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[_Somebody]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Malevolence65 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Anders... can you come here for a second? Merrill needs your help with something!

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I hate Anders.

Am I the only one here that actually likes him?

Anders from Awakening was ok... that thing in DA2 is not Anders. Andice is a mass murderer, no different than Merideth when it comes down to it. They both killed a lot of people for selfish and petty reasons.

I still liked him, but I didnt agree with that. Still, I let him live to help me.

[MasterSamson88]

I liked Anders, I was kind of sad to see his humor from Awakening gone, but then again with the mission he was on, that'd make me kind of humorless too. Even after what he did I let him live, I sort of understand why he did it even if it was just a tad over the line. Also because Merrill wanted me to. xD

[tmp7704]

LobselVith8 wrote...

And how is waiting for Merrill different than waiting for Marethari to make a deal, exactly?

It's a good question. Sensible answer would be waiting wasn't part of the plan at all, and so the plan was all along what it actually was -- that is, helping Merrill to fix the mirror.

Or tricking the Keeper Marethari was the plan all along, so the only person demonstrating stupidity was the Keeper.

We've just dealt with this. If it's about tricking the Keeper, why not trick her immediately when Merrill started to play with the mirror?

That's a great deal of speculation you're putting forth about Merrill.

Yes, it's a speculation based on her apparent character.

And how is Hawke more experienced with demonology than Merrill?

As you've pointed out yourself, through series of his/her reckless activities Hawke gets to witness multiple deals with demons gone wrong and puts end to them.

Since the Keeper became an abomination and Hawke could kill her, I'm not certain why you think Merrill should have assumed Hawke wouldn't be capable of handling another abomination when he's fought plenty over the years.

That is because Merrill makes this assumption before Hawke kills this kind of abomination. Basing such assumption on Hawke being capable of handling lesser abominations is akin to presuming Hawke could kill Archdemon because he/she was able to kill a handful of other dragons. As, after all, the Archdemon is just a bigger dragon and Hawke has already shown he/she can kill such a creature.

[mesmerizedish]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Anders from Awakening was ok... that thing in DA2 is not Anders. Andice is a mass murderer, no different than Merideth when it comes down to it. They both killed a lot of people for selfish and petty reasons.

While I agree that Anders is a mass murderer and not worthy of my affection (romantic or otherwise), he's not selfish or petty. What he does has nothing to do with him, except that he's a mage. He doesn't personally benefit at all from it. His hope is that all mages will benefit, because it's going to start a war that will end the oppression of the Chantry.

on-topic: umm... Merrill is way nicer than Anders?!?!?!

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 28 mars 2011 - 09:27 .

[tmp7704]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

When the demon in Fade offers her a deal with Feynriel's possession being the price she most certainly doesn't go "wait, that would mean someone other than me is going to die, take me instead."

[Zjarcal]

Sunnie22 wrote...
Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

I wouldn't be so sure really. Perhaps it would require Hawke's influence (and we know how influential Hawke can be in DA2... even making Anders fight alongisde the Templars...).

[Zjarcal]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

When the demon in Fade offers her a deal with Feynriel's possession being the price she most certainly doesn't go "wait, that would mean someone other than me is going to die, take me instead."

This as well...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
on-topic: umm... Merrill is way nicer than Anders?!?!?!

YES! 

Well, they're both nice... but no one can beat Merrill in a "being nice or cute" contest.

[_Somebody]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

I wouldn't be so sure really. Perhaps it would require Hawke's influence (and we know how influential Hawke can be in DA2... even making Anders fight alongisde the Templars...).

You can make Anders fight with the templars?

No way....

[jlb524]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

When the demon in Fade offers her a deal with Feynriel's possession being the price she most certainly doesn't go "wait, that would mean someone other than me is going to die, take me instead."

That was the Fade, though, where she was heavily influenced by the Pride Demon.  I don't think people are quite themselves in it.

[Zjarcal]

Somebody wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...
Don't forget that Merrill doesn't want to hurt anyone, and would rather die herself than see someone else die because of what she is doing or trying yo do. She would most definitly NOT kill another to power some blood magic ritual some demon would require, she would instead sacrifice herself.

I wouldn't be so sure really. Perhaps it would require Hawke's influence (and we know how influential Hawke can be in DA2... even making Anders fight alongisde the Templars...).

You can make Anders fight with the templars?

No way....

http://social.biowar...ex/6758177&lf=8

jlb524 wrote...

That was the Fade, though, where she was heavily influenced by the Pride Demon.  I don't think people are quite themselves in it.

I agree, but it does show where her weaknesses lie.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 28 mars 2011 - 09:33 .

[tmp7704]

jlb524 wrote...

That was the Fade, though, where she was heavily influenced by the Pride Demon.  I don't think people are quite themselves in it.

Yes, but out of all people she is supposed to have training how to resist such influence, being groomed to become a Keeper and all. Instead she doesn't hesitate about the concept itself at all -- she questions whether demon can really do that, but not the nature of the offer. I think that's rather telling.

edit: on the subject of cute the best bit was in the Docks. "I fell off the pier once! The water is deep here..."

