that. 

It is just sort of sad that the specialization is called outcast, when she's technically not depending on choices. And at the same time the description says that she can't rely on anyone.

Though I suppose this could also be what she initially feels as well. In her head she's an outcast and can't rely on anyone, even though that's not really the case. Even so though, I feel like after A New Path, that outlook, should change. Though maybe that's asking too much and looking too deep into her class description. 

XD I am aint I?

Tho at first she is very upset at Hawke, cals Hawke a shem and will even kick Hawke out of her house. The rival path was very well done because what Hawke is trying to do. Hawke is taking a huge risk in there friendship by trying to protect and divert Merrill from this path. Merrill relises this later which is good. So you are right about her feeling like such at first.

[MasterSamson88]

Mr.House wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...
No, I pretty much totally agree with you on that. 

It is just sort of sad that the specialization is called outcast, when she's technically not depending on choices. And at the same time the description says that she can't rely on anyone.

Though I suppose this could also be what she initially feels as well. In her head she's an outcast and can't rely on anyone, even though that's not really the case. Even so though, I feel like after A New Path, that outlook, should change. Though maybe that's asking too much and looking too deep into her class description. 

XD I am aint I?

Tho at first she is very upset at Hawke, cals Hawke a shem and will even kick Hawke out of her house. The rival path was very well done because what Hawke is trying to do. Hawke is taking a huge risk in there friendship by trying to protect and divert Merrill from this path. Merrill relises this later which is good. So you are right about her feeling like such at first.

Really both paths are just... so well written I think. 

It makes it so that you can really believe in Merrill either way. Both in the friend direction and the rival direction. Both have their merits depending on what you believe, and both equally have enough pull to put you in either direction. Really it seems like neither is right per say, but both are great.

It's this really crazy conflicting thing since they both work in different ways.

And now Mary Kirby is rubbing her hands together menacingly at her computer.  Just as planned eh?

[Emperor Iaius I]

If so say so. Like I've been saying, some of us aren't so conflicted.

I might, *might* try the rival path at some point but I really don't know if I could bear it. Having her get upset would be awful, especially over something on which we're in agreement.

Far better to just enslave an elf in front of Fenris, deal with a demon in front of Anders, help apostates in front of Sebastian, be a decent person in front of Isabela, etc.

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 18 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[MasterSamson88]

I mostly feel I can go either way now, since neither is necessarily "better". It really just depends on how you perceive things rather.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Well, sure, there's always the freedom to choose the wrong interpretation. I mean, I hear that some people think Andraste was a hero. Crazy talk!

[Kilshrek]

Going down the rival path with Merrill sounds like kicking a wet puppy. Perhaps not to the same end effect, but certainly the immediate ones.

But a question here, does her banter/ambient talk change going down the rival path?

[Tigerking]

Looking up how exactly blood magic works, it seems entirely possible for Merrill to continue practicing blood magic at no (demonic, anyway) risk. The demon only comes into the picture to teach blood magic, and the demon who taught Merrill is dead/destroyed/whatever. Now that it's out of the way, Merrill is in no more danger than any other mage, and now has the blood magic powers to fight off any of those demons. It could work.

Modifié par Tigerking, 18 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[Bruddajakka]

One thing that really bothered me about some if the party as a Blood Mage Hawke is how their ragging on her about it but no body ever mention that Hawkes a blood Mage or you can't tell them to knock it off.

[Matterialize]

Tigerking wrote...

Looking up how exactly blood magic works, it seems entirely possible for Merrill to continue practicing blood magic at no (demonic, anyway) risk.

I agree. I've always felt that blood magic isn't inherently evil, it's just another energy source for casting spells. And sure, mind control is bad, but burning people alive with fireballs isn't?

I'm not worried that she'll ever become a bad blood mage. She's a very kind person and has never expressed interest in raising the dead or any of the other nasty things blood mages are known for (in fact, during the Act of Mercy quest she'll note how horrifying it is that the mages have animated some corpses to defend themselves)

[LoserToaster]

Bruddajakka wrote...

One thing that really bothered me about some if the party as a Blood Mage Hawke is how their ragging on her about it but no body ever mention that Hawkes a blood Mage or you can't tell them to knock it off.

I'm playing through as a blood mage right now, and this is a little odd. I just posessed somebody and stabbed myself with a staff, and they're over there whining that there might be blood mages in the city somewhere.

[Ulathar]

LoserToaster wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

One thing that really bothered me about some if the party as a Blood Mage Hawke is how their ragging on her about it but no body ever mention that Hawkes a blood Mage or you can't tell them to knock it off.

I'm playing through as a blood mage right now, and this is a little odd. I just posessed somebody and stabbed myself with a staff, and they're over there whining that there might be blood mages in the city somewhere.

Yeah, I didn't like that in my Blood Mage pt. I tell myself Hawke uses mind-control/memory erase or something like that after figths. I mean, it's magic, everything's possible

[Marcin K]

Lord Atlia wrote...

The friendship romance/path for Merrill is supporting her in her efforts with both the mirror and her dark arts, that is why the friendship ability is more potent blood magic.

well i have gone full friendship romance but i have kept Merrill's magic on the leash all the time [yes-Merril was selected all the time not Hawke! shocked?] and all blood magic on the tree i've intentionally kept greyed-locked-out] well maybe except the torment hex -but that's it 
and if in future DLC's Merrill will be forced to use blood magic i hope there will be option for Hawke to let Merrill use his blood instead of her own [yes love is a sacrifice to protect the loved ones] and that is why i ket Aveline bodyguard mode on Merrill all the time btw