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[flexxdk]

Somebody wrote...
*snip*

There you go, a "glorious" pic for ya.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLNapza1cDorRmCYWeWrWOt1kH7Vim7skx50vka9bhTRsuum4GDg&t=1

Now I can finally start my plans for world domination with my six-legged horse! 

Modifié par Whacka, 30 mars 2011 - 07:07 .

[DalishRanger]

DoNotIngest wrote...
I love being completely wrong and looking like an idiot. Now I'm quite fond of the pic, since that bit of obviousness has been cleared up for me!

Eh, don't feel too dumb over it. Silhouettes are sometimes hard to make out. Plus, I've drawn the exact same kind of crying pose before, so I know what it tends to look like. And years of art history classes have made me far more analyzing of artwork than I may have otherwise been. After having to scrutize more Renaissance paintings than I care to count, I tend to pick out symbolism fairly easily.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 30 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[flexxdk]

DalishRanger wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
I love being completely wrong and looking like an idiot. Now I'm quite fond of the pic, since that bit of obviousness has been cleared up for me!

Eh, don't feel too dumb over it. Silhouettes are sometimes hard to make out. Plus, I've drawing the exact same kind of crying pose before, so I know what it tends to look like. And years of art history classes have made me far more analyzing of artwork than I may have otherwise been. After having to scrutize more Renaissance paintings than I care to count, I tend to pick out symbolism fairly easily.

I could never bear my art lessons... I always found them a bit boring. Well, except for the Renaissance. I always found that one of the most intriguing era's.

Yeah, I love history. But art? Not so much.

Ah well, at least I don't have to feel stupid over it anymore either. Thought it was lotsa blood... But why then make it red? Why not blue? Is red more symbolic than blue?
Crying out of pain.... pain can be associated with red... so then red tears.... 
And where blue gives a cold feeling, red gives a warm feeling... but does pain associate with warm??

Blargh, it makes my head hurt.

Modifié par Whacka, 30 mars 2011 - 07:14 .

[DoNotIngest]

Whacka wrote...

DalishRanger wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
I love being completely wrong and looking like an idiot. Now I'm quite fond of the pic, since that bit of obviousness has been cleared up for me!

Eh, don't feel too dumb over it. Silhouettes are sometimes hard to make out. Plus, I've drawing the exact same kind of crying pose before, so I know what it tends to look like. And years of art history classes have made me far more analyzing of artwork than I may have otherwise been. After having to scrutize more Renaissance paintings than I care to count, I tend to pick out symbolism fairly easily.

I could never bear my art lessons... I always found them a bit boring. Well, except for the Renaissance. I always found that one of the most intriguing era's.

Yeah, I love history. But art? Not so much.

Ah well, at least I don't have to feel stupid over it anymore either. Thought it was lotsa blood... But why then make it red? Why not blue? Is red more symbolic than blue?
Crying out of pain.... pain can be associated with red... so then red tears.... 

Bargh, it makes my head hurt.

I think the blood's just... Blood. There seems to be a ton of blood in all of those pics, and not really a source for it. Silhouetted character(s), big pool of blood, and white background are the requisites for those pics

[DalishRanger]

Whacka wrote...
I could never bear my art lessons... I always found them a bit boring. Well, except for the Renaissance. I always found that one of the most intriguing era's.

Yeah, I love history. But art? Not so much.

Ah well, at least I don't have to feel stupid over it anymore either. Thought it was lotsa blood... But why then make it red? Why not blue? Is red more symbolic than blue?
Crying out of pain.... pain can be associated with red... so then red tears.... 

Bargh, it makes my head hurt.

I'm a huge history buff. And I love (certain kinds of) art. But art history? Not my favorite subject. Parts of it I enjoyed, but I hated having to memorize so many artists' names, work titles, periods/movements and dates. 50+ per test, usually. And you had to spell them coherently, or you didn't get credit. Was a real pain during the Italian Renaissance tests.

As for the picture, I think the blood thing is more to represent not just her blood magic, but the pain/death caused by her obsession with the mirror (at the very least, she loses her mother figure - and quite possibly the entire clan). Granted, that might not be the artist's intent, but that's what I get out of it.

Something to note about most artists (in my experience, anyway): We like to hide stuff in our art. Whether it's deeper meanings or just a silly hidden joke or reference, we tend to do it a lot. Sometimes we make it fairly obvious, other times we hide them pretty deep down so it's just a personal joke or a reward for those who look beyond the surface. Hell, I've seen comic artists for publishers like Marvel and DC put hidden jabs at hated bosses in their background. Or just random jokes that have no particular meaning, but they like throwing in easter eggs.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 30 mars 2011 - 07:22 .

