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[Onyx Jaguar]

I thought elves were just anorexic people

[David Gaider]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I thought Sheryl considered most anime creepy?

She does. The people making these comparisons either

a) don't know what anime is.

are blind.

c) are exaggerating because they think it's clever.

I look forward to a better shot of her, but until then expect the HERP DERP folks to have their way.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I know, Gundam is scary as ****

[BTCentral]

David Gaider wrote...

She does. The people making these comparisons either

a) don't know what anime is.

are blind.

c) are exaggerating because they think it's clever.

You forgot:

d) all of the above.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Addai67 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I am wondering if there is a story/ lore purpose for why Fenris looks... well, normalish... in comparison to dear Meri-bear here. Like if he has taken on more human features and proportions by being in close contact with humans, whereas the Dalish are supposed to look more "fantasy elf" elven.

Sexual dimorphism.

That would explain height and stature maybe, but not facial structure and ears.

It could just be individuals varying or just angle/ resolution playing tricks.  Guess we'll have to see more elves to determine if the mashed-face, big-eyed, floppy-eared look is just Merrill or more of a racial thing.

[snip example]

Well... yeah, it would. Males and females of some species look vastly different. However that is not true in this case. To me they look to have very similar facial proportions, Fenris might have slightly smaller eyes but that's it. They both have the deep nasal bridge and straight nose, and his ears aren't flat to his skull from what I can tell.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:59 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

[quote]Maria Caliban wrote...

I thought Sheryl considered most anime creepy?



Whatever Sheryl wants... Im a pragmatist.





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Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:16 .

[Eskarne]

David Gaider wrote...

I look forward to a better shot of her, but until then expect the HERP DERP folks to have their way.

Well they need someone to derp at now that Carver has the audacity to look (and sound) cool. 

[tmp7704]

Addai67 wrote...

It could just be individuals varying or just angle/ resolution playing tricks.  Guess we'll have to see more elves to determine if the mashed-face, big-eyed, floppy-eared look is just Merrill or more of a racial thing.

From Mr.Gaider's comment a bit earlier it sounds like the latter -- Merrill is looking up in that scene while Fenris isn't. That affects the way ears look, and probably other parts to a degree as well.

[Addai]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Didn't know we had elves in real life to say what looks like an elf and what doesn't.

We have Origins elves to compare against.  Otherwise people are just giving their opinons on relative attractiveness of various types of elves.  Is that ok with you?

It's pretty faint, but we also have cover art from The Stolen Throne.  It does show Katriel with more WoW-proportioned ears, much larger than most Origins elves had.  Though upright, not floppy sideways.  Smaller and floppy might actually be preferable, now that I think about it. 



Don't mind Maric's crotch in the shot. 

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...
a) don't know what anime is.

are blind.

c) are exaggerating because they think it's clever.

I know what anime is. I like it quite a bit. I am most certainly not blind, and rather familar with a number of different anime styles. I'm not exaggerating since I was not the one that made the comparison to begin with.

That image with the anime elf inserted where Merrill is standing is actually a remarkably good likeness for her. She doesn't have the anime styling in the face, but she's cute enough. And, as one might make a chibi version of any character under the sun, it's a rather fitting anime conversion of the character as she appears in that shot.

[Big Blue Car]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
I thought Sheryl considered most anime creepy?

She does. The people making these comparisons either

a) don't know what anime is.

are blind.

c) are exaggerating because they think it's clever.

I look forward to a better shot of her, but until then expect the HERP DERP folks to have their way.

Well anime does have a ton of well-endowed but otherwise young-looking female characters, and them seeming innocent or 'virginal' is a common trope. From the info we have that seems a reasonable comparison to me, if not a particularly useful one. But go ahead insulting fans though I guess.

Modifié par Big Blue Car, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:05 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

the_one_54321 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
a) don't know what anime is.

are blind.

c) are exaggerating because they think it's clever.

