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[mesmerizedish]

Somebody wrote...

And ishmaeltheforsaken, when does the Chantry use blood magic?

Phylacteries, which the templars use to hunt down mages that escape from the Circle, are blood magic.

[Malevolence65]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote..
Such as?

Merrill: Ser Pounce-a-lot... who knighted him?
Anders: Is that a serious question?
Merrill: Did he have a little sword, or just his claws? I bet he had a dashing cap with a feather in it!
Anders: Would you stop making fun of my cat?
Merrill: Oh... no hat, then?

On another note, I want this fanfic to be updated soon. The writer said he would update it "tomorrow" a week ago. I know how things can be, though, I'm not criticizing him/her.
http://www.fanfictio...825582/3/Pariah

Modifié par Malevolence65, 27 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

The lore is inconsistent. You're supposed to have to learn it from somebody, but now we have mages just discovering it. Chalk it up to the thin veil and demons whispering to them (after all, they do turn into abominations fairly quickly).

So in general, yes, you need to learn it.

edit: That fanfic is . . . not so good. I'd write a Merrill one (and want to) but elves, GRRR. Need to return to my roots.

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 27 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[Kealvis1]

hey ho

[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Somebody wrote...

And ishmaeltheforsaken, when does the Chantry use blood magic?

Phylacteries, which the templars use to hunt down mages that escape from the Circle, are blood magic.

Oh that. Well all they use it for is to search for mages, but I see what you mean. 

[_Somebody]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

The lore is inconsistent. You're supposed to have to learn it from somebody, but now we have mages just discovering it. Chalk it up to the thin veil and demons whispering to them (after all, they do turn into abominations fairly quickly).

So in general, yes, you need to learn it.

I was confused by that. Anders says to use it you must make a deal with a demon, but I thought blood magic was basically just using the power of blood to "fuel" your magic, rather then lyrium. 

[mesmerizedish]

Malevolence65 wrote...

Merrill: Ser Pounce-a-lot... who knighted him?
Anders: Is that a serious question?
Merrill: Did he have a little sword, or just his claws? I bet he had a dashing cap with a feather in it!
Anders: Would you stop making fun of my cat?
Merrill: Oh... no hat, then?

One of two things is going on there: either Merrill is making fun of Anders's cat, or she doesn't understand. In the case of the former, I think you've selected the only example of Merrill being funny on purpose In the case of the latter, it goes back to her situation, which was my original point.

Somebody wrote...

Oh that. Well all they use it for is to search for mages, but I see what you mean.

Having Gascond use blood magic to help find your mother is the exact same thing.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 27 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[Maria Caliban]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

The lore is inconsistent.

I disagree.

Seems like I'm doing that with everyone. Depressing.

Leaving now.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

The lore is inconsistent.

I disagree.

Seems like I'm doing that with everyone. Depressing.

Leaving now.

I like it when we disagree... it makes for a nice change of pace

[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Oh that. Well all they use it for is to search for mages, but I see what you mean.

Having Gascond use blood magic to help find your mother is the exact same thing.

I think its a little different. He was able to find that woman really quick. With Phylacteries, you have to be in the general area or something. 

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 01:13 .

[Malevolence65]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
 In the case of the latter, it goes back to her situation, which was my original point.

I don't think so. Just because she's a Dalish Elf cut off from the world doesn't mean she'll actually think that kitties are knighted and go into battle with feather caps on. She's just unrealistically silly, which is fine with me.

[mesmerizedish]

Malevolence65 wrote...

I don't think so. Just because she's a Dalish Elf cut off from the world doesn't mean she'll actually think that kitties are knighted and go into battle with feather caps on. She's just unrealistically silly, which is fine with me.

I don't think she actually thinks that either I just think that the humor and cuteness of Anders and his cat isn't something she immediately grasps.

[Malevolence65]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

The lore is inconsistent.

I disagree.

Seems like I'm doing that with everyone. Depressing.

Leaving now.

I'd say that the lore is inconsistent in many areas, the most glaring example being the whole teleportation issue. The codex mentions that it's impossible to teleport even small distances, but you have weak mages in DA2 doing just that. Gascard even teleports your entire party and himself a distance that is probably miles.

[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

I don't think so. Just because she's a Dalish Elf cut off from the world doesn't mean she'll actually think that kitties are knighted and go into battle with feather caps on. She's just unrealistically silly, which is fine with me.

I don't think she actually thinks that either I just think that the humor and cuteness of Anders and his cat isn't something she immediately grasps.

How about her baby griffon pet? I liked the way she says "I'd name mine, Feathers".

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[TMA LIVE]

Somebody wrote...