[Torax]

Could have been a black background and white contrast. The red was symbolic. The part that moves the mind is generally blood magic is used to slice ones hand or wrist. It does look like a crying pose of course. It's just the location of the red leads to either crying or a worse side of it since there is so much red.

[Matroska]

It's obvious symbolism but it's really clunky and ends up looking silly. It's like a computer has tried to do symbolism. Yes, it's obviously a crying pose and there's a significant scene where she cries by the mirror, but you don't need to make her tears into blood to symbolise anything.

It just ends up looking stupid since, whether it's tears, blood, metaphorical blood or metaphorical tears, there's enough all over the floor to mean she's dead of either blood loss or dehydration. Even though it's painfully obvious what the artist was going for, you can't shake the fact it looks like she's having one hell of a nosebleed or has maybe just got stabbed in the eyes. It ends up looking farcical. You don't need to make the tears red to imply emotional pain, the tears and the pose do that by themselves. On the most basic level, it works as a colour scheme, but that's about it.

[flexxdk]

DalishRanger wrote...
I'm a huge history buff. And I love (certain kinds of) art. But art history? Not my favorite subject. Parts of it I enjoyed, but I hated having to memorize so many artists' names, work titles, periods/movements and dates. 50+ per test, usually. And you had to spell them coherently, or you didn't get credit. Was a real pain during the Italian Renaissance tests.

Glad I didn't have anything like that then.

Just give me a test about the Cold War and I can tell you a lot about what happened during that time period. Ranging from the Cuba crisis to the Vietnam war, I can sum it all up.
But give me a test in which I have to describe a certain painting and the hidden meaning behind it, and I'm lost in eternity.
That's why I don't like art: I can't see the hidden meaning behind it, even if there is. No matter how hard I look, I just can't see it.

Something to note about most artists (in my experience, anyway): We like to hide stuff in our art. Whether it's deeper meanings or just a silly hidden joke or reference, we tend to do it a lot.

Like I said earlier:

I can't see these hidden meanings. In fact, I can't see the meaning of any painting. Whether it is obvious or not, I can't see it.

Part of my disorder, I think. Not trying to put all the blame on that. But it isn't easy to not do that...

Edit:
I HATE LATE POSTS

Modifié par Whacka, 30 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[DoNotIngest]

Teclo wrote...

It's obvious symbolism but it's really clunky and ends up looking silly. It's like a computer has tried to do symbolism. Yes, it's obviously a crying pose and there's a significant scene where she cries by the mirror, but you don't need to make her tears into blood to symbolise anything.

It just ends up looking stupid since, whether it's tears, blood, metaphorical blood or metaphorical tears, there's enough all over the floor to mean she's dead of either blood loss or dehydration. Even though it's painfully obvious what the artist was going for, you can't shake the fact it looks like she's having one hell of a nosebleed or has maybe just got stabbed in the eyes. It ends up looking farcical. You don't need to make the tears red to imply emotional pain, the tears and the pose do that by themselves. On the most basic level, it works as a colour scheme, but that's about it.

This is what I meant. There are three other pics (more than that coming, I presume), one of the Arishok, one of Female Hawke & Anders in embrace, and one of Isabela scratching Dog's chin, all with a few gallons of blood on the ground. I think the artist just really likes blood, and it is used very, very copiously in DAO and DA2. Of course, typically my favourite Merrill pictures would have a relatively small amount of blood in them, but I'll take what I can get.


"As for the picture, I think the blood thing is more to represent not just her blood magic, but the pain/death caused by her obsession with the mirror (at the very least, she loses her mother figure - and quite possibly the entire clan). Granted, that might not be the artist's intent, but that's what I get out of it."

Not sure if you've seen the others, the thread for the pics is in the subforum below this one (Companions & NPC Discussion), and has blood warning in the title. There's just a lot of blood, period. Although I see what you mean, and he may well have decided that the blood should symbolize what you've interpretted it to.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 30 mars 2011 - 07:33 .

[flexxdk]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Of course, typically my favourite Merrill pictures would have a relatively small amount of blood in them, but I'll take what I can get.

So do I.

Anyway, this thread is derailing into an art thread. Perhaps we should try to get it back on the right track again?

(Hey... "back" and "track"... That, like, rhymes! That's, like, so awesome, dude, yeah!)

