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[_Somebody]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I can't do it. Giving her rivalry and telling her not to fix the mirror just breaks my heart. I'm not capable of that sort of evil.

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end. But considering your view of blood magic, I think the friendship suits you fine.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Somebody wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I can't do it. Giving her rivalry and telling her not to fix the mirror just breaks my heart. I'm not capable of that sort of evil.

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end. But considering your view of blood magic, I think the friendship suits you fine.

I've got a really simple way around that.
One Hawke is all "no dear demons are bad" and "No I don't think you should fix your murder mirror"
The other is all "Blood Magic? Murder mirror? Obssessive determination? She loves me? We'll be in our bunk":wub:

[_Somebody]

I honestly dont know which path I'll go for in my "canon" run. Originally I thought the rivalmance was mean, but it was actually good. I also liked the friendship romance. I guess I'll just have to see.

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 07:01 .

[Zjarcal]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
I know that whatever character I consider my "canon" character will always friendmance Merrill, because I OOC think she's right. I... don't know what character will do her rivalry path, but I'll do it eventually.

I'm still torn on whether I want the friendmance or rivalmance as my canon. I did the friendmance on my first run and since I lack patience (), I used the console to turn her into a rival and see the rivalmance... 

Jeez, why did they have to make the rivalmance so damn satisfying! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

I'm still torn because even though the mirror is dangerous business no doubt, part of me feels it's a complete waste to just abandon it. Also, I love that she's a blood mage, so I wouldn't want her abandoing blood magic altogether either. But I do think that the girl needs some tough love to open her eyes a bit, and the rivalmance is perfect for that. Not to mention that those rivalmance scenes are awesome, especially when she comes home to apologize... <3

With Hawke looking out for her at all times should she continue studying the mirror, she would be somewhat safe but... I'm still afraid for what she could be getting herself into. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Zjarcal wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
I know that whatever character I consider my "canon" character will always friendmance Merrill, because I OOC think she's right. I... don't know what character will do her rivalry path, but I'll do it eventually.

I'm still torn on whether I want the friendmance or rivalmance as my canon. I did the friendmance on my first run and since I lack patience (), I used the console to turn her into a rival and see the rivalmance... 

Jeez, why did they have to make the rivalmance so damn satisfying! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

I'm still torn because even though the mirror is dangerous business no doubt, part of me feels it's a complete waste to just abandon it. Also, I love that she's a blood mage, so I wouldn't want her abandoing blood magic altogether either. But I do think that the girl needs some tough love to open her eyes a bit, and the rivalmance is perfect for that. Not to mention that those rivalmance scenes are awesome, especially when she comes home to apologize... <3

With Hawke looking out for her at all times should she continue studying the mirror, she would be somewhat safe but... I'm still afraid for what she could be getting herself into. 

I've got more than one "canon" run which very neatly handles problems of different choices...So far I've got 3 of them.

[Malevolence65]

My Hawke supports her trying to get some of her race's ancient culture back, but he cares for her too much to risk the chance of her becoming an abomination or being killed by a demon, or even something as minor as becoming completely obsessed with the mirror.

[kreite]

Ok this has probably been asked many times, but I'm a lazy sod so I don't have the will to look over the thread. What is the "morally right" thing to do with merril.

I want to friendship romance her just so you know.

[Zjarcal]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I've got more than one "canon" run which very neatly handles problems of different choices...So far I've got 3 of them.

But I can't do that... 

Curse me and my desire for having a single canon run... <_<

And just because...

http://cloud.steampo...30C5B76F992901/

[Malevolence65]

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

[Zjarcal]

kreite wrote...

Ok this has probably been asked many times, but I'm a lazy sod so I don't have the will to look over the thread. What is the "morally right" thing to do with merril.

I want to friendship romance her just so you know.

Eh, that would depend on what you consider "morally right"... that sort of thing varies a lot depending on who you ask. 

[Marcin K]

friendly Merrill

[_Somebody]

Zjarcal wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I've got more than one "canon" run which very neatly handles problems of different choices...So far I've got 3 of them.

But I can't do that... 

Curse me and my desire for having a single canon run... <_<

Im the same way. I only have one "canon" Warden, and the same will go for Hawke. 

[Big_Chief]

I'll add that I'm also unsure of which one to make my official run, because in general I'm interested in the mirror and support finding out more about the lost elves. Honestly, you could make a case for either side. Though considering her last effort to fix the mirror involves deliberately being possessed by a demon, I'm leaning towards rivalry.

And Zjarcal that picture is...absurdly adorable. I can't take it, it's like cuteness overload or something.

[jlb524]

Malevolence65 wrote...

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

I think it still depends on Hawke's morals.  For mine, it's the rival path. 

My Hawke is also a mage sympathizer, just so you know, so doesn't go the rival path just b/c she thinks mages need to be controlled and watched...she doesn't.  My Hawke is just worried about Merrill's approach to fixing the mirror.

[DoNotIngest]

Malevolence65 wrote...

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

Now, now, that's just asking for an argument. I'll just say "I disagree". To whomever asked, it's up to you which way to go. Although, I've gotten 100% friendship by the end of Act 1, so maybe you can Friendmance her and during act 2 and 3 not give her the tool and make her break the mirror? That would be interesting.