Modifié par tmp7704, 28 mars 2011 - 09:38 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Remember that abominations often reflect the desires of the host (see: Anders, see: Connor). The Marebomination stayed around for that reason.

is there a particular reason the demon would have wanted Merrill to the exclusion of everybody else? What would it care?

[Dark-sider77]

tmp7704 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

That was the Fade, though, where she was heavily influenced by the Pride Demon.  I don't think people are quite themselves in it.

Yes, but out of all people she is supposed to have training how to resist such influence, being groomed to become a Keeper and all. Instead she doesn't hesitate about the concept itself at all -- she questions whether demon can really do that, but not the nature of the offer. I think that's rather telling.

edit: on the subject of cute the best bit was in the Docks. "I fell off the pier once! The water is deep here..."

I personally thought her cutest moment was this banter with Bethany:

Merrill: If you could do anything - just anything at all - what would you do?
Bethany: That's easy. Be normal. No magic, just... normal.
Merrill: Really? You wouldn't fly across Thedas or eat a cake the size of Kirkwall? Keep a baby griffon for a pet?
Bethany: Well, now that you say it, the griffon might not be so bad.
Merrill: I'd name mine "Feathers."

[_Somebody]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I like your sig. Is your Hawke now in Tevinter with Merrill and taking Danarius up on his offer? 

[Emperor Iaius I]

Heh. Interesting idea.

It's a reference to that bit in the slaver's den in Fenris's act II quest. If you click on one of the blood donors, he says to Merrill: "the legacy of the magisters. this will be you some day"

It was inspiring. So we have Merrill performing blood magic with Danarius looking on approvingly. I sometimes wonder what things would be like if Merrill and Fenris were switched, or if Danarius trained Merrill (either because she wanted to learn from an expert, or because she surrendered herself in place of Fenris). They would make very interesting story ideas.

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Heh. Interesting idea.

It's a reference to that bit in the slaver's den in Fenris's act II quest. If you click on one of the blood donors, he says to Merrill: "the legacy of the magisters. this will be you some day"

It was inspiring. So we have Merrill performing blood magic with Danarius looking on approvingly. I sometimes wonder what things would be like if Merrill and Fenris were switched, or if Danarius trained Merrill (either because she wanted to learn from an expert, or because she surrendered herself in place of Fenris). They would make very interesting story ideas.

To each their own, but I admire Merrill's selfless reason for blood magic moreso.

[Emperor Iaius I]

More than what? It's not that I don't see that (in fact, I employ that same argument), but that there are interesting permutations too: it's interesting to see how different characters would act in different circumstances.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Just found this line Found if priceless:
Emile: Are you a mage because you just magicked my breath away.
Hawke: You don't have a lot of experience with women do you?
Emile: Can I practice with you then *Giggles* In private?
Merrill: You're tongue is too raspy, you'd probably just drool all over the place.

[mesmerizedish]

Danarius was vile. I wouldn't let Merrill anywhere near him.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Interesting. However I too busy trying to find "Slap Fenris" button during that time to think about something like this. Not that I would let Merrill go all Tevinter. Those sleazy magisters won't get their hands on her so long as I breathe.

[DoNotIngest]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Just found this line Found if priceless:
Emile: Are you a mage because you just magicked my breath away.
Hawke: You don't have a lot of experience with women do you?
Emile: Can I practice with you then *Giggles* In private?
Merrill: You're tongue is too raspy, you'd probably just drool all over the place.

Are there variations of what she says? I'd heard a different (and equally funny) version.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Sleazy! Vile! Must you give in to stereotype and insinuation?

Danarius was so awfully polite. Unlike all the other fetch quests, Danarius actually sends you a letter after you return his waylaid property to him. He invites you to Minrathous and offers a tour of the Arcanist Hall if you ever take him up on it.

He rescues Fenris's sister and offers to make her a magister! Do you think elves have such social mobility in Kirkwall, Ferelden, or Orlais? Ever recall seeing an elf in a position of power there? No, I didn't think so.

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 28 mars 2011 - 11:03 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Just found this line Found if priceless:
Emile: Are you a mage because you just magicked my breath away.
Hawke: You don't have a lot of experience with women do you?
Emile: Can I practice with you then *Giggles* In private?
Merrill: You're tongue is too raspy, you'd probably just drool all over the place.

Are there variations of what she says? I'd heard a different (and equally funny) version.

Your's is probably the correct one.
I didn't remember the exact sentance structure.
So I tried to type it from memory.
But I bet Hawke was thinking "Merrill!...I mean it's true but still!...awww never mind she's too adorable to be mad at"

[DalishRanger]

More WIPs. On page 2 now, though this isn't the whole page:



Surprised!Merrill is fun to draw, though I might tweak her face a bit later.

Edit: I apparently have a knack for making the very last post on a page.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 28 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Sleazy! Vile! Must you give in to stereotype and insinuation?

Danarius was so awfully polite. Unlike all the other fetch quests, Danarius actually sends you a letter after you return his waylaid property to him. He invites you to Minrathous and offers a tour of the Arcanist Hall if you ever take him up on it.

He rescues Fenris's sister and offers to make her a magister! Do you think elves have such social mobility in Kirkwall, Ferelden, or Orlais? Ever recall seeing an elf in a position of power there? No, I didn't think so.

...................................................................I see.
*backs away veeeeeery slowly*