Must one consort with a demon to use blood magic? Like do you need to make a deal with a demon to use it?

Or can you just slit your wrist, and use the blood as if it were lyrium? 

I don't think so, but doesn't Merrill say "The spirit helped" when she used her bloodmagic? That's what I'm confused about.

Also, I'm still kind of confused with how demon possession works in DA. It seems they want a host, yet some can be in physical world without one. So why do they need a host? And some think that a demon can be battled and killed in the real world to avoid possession. Example, some believe that if the Pride demon came through the mirror, Merrill could just fire ball it dead, and that's it. Or if they summoned the demon during Act 3, if it didn't play nice, Hawke and Merrill could just kill it without getting possessed. But I'm not sure if it works like that. I think some can't be killed unless they possess something first. Until then, they're just a spirit that can't be touched.

So I wondering, how does someone avoid getting possessed? How exactly can it actually happen? And how does being a Bloodmage put you more at risk? How is being a mage putting you at risk, etc.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 mars 2011 - 01:22 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

The lore is inconsistent.

I disagree.

Seems like I'm doing that with everyone. Depressing.

Leaving now.

Well, like I said, it can be resolved in a way so as to be consistent (the thinness of the Fade at Kirkwall).

TMA: The easiest way for a demon to get out of the Fade is by possessing somebody, usually through dreams but sometimes just when mages are in the Fade. However, if the Veil is thin--or if they're summoned--there's no need to possess somebody, they're already in the real world.

However, they might still possess things because demons apparently hunger for senses and feelings and things.

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 27 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[DoNotIngest]

Somebody wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

I don't think so. Just because she's a Dalish Elf cut off from the world doesn't mean she'll actually think that kitties are knighted and go into battle with feather caps on. She's just unrealistically silly, which is fine with me.

I don't think she actually thinks that either I just think that the humor and cuteness of Anders and his cat isn't something she immediately grasps.

How about her baby griffon pet? I liked the way she says "I'd name mine, Feathers".

You have to admit, it's a pretty good name. I think she was being completely honest, and considering Bethany and her question, that fits well with me.

[Emperor Iaius I]

She's culturally unaware, but she's not stupid. I think she gets what Anders is doing--and the whole Griffon name confirms it for me.

I mean, I named my mabari in DA:O "Ser Fluffington" when I did the human noble origin.

[tmp7704]

TMA LIVE wrote...

And some think that a demon can be battled and killed in the real world to avoid possession. Example, some believe that if the Pride demon came through the mirror, Merrill could just fire ball it dead, and that's it.

The demon would most likely tell Merrill allowing it to possess her is necessary part of fixing the mirror, and Merrill being Merrill would most likely agree to that. It's why she tells Hawke she needs him/her to be there to kill her "if things go wrong".

[_Somebody]

tmp7704 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

And some think that a demon can be battled and killed in the real world to avoid possession. Example, some believe that if the Pride demon came through the mirror, Merrill could just fire ball it dead, and that's it.

The demon would most likely tell Merrill allowing it to possess her is necessary part of fixing the mirror, and Merrill being Merrill would most likely agree to that. It's why she tells Hawke she needs him/her to be there to kill her "if things go wrong".

She seemed to trust it, but I dont think she would be that stupid. She thinks what Anders did with Justice was wrong, so I cant see her willingly allow a Pride demon to possess her. And she tells you to kill her if that happens in her quest.

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 01:32 .

[Malevolence65]

tmp7704 wrote...
and Merrill being Merrill would most likely agree to that

I don't think that she would.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Yeah, she's pretty clear that allowing yourself to be possessed is stupid. She wants Hawke in case she gets overpowered, but she's trained to avoid that sort of thing.

[tmp7704]

Malevolence65 wrote...

I don't think that she would.

She sure agrees with the concept quickly while in the Fade.

[DoNotIngest]

Somebody wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

And some think that a demon can be battled and killed in the real world to avoid possession. Example, some believe that if the Pride demon came through the mirror, Merrill could just fire ball it dead, and that's it.

The demon would most likely tell Merrill allowing it to possess her is necessary part of fixing the mirror, and Merrill being Merrill would most likely agree to that. It's why she tells Hawke she needs him/her to be there to kill her "if things go wrong".

She seemed to trust it, but I dont think she would be that stupid. She thinks what Anders did with Justice was wrong, so I cant see her letting a Pride demon into herself.

Deffinately can't see Merrill willingly being possessed. She states all spirits are dangerous, she obviously knows what they want above all is possession.

[Emperor Iaius I]

That's not letting HER be possessed. That's letting the demon have its way with Feynriel.