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[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Somebody wrote...

You can make her your slave?

Yes.

*struggles to avoid the v-word*

V-word?

[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Yes. When you tell her to work for you and Fenris freaks out about you being in the market for slaves, you have the option to tell him: I. shut up! II. I'll pay her, silly.

I picked the first one. Then he points out how hawke ought to remember that HE was once a slave, so I tell him to shut up again. Then he spits. I would assume I got massive rivalry points, but I had him maxed out well before then.

Man, I dislike Fenris almost enough to pull that one on him.

Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

[Maria Caliban]

Iaius is into that whole enslavement bit.

[mesmerizedish]

Somebody wrote...

Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

I hate him because he's an ****, to Merrill, to Anders (even though Anders is, himself, an ****), to Bethany... he's a giant hypocrite. I actually do like the character as a character, but he's a really awful person.

Maria Caliban wrote...

V-word?

It rhymes with "nubile."

Maria Caliban wrote...

Iaius is into that whole enslavement bit.

I agree with him only insofar as to say that Isabela could use a leash every now and again.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 30 mars 2011 - 03:30 .

[Herr Uhl]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

V-word?

It rhymes with "nubile."

Vile?

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

V-word?

It rhymes with "nubile."

Nothing rhymes with nubile.

Herr Uhl wrote...

Vile?

Vagile, vernile, versatile, vibratile, videophile, virile, voile, or volatile?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Nothing rhymes with nubile.

Maria, I'm sure that you could rhyme anything with nubile if you tried hard enough.

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Vile?

Vagile, vernile, versatile, vibratile, videophile, virile, voile, or volatile?

I hope for it to be voile.

[Maria Caliban]

I wonder if she meant virginal?

I had to google voile. I'm not knowledgeable when it come to fabrics.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria, I'm sure that you could rhyme anything with nubile if you tried hard enough.

With the right level of motivation, there is no end to how I can butcher the English language.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Iaius is into that whole enslavement bit.

Only collaterally. I'm not interested in slavery as a concept as I am as an appurtenant characteristic of the Imperium. If it was the Chantry that practiced slavery, for instance, then I'd be its strongest opponent.

Somebody wrote...

Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

Among other reasons. That's certainly the strongest source of my hatred for him, though his irrational dislike of mages and his betrayal of Danarius are also motivating factors.

[Big_Chief]

His...betrayal of Danarius? In that he doesn't want to be enslaved or have the flesh stripped from his bones? Yeah, I'm not going to fault him for that.

[LobselVith8]

According to Anders and other opponents of the Chantry controlled Circles, that's precisely how they view the treatment of mages, Emperor Iaius.

[stormrain]

Somebody wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...
Yes. When you tell her to work for you and Fenris freaks out about you being in the market for slaves, you have the option to tell him: I. shut up! II. I'll pay her, silly.

I picked the first one. Then he points out how hawke ought to remember that HE was once a slave, so I tell him to shut up again. Then he spits. I would assume I got massive rivalry points, but I had him maxed out well before then.

Man, I dislike Fenris almost enough to pull that one on him.

Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

This thread is where I've been exposed to Fenris hate the most. I like Fenris. I like Merrill. I like all the characters (well, Anders dissapointed me--plus I killed him. Still like him though). I wish they would all just get along and pick daisies while singing koombaya. But it'll never happen. That makes me sad. Ah well.

Varric seems to be the only companion that gets along with everyone. Maybe Isabela too, once she and Aveline get around to being Vitriolic Best Buds in Act 3.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 30 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[Maria Caliban]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Iaius is into that whole enslavement bit.

Only collaterally. I'm not interested in slavery as a concept as I am as an appurtenant characteristic of the Imperium. If it was the Chantry that practiced slavery, for instance, then I'd be its strongest opponent.

I applaud your use of the word appurtenant.

I don't think Merrill would be too thrilled about a return to the glory days of the Imperium.

