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[Emperor Iaius I]

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

[DoNotIngest]

Somebody wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Somebody wrote...

I think someone made a drawing similar to that a while back. It was pretty good too, anyone seen it?

You mean the one with everybody but Hawke (BOOO!) playing strip poker, with Merrill completely naked with a card shark smirk on her face? There's a link on Page 1

Ah yeah that. That was a good one.

I know right? Anybody know the easiest way I could turn that into a large poster on my wall?

[stormrain]

Blackout62 wrote...

That being said this lengthy discussion over supporting or opposing Merrill's actions has really got me questioning the motivations of my Hawke's rivalmance. Way to go thread.

You're not the only one. This thread gave me the idea that rivalmancing Merrill wasn't a bad thing and then stabbed it in the face.

I'm so conflicted.

EDIT: Boy, this thread moves fast. Also, is this the strip poker everyone's talking about? Nekkid Merrill with a cigar = hilarious.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 29 mars 2011 - 12:21 .

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Doesn't look like she thinks she's an object

[_Somebody]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...

That being said this lengthy discussion over supporting or opposing Merrill's actions has really got me questioning the motivations of my Hawke's rivalmance. Way to go thread.

You're not the only one. This thread gave me the idea that rivalmancing Merrill wasn't a bad thing and then stabbed it in the face.

I'm so conflicted.

Just try it out and see for yourself. Both are well done.

[Emperor Iaius I]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Doesn't look like she thinks she's an object

Hmph. Out of character.

[Torax]

Give the Rival path credit. It does have her challenge you. I did really like the part when she loses control and calls hawke a shemlen. There is the debate about the mirror and all of that and I understand how everyone will not agree whole heartedly. But I think it's an interesting side of it. Despite not fully supporting her on her efforts, Merrill still can't resist where her heart takes her.

[stormrain]

Somebody wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...
That being said this lengthy discussion over supporting or opposing Merrill's actions has really got me questioning the motivations of my Hawke's rivalmance. Way to go thread.

You're not the only one. This thread gave me the idea that rivalmancing Merrill wasn't a bad thing and then stabbed it in the face.

I'm so conflicted.

Just try it out and see for yourself. Both are well done.

I have. I prefered the rivalmance. But the discussion here has made me second guess my decision and think Hawke could be a controlling I-know-what's-best-for-you jerk. I suppose it's all perspective.

@Torax that's a nice way to put it.

[DalishRanger]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...
Hmph. Out of character.

To be fair to Pseudocognition, she drew it before the game came out and before we knew much about Merrill. Plus, it was for the lulz, not intended to be an accurate portrayal of everyone. Except maybe Isabela.

Personally, I find that drawing hilarious due to the out of character humor in it. Plus, I love Pseudo's style and sense of humor in general. This one comes to mind.

[_Somebody]

Torax wrote...

Give the Rival path credit. It does have her challenge you. I did really like the part when she loses control and calls hawke a shemlen. There is the debate about the mirror and all of that and I understand how everyone will not agree whole heartedly. But I think it's an interesting side of it. Despite not fully supporting her on her efforts, Merrill still can't resist where her heart takes her.

For all the Dalish say about how bad humans are, it didnt stop Merrill or Arianni from being with one.

Modifié par Somebody, 29 mars 2011 - 12:18 .

[Torax]

Somebody wrote...

Torax wrote...

Give the Rival path credit. It does have her challenge you. I did really like the part when she loses control and calls hawke a shemlen. There is the debate about the mirror and all of that and I understand how everyone will not agree whole heartedly. But I think it's an interesting side of it. Despite not fully supporting her on her efforts, Merrill still can't resist where her heart takes her.

For all the Dalish say about how bad humans are, it didnt stop Merrill or Arianni for being with one.

The best observation about the dalish in DA2 is Fenris talking to Merrill as he points out how the Dalish think of themselves as superior to basically everyone else. It's actually quite true. Merrill is far more gentler in regards to it. But still comes across at times with it, just in regards to other elves of course.

[Maria Caliban]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I doubt she'd want to make a slave out of someone, drag him everywhere, just to sacrifce him at the right moment. Especially a murderer. Besides, I doubt she'd support such a thing. I mean, she wants Anders to live in order to redeem himself. And he blew up a church, and almost killed someone once (or could/did?).