[Ace Attorney]

I am currently trying to render this pic, I haven't rendered in years and still wasn't great at it. Then will use it for a sig. Any tag/text ideas?

P.S. Sorry Zjarcal, stole one of your pics again:ph34r:

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 30 mars 2011 - 07:41 .

[DoNotIngest]

Whacka wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Of course, typically my favourite Merrill pictures would have a relatively small amount of blood in them, but I'll take what I can get.

So do I.

Anyway, this thread is derailing into an art thread. Perhaps we should try to get it back on the right track again?

(Hey... "back" and "track"... That, like, rhymes! That's, like, so awesome, dude, yeah!)

Somebody should make a display pic which is a video of Merrill's staff attack combo with a nature staff, so I can steal it. Any takers? I'm not talented enough to do it on my own

[flexxdk]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I am currently trying to render this pic, I haven't rendered in years and still wasn't great at it. Then will use it for a sig. Any tag/text ideas?

Hmmm... those eyes...

Perhaps something with her eyes?

Edit:
Scratch that. Eyes are overused and overrated.

You could try to cut out Merrill's face, so that you can resize it to a smaller format...

Either way, I hope it works out. I've been trying to change my current sig for some time now, but all these banners are too big.

Modifié par Whacka, 30 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[DalishRanger]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Not sure if you've seen the others, the thread for the pics is in the subforum below this one (Companions
& NPC Discussion), and has blood warning in the title. There's just a lot of blood, period. Although I see what you mean, and he may well  have decided that the blood should symbolize what you've interpretted it to.

I have not. Just judging the picture on its own merrits. I did say that it might've not been the artist's intent though, didn't I? *Can't remember* Sometimes blood is just blood, don't get me wrong - but that was just my interpretation of the image on its own.

Whacka wrote...
Just give me a test about the Cold War and I can tell you a lot about what happened during that time period. Ranging from the Cuba crisis to the Vietnam war, I can sum it all up. But give me a test in which I have to describe a certain painting and the hidden meaning behind it, and I'm lost in eternity.

I both like it and hate it. If it's something I love (like a favorite movie), I can spend forever noticing little hidden details, whether symbolic or just simply something related to the art style (like color choice). But I hated doing it for art history classes, because it covered a lot of styles and periods I'm personally bored by.

Whacka wrote...
That's why I don't like art: I can't see the hidden meaning behind it, even if there is. No matter how hard I look, I just can't see it.

Some people can't. There's nothing wrong with that. Though I like to analyze myself, I'll be the first to admit the art world likes to delve WAY too far into things and see stuff that isn't always there. You'll find me commenting on blood in video game fan art. You won't find me in a modern art musuem critiquing a painting of a square entitled "The Depths of My Soul."

Also, on the note of Merrill fan art... There's absolutely no blood in the comic I'm working on. I promise.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 30 mars 2011 - 07:43 .

[flexxdk]

DalishRanger wrote...

Whacka wrote...
That's why I don't like art: I can't see the hidden meaning behind it, even if there is. No matter how hard I look, I just can't see it.

Some people can't. There's nothing wrong with that.

Wish my school would understand.

You won't find me in a modern art musuem critiquing a painting of a square entitled "The Depths of My Soul."

Now you've done it! You killed my dream!

Dreamkiller!

[Killjoy Cutter]

Whacka wrote...

Just give me a test about the Cold War and I can tell you a lot about what happened during that time period. Ranging from the Cuba crisis to the Vietnam war, I can sum it all up.
But give me a test in which I have to describe a certain painting and the hidden meaning behind it, and I'm lost in eternity.
That's why I don't like art: I can't see the hidden meaning behind it, even if there is. No matter how hard I look, I just can't see it.

I know what you mean.  There's a lot of "meaning" in art that I think is just... huh?

[DoNotIngest]

DalishRanger wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Not sure if you've seen the others, the thread for the pics is in the subforum below this one (Companions
& NPC Discussion), and has blood warning in the title. There's just a lot of blood, period. Although I see what you mean, and he may well  have decided that the blood should symbolize what you've interpretted it to.

I have not. Just judging the picture on its own merrits. I did say that it might've not been the artist's intent though, didn't I? *Can't remember* Sometimes blood is just blood, don't get me wrong - but that was just my interpretation of the image on its own.