It's interesting that she talks about both Dalish and human religious as being homogenous. Surely, Arlathan had a multitude of religious if it spanned the length of Thedas. She also seems to think that there's only a single human religion despite being from Ferelden where there are still humans who worship other gods. You'd think she'd be at least passingly familiar with the human explanation for the Blight (or do the Dalish have their own explanation?) and the Tevinter gods.

Captain Uccisore wrote...

I wish they would all just get along and pick daisies while singing koombaya. But it'll never happen. That makes me sad. Ah well.

As do I. In marked contrast with my usual preference for dark and moody stories. I want my companions to love one another and love me.

I ran with Aveline, Isabela, and Merrill my first game and got that. In my second game it was Isabela, Varric, and Merrill.

Sebastion is also a cool dude.

I had no problem with the Jack and Miranda relationship though.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Big_Chief wrote...

His...betrayal of Danarius? In that he doesn't want to be enslaved or have the flesh stripped from his bones? Yeah, I'm not going to fault him for that.

Leaving him to die at the hands of the qunari.

LobselVith8 wrote...

According to Anders and other opponents of the Chantry controlled Circles, that's precisely how they view the treatment of mages, Emperor Iaius.

That's another point. I rarely make it because people seem to justify it on the basis that the magisters kept slaves.

Maria Caliban wrote...


I don't think Merrill would be too thrilled about a return to the glory days of the Imperium.

It's interesting that she talks about both Dalish and human religious as being homogenous. Surely, Arlathan had a multitude of religious if it spanned the length of Thedas. She also seems to think that there's only a single human religion despite being from Ferelden where there are still humans who worship other gods. You'd think she'd be at least passingly familiar with the human explanation for the Blight (or do the Dalish have their own explanation?) and the Tevinter gods.

Heh. It's interesting though. Merrill doesn't seem to have the hatred of the Imperium that the other elves have, despite the fact that she's wedded to Elvhenan. She seems genuinely curious about them, to the point that she rejects Fenris's arguments about how awful the magisters are and disapproves if you agree with him. She's upset with the destruction of the evil tomes, even though Taronhe says that she wrote them to realize her goal of restoring the glory days of the ancient Imperium. And in act three, she even jokes about it: she comments how Andraste looks sad, and says it's probably because of mages or Tevinter in a tone that implies "typical."

Hm. As to the second: where are you getting the idea that she only thinks that there's a single human religion?

And no, I can't say that I recall any Dalish explanation for the Blight. It sounds like something that we'd have been told though. . . I wonder if Marethari talks about it in the Dalish elf origin? I remember a conversation with her about what the darkspawn are.

[Torax]

The reference in religions is actually from Sebastian and not Merrill. Sebastian states how their beliefs sound similar. He was basically asking her about what she believes. It was about how when the Dalish finally collect all their old knowledge. The old gods will return and then they Dalish will teach all the other elves their true history. More or less. Sebastian observes that the Chantry sort of says the same thing. But in the Chantry's case it's that if the chant is sung all across thedas then the maker will return. Merrill's reply is pretty much as"The maker wants you to be Elves?"

[stormrain]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...
I wish they would all just get along and pick daisies while singing koombaya. But it'll never happen. That makes me sad. Ah well.

As do I. In marked contrast with my usual preference for dark and moody stories. I want my companions to love one another and love me.

I ran with Aveline, Isabela, and Merrill my first game and got that. In my second game it was Isabela, Varric, and Merrill.

Sebastion is also a cool dude.

I had no problem with the Jack and Miranda relationship though.

Ah, good. I'm not the only one then.

Varric, Isabela, and Merrill are the usual members of my party as well. Which is funny, because my Hawke is a brooding ***hole and it'd be more expected for him to hang with Fenris and Anders where they can all brood together. But no one is allowed to brood but him, and he keeps the others around because he secretly loves them.

Sebastian was cool, I liked having him in the party, and his accent was very attractive. But he was a little bit dull. I usually role rivalry with him to keep things interesting.