That Merrill wants to show mercy to someone who she's interacted with for about 6 years isn't surprising. She's sort of taken on Hawke and co as her flat-earred clan.

[Torax]

Maria Caliban wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I doubt she'd want to make a slave out of someone, drag him everywhere, just to sacrifce him at the right moment. Especially a murderer. Besides, I doubt she'd support such a thing. I mean, she wants Anders to live in order to redeem himself. And he blew up a church, and almost killed someone once (or could/did?).

That Merrill wants to show mercy to someone who she's interacted with for about 6 years isn't surprising. She's sort of taken on Hawke and co as her flat-earred clan.

Should note. Merrill only mentions it if Hawke asks for their opinions. Merrill generally supports Hawke's decisions as her guardian, protector and to a point her newer/kinder keeper. She rarely interjects into any conversations in regards to decisions.

Modifié par Torax, 29 mars 2011 - 12:24 .

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Doesn't look like she thinks she's an object

Hmph. Out of character.

Have we seen Merrill's character on a late night with all the crew, and am elfroot cigar on the go?



"That Merrill wants to show mercy to someone who she's interacted with for about 6 years isn't surprising. She's sort of taken on Hawke and co as her flat-earred clan. "


+1, and warm & fuzzy

[_Somebody]

All the companions dont say anything unless asked for their opinion. Except for Sebastian.

[Emperor Iaius I]

That really depends. She was quite vocal in pro-mage decisions--and even if she doesn't say anything, the friendship/rivalry modifiers make it clear she has an opinion. It's a shame that they go away once maxed out, because you can't even see reactions after that.

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

That really depends. She was quite vocal in pro-mage decisions--and even if she doesn't say anything, the friendship/rivalry modifiers make it clear she has an opinion. It's a shame that they go away once maxed out, because you can't even see reactions after that.

Yes, it would be nice if there was still a "Merrill (or other companion) dissaproves", just without the numbers.

[TMA LIVE]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...
That being said this lengthy discussion over supporting or opposing Merrill's actions has really got me questioning the motivations of my Hawke's rivalmance. Way to go thread.

You're not the only one. This thread gave me the idea that rivalmancing Merrill wasn't a bad thing and then stabbed it in the face.

I'm so conflicted.

Just try it out and see for yourself. Both are well done.

I have. I prefered the rivalmance. But the discussion here has made me second guess my decision and think Hawke could be a controlling I-know-what's-best-for-you jerk. I suppose it's all perspective.

@Torax that's a nice way to put it.

I wouldn't say Hawke is controlling. If Hawke really didn't want her working on the mirror, he would have smashed it. Or stole it. But he didn't. He doesn't try to drag her away, or force her to not talk to the demon. Instead he lets her have it for 3 years, despite not liking it. And they both go to Sundermount despite disagreeing. And it is her who destroys it in the end as her independent choice. Not Hawke.

While the friendship version, Merrill is the one in control, and Hawke is just doing her bidding.

Rival wise, it's more equal because it doesn't involve just following whatever Merrill says. It involves you both resisting and fighting each other for years. They aren't just agreeing with each other, with Hawke just doing as Merrill asks, or her doing as he asks. She even kicks him out of the house, and fixes the Mirror without his help (and without the item she wants, amazingly). So she's more independent, and tough.


And though they disagreed, they stayed together for 3 years because they both came to an understanding.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 29 mars 2011 - 12:34 .

[Maria Caliban]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

[_Somebody]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

If anyone is an object, its Varric.

[DoNotIngest]

Somebody wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

If anyone is an object, its Varric.

Certainly the most willing object.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

You're taking all the fun out of being judgmental.

[Malevolence65]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

I think that Isabela objectifies herself.

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

She is a talented blood mage, not an object. You people have Isabela for that.

Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

You're taking all the fun out of being judgmental.

You're taking all the judgmental out of being fun.


Anybody else tapping their feet waiting for this amazing 4-page comic?

[Maria Caliban]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

You're taking all the fun out of being judgmental.

I'm good at sucking the fun out of things. Sucking in general, really.

Malevolence65 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Merrill is just as much an object as Isabela.

I think that Isabela objectifies herself.

Isabela does not act as though she exists only for other's sexual gratification. In fact, she seems far more interested in her own desires and consistently protests when others judge her solely as a sex object.