I saw what you meant, and it certainly makes sense. I just thought I'd add in that other part, I would hazard a guess that you are right, but I was just explaining the rather generous amount of blood. Here's the link:

http://social.biowar...index/6668385/1

I certainly haven't spent countless hours pondering art (serious here, I don't think spending hours searching for meaning in art is a bad thing at all, just to be clear), but I can't find any meaning to the amount of blood in the Isabela & Dog pic, unless I missed the part where it's revealed Pooch likes to roll amongst the fresh corpses


As to the no blood part; Sounds good! I don't mind it, but I like Merrill for being Merrill; That entails some blood mage attributes, but only so much as a bleeding wrist whose blood is being consumed as soon as it's flowing out, for magical use. I'm not squeamish about blood; That picture, way back, of Merrill drinking blood off of her finger, kind of freaked me out, though. Vampire Merrill? Noty.


Edit: How far along are you with the comic? I'm not trying to nag, I know the longer it takes, the better the result, just curious.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 30 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[DalishRanger]

While I would love to discuss a contrast of the merits and overkill of art interpretation (and dreamkilling ), I didn't mean to veer this so off topic from Merrill.

So here's the first two panels of pages 2 and 3. Finished inking page 2 and am now on page 3.





Edit:

DoNotIngest wrote...
I certainly haven't spent countless hours pondering art (serious here, I don't think spending hours searching for meaning in art is a bad thing at all, just to be clear), but I can't find any meaning to the amount of blood in the Isabela & Dog pic, unless I missed the part where it's revealed Pooch likes to roll amongst the fresh corpses

Heh, no worries! I never expect everyone to enjoy analyzing art like I do. I didn't even like doing it myself until a few years back. Plus, I find value in the input of non-artists and people who don't analyze/see things differently. It offers interesting insights.

DoNotIngest wrote...
I like Merrill for being Merrill; That entails some blood mage attributes, but only so much as a bleeding wrist whose blood is being consumed as soon as it's flowing out, for magical use. I'm not squeamish about blood; That picture, way back, of Merrill drinking blood off of her finger, kind of freaked me out, though. Vampire Merrill? Noty.

I feel exactly the same way. About Merrill and the particular fan art you're talking about. Fantastic painting skill, but it didn't feel like Merrill to me. I've drawn blood and violence many times - it doesn't bother me. But there's more to Merrill than her blood magic.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 30 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[flexxdk]

DalishRanger wrote...
...and dreamkilling ...

You left me no choice:

Inception time!

I shall now haunt stalk you in your dreamz and eat your cookies there.

Modifié par Whacka, 30 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[DalishRanger]

Whacka wrote...
You left me no choice:

Inception time!

I shall now haunt stalk you in your dreamz and eat your cookies there.

Go for it! I often keep tasty chocolate chip cookies around here.

[MasterSamson88]

So I take it Varric lost at something and that's why he's shirtless? xD

[DalishRanger]

MasterSamson88 wrote...
So I take it Varric lost at something and that's why he's shirtless? xD

Yup. I think it was disscussed pages back, but to sum up part of this: They're hanging out at Varric's room at the Hanged Man. Kenley (my grumpy mage Hawke), Isabela and Varric are playing strip poker. Albeit with a "nothing below the waist" clause because even a slightly tipsy Kenley wouldn't agree to a full stripping game.

There's more to it and the second half is pretty much only Kenley and Merrill, but that's how it starts off.

[Zjarcal]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I am currently trying to render this pic, I haven't rendered in years and still wasn't great at it. Then will use it for a sig. Any tag/text ideas?

P.S. Sorry Zjarcal, stole one of your pics again:ph34r:

LOL!! Be my guest, I won't complain at my screenies being put to good use. 

[Captain Iglo]

DalishRanger wrote...

While I would love to discuss a contrast of the merits and overkill of art interpretation (and dreamkilling ), I didn't mean to veer this so off topic from Merrill.

So here's the first two panels of pages 2 and 3. Finished inking page 2 and am now on page 3.

-snipels-

A-Are you drawing in Flash ?! o_Ô

[DalishRanger]

Captain Iglo wrote...
A-Are you drawing in Flash ?! o_Ô

Yes. Inking, anyway. I draw in Photoshop, but depending on the style I want to have, I usually ink in Flash. Sometimes Illustrator. Rarely Photoshop. I can get smoother lines easier in Flash and Illustrator. My hand isn't particularly steady.

For example, this was inked in Illustrator. This in Flash. This in Photoshop. All of them were mostly or entirely colored in Photoshop, and all of them were first roughed out in Photoshop.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 30 mars 2011 - 08:20 .