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**Spoilers**

Something in the magazine probably talked about her being cast out... my German and Russian are both horrible but they seem to suggest that she's like a pariah (outcast) from the clan now, the translation was a little messed up and I couldn't really understand whether they were talking about her or one of her spells.... 

This may be similar to Velanna's story but she may be cast out for a different reason entirely, or maybe it's another mistake in the article... I hope it's not true though.

**Spoilers**

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RagingCyclone wrote...

Ressalka, not in my case, loved the dwarf romances. Just seems odd that Merrill, who's face has grown on me, is so disproportoinate, where as the male elf is not? I am not looking at her height but the fact that she is two breasts, a head, and two sticks for arms. But the males are normally proportioned. Maybe it's because I am older, but does this seem normal? Really? Outside of Hollywood and a plastic surgeon's office where do you see this?


You might want to check this out.

Gah it must be the fifth time I link that post.

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shepard_lives wrote...

rak72 wrote...

It's a little kid's body with Pamela Anderson Bewbs. This may be an anomaly in nature here and there, but come on, every character. This is the outfit the character is going be wearing the entire game, so if the outfit makes the look like that ... well.
And Gehyna - just because I like her Camen slap.



Gaider said it's a wonky screencap. Her bongos are actually a fair bit smaller.


she's a b-cup i believe that's what gaider said. 


David Gaider wrote...

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And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we still have no confirmation on her being an actual love interest. Did that change?


Nope.

If not, should we entirely remove young characters from video games? Or is it merely the combination of a young woman with an above average sized bosom that's outrageous?


To some, possibly. It's an interesting angle they've got in that shot, considering that Merrill is a B-cup at best (if you want to get technical about it). Her outfit is baggy in the front, so it simply looks that way (and it does, I see what you're seeing from that particular shot).

As for her looking tiny, I assume that's also the angle. She's not much smaller than an average human, to be honest. She is thin, though-- all elves have very slender body types (to go back to the art team's intention to give the races more distinct silhouettes).

One assumes that as we release more information, people will get a better impression. It's hard to judge something (particularly a whole race) based on a single screenshot (Carver, anyone?). But in the meantime, it's fun to speculate away. Feel free. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]



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shepard_lives wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


Perhaps the friendship path is agreeing that the Dalish need to live separately from humans while the rivalry path is to convince her that the Dalish and humans can live together peacefully.


That'd be awesome. Heated discussions about PEACEFULLY LIVING TOGETHER!


THERE WILL BE HOUSE WARMING PARTIES!


I BROUGHT CAKE GODDAMNIT *punches Merrill*

Carver: MOOOOM! Garret doesn't want to share the cake!!
Leandra: Now boy, what did I tell about sharing?
Garret: ...Taddle tale...

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shepard_lives wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

Ressalka, not in my case, loved the dwarf romances. Just seems odd that Merrill, who's face has grown on me, is so disproportoinate, where as the male elf is not? I am not looking at her height but the fact that she is two breasts, a head, and two sticks for arms. But the males are normally proportioned. Maybe it's because I am older, but does this seem normal? Really? Outside of Hollywood and a plastic surgeon's office where do you see this?


You might want to check this out.

Gah it must be the fifth time I link that post.


Yep, read that and it basically says nothing. Backpeddling is the word that comes to mind. Ah, maybe I'll just head back to the boardroom.

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Risax wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


Perhaps the friendship path is agreeing that the Dalish need to live separately from humans while the rivalry path is to convince her that the Dalish and humans can live together peacefully.


That'd be awesome. Heated discussions about PEACEFULLY LIVING TOGETHER!


THERE WILL BE HOUSE WARMING PARTIES!


I BROUGHT CAKE GODDAMNIT *punches Merrill*

Carver: MOOOOM! Garret doesn't want to share the cake!!
Leandra: Now boy, what did I tell about sharing?
Garret: ...Taddle tale...



i really feel strange whenever i see mama hawke's name:P
if only because my name is leandro

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What do dwarf romances have to do with Merrill, anyway?

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I wonder if the people who opposed dwarven romance options because they ares upposedly too short and child-like are the same who dislike Merrill for her youthful appearance?

I was quite a fan of Alistair-femAeducan myself.  It cheesed me off when YouTube commenters would talk about the great mod scenes as pedo fetish whatever.

But, dwarves actually have womanly bodies, just smaller.  This shot of Merrill just looks so strange, and I'm having a hard time adjusting the idea of DA elves to make them mentally more like Zelda.  Fenris looking fairly normal and Origins-like threw me off and I started to hope the elf redesign would be subtle.  I hope that's actually the case and we're just seeing a bad shot.  Here's hoping the rest of the Dalish are 100% high-octane badass.

The "elf in my pocket, I want to screw her" type of commentary does creep me out, I won't lie.