I know what anime is. I like it quite a bit. I am most certainly not blind, and rather familar with a number of different anime styles. I'm not exaggerating since I was not the one that made the comparison to begin with.

That image with the anime elf inserted where Merrill is standing is actually a remarkably good likeness for her. She doesn't have the anime styling in the face, but she's cute enough. And, as one might make a chibi version of any character under the sun, it's a rather fitting anime conversion of the character as she appears in that shot.

I agree with this one

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

The idea floating around that they got the elf design absolutely 100% right forever and always the first time never fails to astound.

[Maria Caliban]

Drizzt,

Might want to edit that image. Swearing isn't allowed.

David Gaider wrote...

I look forward to a better shot of her, but until then expect the HERP DERP folks to have their way.

At least we don't have to wait as long as the Carver fans for a less 'derpy' shot.

...It just feels wrong to suggest big boobs are equivalent to a derpy expression.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:09 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well its hard to fail thin humans with pointy ears

[namedforthemoon]

I like Merrill. *Waves a Merrill banner*



I LOVE Merrill's scarf! *wants Merrill's scarf*

[Drizzt ORierdan]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...


I know what anime is. I like it quite a bit. I am most certainly not blind, and rather familar with a number of different anime styles. I'm not exaggerating since I was not the one that made the comparison to begin with.

That image with the anime elf inserted where Merrill is standing is actually a remarkably good likeness for her. She doesn't have the anime styling in the face, but she's cute enough. And, as one might make a chibi version of any character under the sun, it's a rather fitting anime conversion of the character as she appears in that shot.

I agree with this one

Thanks....

[Onyx Jaguar]

namedforthemoon wrote...

I like Merrill. *Waves a Merrill banner*

I LOVE Merrill's scarf! *wants Merrill's scarf*

We need to start fashion appreciation threads on this site

Colossus, Heavy Chainmail, DAMNNNNNnnnnn

[Xewaka]

Pseudocognition wrote...
The idea floating around that they got the elf design absolutely 100% right forever and always the first time never fails to astound.

I'll refrain to comment on this, as I'd rather not have the thread derailed into a discussion on how the new art direction is better or worse than DA:O's.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well its hard to fail thin humans with pointy ears

True. Though I think it's absolutely resonable for them to say "You know what, this isn't working anymore. Let's try again."

[Onyx Jaguar]

But just saying that really makes me want to comment on how it is better or worse than DA:O's!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well its hard to fail thin humans with pointy ears

True. Though I think it's absolutely resonable for them to say "You know what, this isn't working anymore. Let's try again."

True they could add a eye on the back of their head and cut an addtional 5 inches on the average height

[tmp7704]

Pseudocognition wrote...

The idea floating around that they got the elf design absolutely 100% right forever and always the first time never fails to astound.

Well, given they took something like 5 years to develop and release the first game, you'd think they've mulled over the appearances quite a bit and went through more than one iteration. So seeing what they finally settled on after all that time getting discarded as soon as the second game appears, along with most of the other things... it does feel bit weird.

[The Elder King]

Well, I read a lot of manga and in my opinion Merrill isn't like an anime/manga character. I don't ever think she looks like a teenager, maybe she seems young, but not too young.

But I believe it's a subjective thing, and with only one screensho is useless to continue arguing about her look to infantile. Plus, I trust the dev's word, so I'm fine with her image, I'only waiting for her announcement to know a little more about her

[SandyWB]

glenboy24 wrote...

I agree to each thier own, but, in this case, I feel confused from the opposite end of the spectrum. Now, I will say that, just as you yourself did, I enjoyed Origins because it introduced us to a "Fantasy" Realm more akin to R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire universe then, say, Tolkiens. The world felt "lived in" and flawed, for want of better terms. And it worked beautifully. However, "Real" doesn't mean that *Other Races* need to look more Human then non-Human. In the DA Lore, the Daelish Elves, or rather the Elves of Arlathan, *were* a race more in touch with nature and Magic associated with the Earth, with facets to thier culture and beliefs very similar to the traditional dipictions of Elves in, for example, the Forgotten Realms series.