I find Jack and Miranda's hostility toward another absolutely hilarious. It entertains me greatly. I think by the end of ME2 they're more tolerant and respectful of one another, but I don't know if they'll become friends. Lord knows I want them too.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 30 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[Torax]

I'm definitely part of the Varric, Rivaini & Daisy crowd. Best party. Though I have Varric do the Trap and Lock Picking just cause Izzy goes all "Slave Driver!" on me.

[Emperor Iaius I]

I like how the party members have genuine beefs with each other. They're real people. In DA:O, it always felt that they were just teasing each other. That was too cartoony for me. I hate Anders and Fenris, but the fact that they're so harsh with Merrill is pleasant (in the characterization sense! It still breaks my heart every time). It makes them three dimensional.

[Torax]

Am I the only person who wants Sigrun back? Hopefully something having to do with a ton of Darkspawn in a DLC at the very least. If not more in DA3.

DA2 gave me some female elf love. Now how about some female dwarf. If not for the player? At least for Varric. The poor guy.

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[stormrain]

Torax wrote...

Am I the only person who wants Sigrun back? Hopefully something having to do with a ton of Darkspawn in a DLC at the very least. If not more in DA3.

DA2 gave me some female elf love. Now how about some female dwarf. If not for the player? At least for Varric. The poor guy.

I can see Varric flirting with her, and her not shutting him down. Unlike with Oghren. Hmm...

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I like how the party members have genuine beefs with each other. They're real people. In DA:O, it always felt that they were just teasing each other. That was too cartoony for me. I hate Anders and Fenris, but the fact that they're so harsh with Merrill is pleasant (in the characterization sense! It still breaks my heart every time). It makes them three dimensional.

Don't get me wrong, I like the inter party hostility for the same reason. But it still makes me .

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 30 mars 2011 - 03:27 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I wonder if she meant virginal?

I meant vile.

With the right level of motivation, there is no end to how I can butcher the English language.

Oh, I'll bet <3

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

I like how the party members have genuine beefs with each other. They're real people. In DA:O, it always felt that they were just teasing each other. That was too cartoony for me. I hate Anders and Fenris, but the fact that they're so harsh with Merrill is pleasant (in the characterization sense! It still breaks my heart every time). It makes them three dimensional.

I absolutely agree. The companions' interactions with one another were much improved over Origins. I only wish I had an opportunity to get involved in their conflicts. I tend to enjoy mediation as opposed to passive observation, so I'd love an opportunity to tell Fenris that he's being a douche*. Merrill doesn't seem to really attack anyone else, though.




*horrible mediation tactic, most of the time; don't try it at home

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 30 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Zjarcal]

Somebody wrote...
Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

I don't hate him really. I do wish we had an option to punch him every time he's mean to Merrill. <_<

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Tigerking]

Zjarcal wrote...

Somebody wrote...
Do you all hate him so much because he is nasty with Merrill?

I don't hate him really. I do wish we had an option to punch him every time he's mean to Merrill. 

I agree, he's being such a bastard during the A New Path quest that I think such fisticuffs would be justifiable. Other times, I agree with the earlier point about trying to mediate the dispute. And for the record, I think Fenris' disagreements with Merrill are a whole lot more understandable than Anders'. He's still being unreasonable, but you can see where he's coming from.

[Torax]

What is interesting about the companions more so in DA2 than the Origins and awaking is how imperfect they are. Granted they designed many of the characters to be aspects of the on going plot. So the companions argue and offer insight to the players I guess. Opinions of about every side but the Templars are addressed in some way. Anders & Fenris can beat their issues to death really. Also a bunch of Hypocrits across the boards between the broody bunch.

Going after Merrill is the safety really. Argue with Aveline and you are more likely to get retaliation. Merrill gets attacked and she tends to just take it with maybe a light retort in an attempt to lighten the mood. Why I'd generally have Rivaini or Varric along as her supporters. I always take Varric & Izzy with us for A New Path. I figure we're in for a rough ride. Better to not totally traumatize the girl. She's gonna be hating herself enough as it is.

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 05:27 .