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[jlb524]

kreite wrote...

ok, I'm fine with the whole blood magic thing but I'm a little worried about the mirror, what exactly is the danger there? I mean I thought that the one in origins only did the whole flashy light kill-Tamlien thing because it was corrupted by darkspawn.

There's nothing really wrong with the mirror (un-tainted).  They were used for communication by the elves, and they can also be used as portals.  Morrigan uses one at the end of Witch Hunt, though, she did have a Dalish book on Eluvians that she took before even attempting to use it.  

The only problem is that, with Merrll, there's a pride demon trying to use it as a portal to possess her body.  I think, ultimately, her problem is that she's lacking in some knowledge that Morrigan does have and is flying blind.

[_Somebody]

What happened to that mirror from WH? Shouldnt it still be in that dragonbone waste place?

We should go and get that one for her.

Modifié par Somebody, 27 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[DoNotIngest]

jlb524 wrote...

kreite wrote...

ok, I'm fine with the whole blood magic thing but I'm a little worried about the mirror, what exactly is the danger there? I mean I thought that the one in origins only did the whole flashy light kill-Tamlien thing because it was corrupted by darkspawn.

There's nothing really wrong with the mirror (un-tainted).  They were used for communication by the elves, and they can also be used as portals.  Morrigan uses one at the end of Witch Hunt, though, she did have a Dalish book on Eluvians that she took before even attempting to use it.  

The only problem is that, with Merrll, there's a pride demon trying to use it as a portal to possess her body.  I think, ultimately, her problem is that she's lacking in some knowledge that Morrigan does have and is flying blind.

Considering all anybody knows about Eluvians is that they were used for communication, it's all speculation as to whether the demon could posses her or enter the real world or whatnot using it. However, I'd like to think that, being a pride demon (who's ridiculously prideful), it would think it could easily take Merrill and her friends in a fight, which you prove wrong in the Sundermount cave. Otherwise, it doesn't have any more probability of possessing her than any other demon has of possessing any other mage.

[Emperor Iaius I]

I'm still not sure I believe the demon. It told Marethari that it would jump out and possess Merrill so that Marethari would free the demon. There's no reason to suggest that a demon--bound to the statue, not the mirror (which isn't even there)--could leap out. The mirror is from Ferelden, it has nothing to do with the demon in the statue.

[Zjarcal]

jlb524 wrote...
I think, ultimately, her problem is that she's lacking in some knowledge that Morrigan does have and is flying blind.

This is pretty much it in my view. Morrigan knows very well what she's dealing with, Merrill not so much.

If Hawke is watching over her, things should be fine in theory... but one never knows.

[raziel1980]

Zjarcal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
I think, ultimately, her problem is that she's lacking in some knowledge that Morrigan does have and is flying blind.

This is pretty much it in my view. Morrigan knows very well what she's dealing with, Merrill not so much.

If Hawke is watching over her, things should be fine in theory... but one never knows.

I agree as well...with both points...

@Somebody...if it is still in crpyt...then that would be some interesting DLC for them delve into...

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I'm still not sure I believe the demon. It told Marethari that it would jump out and possess Merrill so that Marethari would free the demon. There's no reason to suggest that a demon--bound to the statue, not the mirror (which isn't even there)--could leap out. The mirror is from Ferelden, it has nothing to do with the demon in the statue.

It made me think that the demon probably just wanted to trade information for freedom from the statue; Being a demon (especially a pride demon), it would probably want freedom into the real world, rather than just the Fade.. This is why I think, with her friends to help, Merrill would have been completely safe from the imprisoned demon, and if she had let it out, she could kill it afterwards. I'm terribly fond of making a deal with a demon, then breaking your word. Seems so right, as they always, unanimously, betray those seeking an even bargain.

I'd stake quite a bit that Marethari could have released the demon from the statue into the real world, especially with the veil so thin. She just couldn't hope to kill it, and didn't want to risk her clan. She mentions Merrill is "So much stronger" than she thought she was. IMO, Marethari didn't trust Merrill's dealings with the demon, and so got the end result of a released and defeated demon, while not only risking setting it loose (if it was too strong for Merrill, it would probably slaughter her clan), but also completely taking the option of getting information from it away, and sacrificing herself in the process.

Anybody else just love backstabbing the greed demon in the Deep Roads?

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 27 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[jlb524]

Somebody wrote...

What happened to that mirror from WH? Shouldnt it still be in that dragonbone waste place?

We should go and get that one for her.

It's still there, but I believe Morrigan mentions it can only be used once as a portal and the Warden is incapable of using it to follow her after she enters.  Though, it may be possible to activate it again with magic, as Morrigan did in the first place.

I think, for Merrill's purposes, the mirror in the Dragonbone wastes would still be useful as she isn't looking to use it like Morrigan did, but simply to study it.  The Warden knows where the mirror is, so they would have to get involved if this mirror was to be found again.

I believe Morrigan will eventually return to this realm and I wonder if she has to appear back through that specific mirror or if any Eluvian would do (or any other type of magica portal)?

[_Somebody]

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

What happened to that mirror from WH? Shouldnt it still be in that dragonbone waste place?

We should go and get that one for her.

It's still there, but I believe Morrigan mentions it can only be used once as a portal and the Warden is incapable of using it to follow her after she enters.  Though, it may be possible to activate it again with magic, as Morrigan did in the first place.

I think, for Merrill's purposes, the mirror in the Dragonbone wastes would still be useful as she isn't looking to use it like Morrigan did, but simply to study it.  The Warden knows where the mirror is, so they would have to get involved if this mirror was to be found again.