[mesmerizedish]

kreite wrote...

Ok this has probably been asked many times, but I'm a lazy sod so I don't have the will to look over the thread. What is the "morally right" thing to do with merril.

I want to friendship romance her just so you know.

It's all morally grey. It totally depends on your character's PoV.

[kreite]

Zjarcal wrote...

kreite wrote...

Ok this has probably been asked many times, but I'm a lazy sod so I don't have the will to look over the thread. What is the "morally right" thing to do with merril.

I want to friendship romance her just so you know.

Eh, that would depend on what you consider "morally right"... that sort of thing varies a lot depending on who you ask. 

ok, I'm fine with the whole blood magic thing but I'm a little worried about the mirror, what exactly is the danger there? I mean I thought that the one in origins only did the whole flashy light kill-Tamlien thing because it was corrupted by darkspawn.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Somebody wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I can't do it. Giving her rivalry and telling her not to fix the mirror just breaks my heart. I'm not capable of that sort of evil.

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end. But considering your view of blood magic, I think the friendship suits you fine.

That's not evidence of anything, though. Every character, at 100% rivalry, admits they were wrong but doesn't do so at 100% friendship.

Malevolence65 wrote...

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

You are absolutely correct: it cannot be argued that the rivalry path is the "morally right thing." Thank you for this concession. I appreciate it.

[_Somebody]

And honestly, my Hawke isnt really all that interested in recreating the old Elvhen glory. I mean I'd support her in trying to find out about the past, but it doesnt do much for me.(Hawke being human and all)  

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Well, obviously. If she didn't care about it, it'd be completely irrelevant, like everything else about the elves.

[_Somebody]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

That's not evidence of anything, though. Every character, at 100% rivalry, admits they were wrong but doesn't do so at 100% friendship.

Thats true. I guess it really just depends on what you think is the right thing to do.

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Well, obviously. If she didn't care about it, it'd be completely irrelevant, like everything else about the elves.

It makes me wonder what happens after DA2. Especially if she destroys the mirror. I wish we got some kind of epilogue like in DAO.

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 07:34 .

[DoNotIngest]

kreite wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

kreite wrote...

Ok this has probably been asked many times, but I'm a lazy sod so I don't have the will to look over the thread. What is the "morally right" thing to do with merril.

I want to friendship romance her just so you know.

Eh, that would depend on what you consider "morally right"... that sort of thing varies a lot depending on who you ask. 

ok, I'm fine with the whole blood magic thing but I'm a little worried about the mirror, what exactly is the danger there? I mean I thought that the one in origins only did the whole flashy light kill-Tamlien thing because it was corrupted by darkspawn.

I'm pretty sure Merrill tells you she's cured the taint with her blood magic, she just needs to repair the mirror's surface (and I suppose magical ability?) after Duncan smashed it. The dangerous part is that she's found a demon who claims he was present during the forging of the mirror, and he'll tell her what she can do to fix it. I have no idea if this puts her at greater risk of possession or not, however [Opinion] it's my opinion and reasoning that she'd only be at risk if she actually let it possess her (which wouldn't bode well for mirror repairing...), so I think that if she handled it in a Merrill-like fashion, she'd be fine, although she might have to fight it (that's what the posse is for). [/Opinion]

[thegrimfandango]

Having played both up to the end of Act 2, I actually prefer the rival relationship with Merrill. At first it did feel strange, I felt like I was being mean, but having the rivalry goal actually helped me with roleplaying (picking a personality and sticking to it, instead of wavering and reverting to my default nice/trollhawke person) and as things developed, it went a long way towards reinforcing that the rivalry path is not a punishment in the same way that 'X disapproves -15' felt like. Managing to have a relationship and Hawke form a bond with a party member that isn't based on agreeing with everyone was great, something I hope is expanded on in future titles.
I'm also a big voiced protagonist fan, not because of the voice itself per se, but the fact that it allows a much greater range of 'acting' on the protagonists part, as opposed to a static behind-the-head shot to cover the fact they're mute.

[Malevolence65]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I can't do it. Giving her rivalry and telling her not to fix the mirror just breaks my heart. I'm not capable of that sort of evil.

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end. But considering your view of blood magic, I think the friendship suits you fine.

That's not evidence of anything, though. Every character, at 100% rivalry, admits they were wrong but doesn't do so at 100% friendship.

Malevolence65 wrote...

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

You are absolutely correct: it cannot be argued that the rivalry path is the "morally right thing." Thank you for this concession. I appreciate it.

Haha, you're so clever.

[kreite]

I'm pretty sure Merrill tells you she's cured the taint with her blood magic, she just needs to repair the mirror's surface (and I suppose magical ability?) after Duncan smashed it. The dangerous part is that she's found a demon who claims he was present during the forging of the mirror, and he'll tell her what she can do to fix it. I have no idea if this puts her at greater risk of possession or not, however [Opinion] it's my opinion and reasoning that she'd only be at risk if she actually let it possess her (which wouldn't bode well for mirror repairing...), so I think that if she handled it in a Merrill-like fashion, she'd be fine, although she might have to fight it (that's what the posse is for). [/Opinion][/quote]

Thank you.