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Whats up with Dragon Age 2 and UGLY scarfs anyway ... Bethany got one, this kiddo got one ... whos next? are we getting scarf slot on our paperdoll inventory?

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shepard_lives wrote...

You want elves to look similar to humans? I'm not sure I understand.

Short answer, yes, yes I do.

Or rather, I want them to look like they did in Origins.
 
Long answer: I get that the art team wanted to make their elves unique from an artistic point of view. But what I really liked about the elves in Origins was that they felt and looked human in the sense that they didn't feel 'fantasy', if you catch my drift. They didn't feel like the 'magical wood-elves' that have been bastardised by various fantasy themed works over the decades. Don't get me wrong, there have been good version of elves running around since Tolkien, but I really liked the fresh take Bioware took with their elves. Dirty them up, make them slightly human in appearance without loosing the pointed ears and slim build. That was a great move in my opinion. I just think it was a great way to make the elves accessible and relatable. I never much care for the standard elves, magically in touch with nature, immortal and otherworldly. I enjoyed the 'flawed' and 'human' elves from Origins far more. I'm not saying they will shy away from the culture and such that they established in Origins, because that would really be a step backwards. However, I feel that this redesign to make the elves more fantasy-inspired takes away from the elves I learned to love in Origins.

I guess it all comes down to what you like. Some like WoW type elves (a far extreme example, I know) with alien features, slanting ears, big eyes etc... being a very different race than humans. Others, like me, like their elves with only slightly pointed ears and looking close to what humans look like, perhaps only with a slightly thinner/smaller build.

Just saying, I want my 'knife ears', not some slanting puppy ears. ;)

But, to each their own.

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shepard_lives wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


Perhaps the friendship path is agreeing that the Dalish need to live separately from humans while the rivalry path is to convince her that the Dalish and humans can live together peacefully.


That'd be awesome. Heated discussions about PEACEFULLY LIVING TOGETHER!


Merrill: Humans destroyed the original elven nation and then the Dales. We're hunted to this day. I'm not saying all humans are aggressive, but my people will never survive if we rely on human good will. The Dalish must remain an isolated and self-sustaining people.
Hawke: *slams fist on table* NO! HUMANS ARE AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD BE OUR BUDDIES. YOU DO WHAT I TELL YOU STUPID, SILLY JELLYFISH KNIFE-EAR!
Merrill: A compelling argument. And yet, I'm not convinced.

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RagingCyclone wrote...

Yep, read that and it basically says nothing. Backpeddling is the word that comes to mind. Ah, maybe I'll just head back to the boardroom.


No, it says they're not that big.

Listen, the vitriol over Merrill's bust is nothing compared to the venom they got over Bethany's and Isabela's. They could have backpedaled there and told us it was the angle, but they didn't (although it's possible that Mike Laidlaw saying that it could be a Varric exaggeration is a newer addition that only came after all the b*tching and moaning, but, personally, one I don't mind).

It does seem to me that it's not her chest that sticks out, but the armor/shirt she's wearing. I'll wait until I see another angle.

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RagingCyclone wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

Ressalka, not in my case, loved the dwarf romances. Just seems odd that Merrill, who's face has grown on me, is so disproportoinate, where as the male elf is not? I am not looking at her height but the fact that she is two breasts, a head, and two sticks for arms. But the males are normally proportioned. Maybe it's because I am older, but does this seem normal? Really? Outside of Hollywood and a plastic surgeon's office where do you see this?


You might want to check this out.

Gah it must be the fifth time I link that post.


Yep, read that and it basically says nothing. Backpeddling is the word that comes to mind. Ah, maybe I'll just head back to the boardroom.


I really just wish you had written LIES! ALL LIES!
Care to explain why Gaider would choose this particular instance to start lying to us?

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prettier face in origins imo



http://images1.wikia.../Dalish_elf.jpg

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LJScribes wrote...

prettier face in origins imo

http://images1.wikia.../Dalish_elf.jpg


I didn't like the make up and hair in Origins but I liked the face. This one is similar enough though.

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I get sort of a Starfire from Cartoon Network's Teen Titans vibe from her.



If she's anything like her...well, needless to say I'll be smitten from the get-go.

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Guys can anyone make out the color of her eyes? light brown is it? I can't quite discern it.

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Slidell505 wrote...

LJScribes wrote...

prettier face in origins imo

http://images1.wikia.../Dalish_elf.jpg


I didn't like the make up and hair in Origins but I liked the face. This one is similar enough though.


I agree with this...as in I did not like her hair( that's more to do with the generic hair styles that were in origins I can only hope there are more/better in DA 2 though Merrill oviously did not recieve this change...) or the makeup...especially the lipstick.

I have said before I will reserve judgement on the physical appearance UNTIL we get a character reveal/update on the DA 2 website..