I believe Morrigan will eventually return to this realm and I wonder if she has to appear back through that specific mirror or if any Eluvian would do (or any other type of magica portal)?

The Warden could have gone with her though if he romanced Morrigan. The Warden is gone though either way now, so maybe she wont ever be able to find it.

[DoNotIngest]

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

What happened to that mirror from WH? Shouldnt it still be in that dragonbone waste place?

We should go and get that one for her.

It's still there, but I believe Morrigan mentions it can only be used once as a portal and the Warden is incapable of using it to follow her after she enters.  Though, it may be possible to activate it again with magic, as Morrigan did in the first place.

I think, for Merrill's purposes, the mirror in the Dragonbone wastes would still be useful as she isn't looking to use it like Morrigan did, but simply to study it.  The Warden knows where the mirror is, so they would have to get involved if this mirror was to be found again.

I believe Morrigan will eventually return to this realm and I wonder if she has to appear back through that specific mirror or if any Eluvian would do (or any other type of magica portal)?

I can just imagine Merrill sitting in her hovel/mirror workshop staring at her broken Eluvian and the nice looking one Hawke and that friendly Warden helped her get from Ferelden, and suddenly Morrigan steps out. Priceless!

[Marcin K]

Somebody wrote...

And honestly, my Hawke isnt really all that interested in recreating the old Elvhen glory. I mean I'd support her in trying to find out about the past, but it doesnt do much for me.(Hawke being human and all)  

why does it sounds pro-CERBERUS to me i dunno.......
i'd rather say the cross Human-Elves relationships are BETTER than H-H or E-E ones
edit: and with that post i've made my last statement for today -cya all tomorrow

Modifié par Marcin R, 27 mars 2011 - 09:17 .

[Matterialize]

I didn't play WH, but if Morrigan knows a lot about the Eluvian than maybe Flemeth does as well. And not only is Flemeth not lost in mirror-land, she's also respected by the Dalish. In fact, they seem to think she's some sort of goddess. I'm surprised it hasn't occurred to Merrill to ask for her help. What was the title she referred to Flemeth as? Asha-something?

[Big_Chief]

Matterialize wrote...

I didn't play WH, but if Morrigan knows a lot about the Eluvian than maybe Flemeth does as well. And not only is Flemeth not lost in mirror-land, she's also respected by the Dalish. In fact, they seem to think she's some sort of goddess. I'm surprised it hasn't occurred to Merrill to ask for her help. What was the title she referred to Flemeth as? Asha-something?

Asha'bellanar. It means "woman of many years" in elvish, if I recall correctly.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Asha'belannar.

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Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 27 mars 2011 - 09:34 .

[Tigerking]

Matterialize wrote...

I didn't play WH, but if Morrigan knows a lot about the Eluvian than maybe Flemeth does as well. And not only is Flemeth not lost in mirror-land, she's also respected by the Dalish. In fact, they seem to think she's some sort of goddess. I'm surprised it hasn't occurred to Merrill to ask for her help.

Why would Flemeth care about the mirror? How would you go about even summoning her? From what Merrill says about the Dalish legends of Asha'Bellanar, it doesn't seem like she is a particularly compassionate or helpful god.

[Matterialize]

I don't know, man, I just said she probably knows stuff about it.

[DoNotIngest]

Matterialize wrote...

I don't know, man, I just said she probably knows stuff about it.

The longer it is before we see Flemeth again, the better. If it's at least 3 years, I'll be a very happy gamer.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

What happened to that mirror from WH? Shouldnt it still be in that dragonbone waste place?

We should go and get that one for her.

It's still there, but I believe Morrigan mentions it can only be used once as a portal and the Warden is incapable of using it to follow her after she enters.  Though, it may be possible to activate it again with magic, as Morrigan did in the first place.

I think, for Merrill's purposes, the mirror in the Dragonbone wastes would still be useful as she isn't looking to use it like Morrigan did, but simply to study it.  The Warden knows where the mirror is, so they would have to get involved if this mirror was to be found again.

I believe Morrigan will eventually return to this realm and I wonder if she has to appear back through that specific mirror or if any Eluvian would do (or any other type of magica portal)?

A bit of foreshadowing.

[Sunnie]

Not sure if everyone has seen my Merrill themed DA2 launcher, so here it is for those that have not!



It's available in my DA2 project.

[mesmerizedish]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Not sure if everyone has seen my Merrill themed DA2 launcher, so here it is for those that have not!

*picsnipped*

It's available in my DA2 project.

I SUPPORT CUTENESS.

[Tigerking]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Not sure if everyone has seen my Merrill themed DA2 launcher, so here it is for those that have not!

*snip*

It's available in my DA2 project.

Oh, that's awesome. Great job!

[Maria Caliban]

Somebody wrote...

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end.

Don't companions always admit the PC is right in the end?

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Somebody wrote...

She gets over it and admits you are right in the end.

Don't companions always admit the PC is right in the end?

No... sometimes they fight your or leave you.

[raziel1980]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Not sure if everyone has seen my Merrill themed DA2 launcher, so here it is for those that have not!



It's available in my DA2 project.

Awesome Launcher! Very Well Done Indeed! 

piggybacks Ishmael in the support of CUTENESS!

[Maria Caliban]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

The morally right thing to do is definitely the rival path, I don't think it can be argued.

Now, now, that's just asking for an argument. I'll just say "I disagree". To whomever asked, it's up to you which way to go. Although, I've gotten 100% friendship by the end of Act 1, so maybe you can Friendmance her and during act 2 and 3 not give her the tool and make her break the mirror? That would be interesting.

Right now, the resolution of the Merrill quest is based on your friendship or rivalry.