And, forgive me, but, that is what Elves are supposed to be like. More deeply connected to the natural world, reflecting thier Woodland ancestry in thier appearence. A humanoid species which has evolved almost exclussively among Forests and associated enviornments are not going to have the same appearence as Humans who would have evolved to find multiple habitation areas accomidating for the sake of farming, fishing, etc.

As I said, I love the fact that the Elves of Dragon Age have *some* level of nature based Mystisism to them, with even the City Elves trying to maintain some measure of that in the Alienages with thier Trees, but said Mystisism does not mean thier perfect. They're as flawed as Humans, possibly to a lesser extent, but they should not *look* too human. Instead of Elves it sounds more like you want Vulcans. Sorry, but, with all due respect, you're looking in the wrong Universe.

What BioWare has done is attempt to redefine the Fantasy Genre in gaming, and I think they achieved that. Now, with the graphical advancements and a deeper understanding of the kind of world they want to create they can further build upon that goal by reintroducing the Elven Race and giving them a look all thier own. I think it's a huge plus. Again, if I want Elves to look like Tolkien rip offs, i.e. Vulcans, I will look to the aforementioned media. However, I want my "real" fantasy realm to have at leach a touch of actual "Fantasy" elements to it. 
  

Ok, I'm going to stay civil, even though some of the things you wrote felt oddly presumtious. I've highlighted the parts I want to adress.

First of all, you say: "that is what Elves are supposed to be like". I want to reply with a "Says who?". I enjoyed the Dragon Age: Origins elves alot more than I did DnD elves, and I liked the original Tolkien elves alot more than I did DnD elves.

Second, you claim that a race who has evolved in a woodland area would appear different from humans. Is this just an assumption from your part? Because I believe humans evolved in what was likely forest and savannah/plain covered areas. I don't see at all how having a woodland ancestry would give you chubby cheeks, slanted ears and large eyes as opposed to appearing more human-like.

About the mysticism when it comes to the elves, that's all well and good. I liked the Dalish and that they kept their traditions, because it felt real, like the Romani people and several similar cultures in our world. The same goes for the Alienage elves and their similarities to the Jewish people. However, culture in itself should not change how a people look physically. Sure, some cultures get larger/smaller, stronger/weaker individuals on average, but that is because of diet, daily activities and the likes, not simply because they "should be" that way because of their innate culture.

And now to the part that actually got me a little frustrated. Vulcans? Really? I never once said anything about Vulcans or Star Trek. I've never been much of a trekkie, only seen the new movie to be honest, and while I liked it the similarities between Vulcans and Elves is, to my understanding, the ears alone. I might add, that I don't think Vulcans can be described as Tolkien rip-offs, that's like saying anyone who uses a spaceship in media is a Jules Vernes rip-off. Both claims are inaccurate, and I feel like you only use the example to try to make your own idea of the elven race sound more justified. If anything, Tolkien's elves, the 'humans with pointed ears'-elves, are arguably more what elves are "supposed to be like", as they represent the classic image of elves that various other franchises have used and in some cases changed/perverted, depending on how you feel about it. But please, don't make assumptions about  me wanting elves to be Vulcans and things like that, it comes off as looking childish on you part.

I know that Bioware is trying to "redefine the Fantasy Genre in gaming", although I wouldn't put it quite like that. They are trying to give their art design a new twist, and that's fine. But I don't think the changes they've made to the elves were really necessary. The elves in Origins had a great history, two separate but great cultures, and looked distinguishable enough from humans to clearly be their own race.

As I said earlier, Fenris didn't look all that different from the Elves in Origins, although he also had those slanted ears that I'm not overly fond of, but Merrill just doesn't look enough like the elves in Origins for me to be content. I hope it's just Merrill that looks kind of odd, and that other elves will resemble the Origins elves at least a tad bit more.