@ Vi : In origins, she seems to have blue eyes to me...but here in DA 2, i think brown or light brown is right guess for atleast until we get better/ higher quality screen shots.
 

Modifié par raziel3080, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .


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ViSeirA wrote...

Guys can anyone make out the color of her eyes? light brown is it? I can't quite discern it.


Similar to Morrigans but lighter and more brown. A lite golden brown would be a better way of putting it.

Modifié par Slidell505, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:22 .


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shepard_lives wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

Ressalka, not in my case, loved the dwarf romances. Just seems odd that Merrill, who's face has grown on me, is so disproportoinate, where as the male elf is not? I am not looking at her height but the fact that she is two breasts, a head, and two sticks for arms. But the males are normally proportioned. Maybe it's because I am older, but does this seem normal? Really? Outside of Hollywood and a plastic surgeon's office where do you see this?


You might want to check this out.

Gah it must be the fifth time I link that post.

OHMAIGAD how did you make it so ONLY the posts that are posted by the dev's appeared ?

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Click the Bioware icon under the appropriate thread.

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We should take the location/environment/time of day and the angle of the shot (look at her staff for instance; that clearly shows that it is the angle of the shot because the staff is oversized.) into consideration here.

Yes, Fenris does look "GOOD and proportional." So, until we have better screenshots and more than a few seconds, I cannot really comment on her looks and be fair.

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Eskarne wrote...

Click the Bioware icon under the appropriate thread.

Thanks, now I won't have to surf through 150 pages to find something that a dev wrote in a thread.

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SandyWB wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

You want elves to look similar to humans? I'm not sure I understand.

Short answer, yes, yes I do.

Or rather, I want them to look like they did in Origins.
 
Long answer: I get that the art team wanted to make their elves unique from an artistic point of view. But what I really liked about the elves in Origins was that they felt and looked human in the sense that they didn't feel 'fantasy', if you catch my drift. They didn't feel like the 'magical wood-elves' that have been bastardised by various fantasy themed works over the decades. Don't get me wrong, there have been good version of elves running around since Tolkien, but I really liked the fresh take Bioware took with their elves. Dirty them up, make them slightly human in appearance without loosing the pointed ears and slim build. That was a great move in my opinion. I just think it was a great way to make the elves accessible and relatable. I never much care for the standard elves, magically in touch with nature, immortal and otherworldly. I enjoyed the 'flawed' and 'human' elves from Origins far more. I'm not saying they will shy away from the culture and such that they established in Origins, because that would really be a step backwards. However, I feel that this redesign to make the elves more fantasy-inspired takes away from the elves I learned to love in Origins.

I guess it all comes down to what you like. Some like WoW type elves (a far extreme example, I know) with alien features, slanting ears, big eyes etc... being a very different race than humans. Others, like me, like their elves with only slightly pointed ears and looking close to what humans look like, perhaps only with a slightly thinner/smaller build.

Just saying, I want my 'knife ears', not some slanting puppy ears. ;)

But, to each their own.


I agree to each thier own, but, in this case, I feel confused from the opposite end of the spectrum. Now, I will say that, just as you yourself did, I enjoyed Origins because it introduced us to a "Fantasy" Realm more akin to R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire universe then, say, Tolkiens. The world felt "lived in" and flawed, for want of better terms. And it worked beautifully. However, "Real" doesn't mean that *Other Races* need to look more Human then non-Human. In the DA Lore, the Daelish Elves, or rather the Elves of Arlathan, *were* a race more in touch with nature and Magic associated with the Earth, with facets to thier culture and beliefs very similar to the traditional dipictions of Elves in, for example, the Forgotten Realms series.

And, forgive me, but, that is what Elves are supposed to be like. More deeply connected to the natural world, reflecting thier Woodland ancestry in thier appearence. A humanoid species which has evolved almost exclussively among Forests and associated enviornments are not going to have the same appearence as Humans who would have evolved to find multiple habitation areas accomidating for the sake of farming, fishing, etc.

As I said, I love the fact that the Elves of Dragon Age have *some* level of nature based Mystisism to them, with even the City Elves trying to maintain some measure of that in the Alienages with thier Trees, but said Mystisism does not mean thier perfect. They're as flawed as Humans, possibly to a lesser extent, but they should not *look* too human. Instead of Elves it sounds more like you want Vulcans. Sorry, but, with all due respect, you're looking in the wrong Universe.

What BioWare has done is attempt to redefine the Fantasy Genre in gaming, and I think they achieved that. Now, with the graphical advancements and a deeper understanding of the kind of world they want to create they can further build upon that goal by reintroducing the Elven Race and giving them a look all thier own. I think it's a huge plus. Again, if I want Elves to look like Tolkien rip offs, i.e. Vulcans, I will look to the aforementioned media. However, I want my "real" fantasy realm to have at leach a touch of actual "Fantasy" elements to it. 
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