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[mesmerizedish]

Zjarcal wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
It's a real life romance.

Ok, I understand that you like the rival romance better, but saying that the friend romance isn't similar to a a real life romance... yeah, no. It is just as real as the rival one.

What? Everyone knows that actually agreeing with your lover about the important things is impossible.

[TMA LIVE]

DoNotIngest wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Replaying the game, I found that I like the rivalmance far better than the friendly romance. The relationship feels far less superficial and more deep. Anyone agree?

I agree. I honestly don't like the friendship romance except the Lady Hawke version. The Male version just feels too close to a Tali romance. I find the rival romance more personal, honest, and real.

For the friendship romance, Merrill is completely in love with Hawke, and Hawke completely supports Merrill. There isn't any drama, because, for the friendly romance, you don't need tinted glasses to see the world in rose.

In the rival version I find them both equals. Hawke isn't just agreeing and doing as Merrill bids. Hawke disagrees and speaks honestly. Merrill disagrees and speaks honestly. Hawke doesn't just do as Merrill bits. Merrill doesn't just do as Hawke bids. But they both know they care about each other, and have come to an undertstanding. It's a real life romance.

Note that even in the friendly romance, Hawke often comments about Merrill's safety. Nobody's being submissive, Hawke just understands Merrill's determination and either agrees with it or thinks it's her decision, and it's not his right to force her to do anything, just as she doesn't impose anything on Hawke's actions throughout the game. They care about each other, with fewer barriers between them.

Hey, if it wasn't for, "To each their own.", the world would be a boring place. I like both relationships, but as I would fully support Merrill in real life, I also fully support her in game, because I see sense in what she does. They're both real relationships, just one is more turbulent.

Rival doesn't force her to do anything either. She breaks the mirror as her own choice. Hawke never told her to do it. Same with Bloodmagic. Or at least my Hawke didn't do it.

[Zjarcal]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
It's a real life romance.

Ok, I understand that you like the rival romance better, but saying that the friend romance isn't similar to a a real life romance... yeah, no. It is just as real as the rival one.

What? Everyone knows that actually agreeing with your lover about the important things is impossible.

I'm not sure if this is meant to be sarcasm or not... 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[_Somebody]

I think both are just as good. I'm still undecided on what I will do for my canon run.

I'll decide once Merrill's bugs are patched.

[TMA LIVE]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
It's a real life romance.

Ok, I understand that you like the rival romance better, but saying that the friend romance isn't similar to a a real life romance... yeah, no. It is just as real as the rival one.

What? Everyone knows that actually agreeing with your lover about the important things is impossible.

Well, not impossible. It's only impossible if it's about "everything" for life. Or at least, everything that Merrill thinks is important. I don't consider it real if you think everything Merrill thinks is important is important, and simply agree with her no matter what. Same with agreeing with Anders about everything he thinks, including merging with Justice, and what he did at the end. It turns into "No matter what he does, you'll agree and support it".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 01:34 .

[mesmerizedish]

I enjoy the friendship path a lot more, because its theme is basically letting Merrill know that she's not alone. I'm not knocking the rivalmance... it's just that my own values are such that a sense of belonging is more important than almost anything else. Merrill is a pariah in almost every way. The friendship path is about telling her, "You do belong somewhere. You belong with me."

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 01 avril 2011 - 01:28 .

[TMA LIVE]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I enjoy the friendship path a lot more, because it's theme is basically letting Merrill know that she's not alone. I'm not knocking the rivalmance... it's just that my own values are such that a sense of belonging is more important than almost anything else. Merrill is a pariah in almost every way. The friendship path is about telling her, "You do belong somewhere. You belong with me."

I do like the Lady Hawke version of the friendship version, if that's the one you're talking about. I thought that one was done well, and was it's own beast.

[Zjarcal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, not impossible. It's only impossible if it's about "everything" for life. Or at least, everything that Merrill thinks is important. I don't consider it real if you think everything Merrill thinks is important is important, and simply agree with her no matter what. Same with agreeing with Anders about everything he thinks, including merging with Justice, and what he did at the end.

Ok, I get what you're saying but...

My Hawke didn't actually agree with her 100%. There were many times when she expressed doubt or at least some discomfort with the things Merrill was doing. She was still supportive though.

So it's not like you have to blindly agree with her during the friend romance (especially since if you're already locked at 100 friendship, easily done during act 1, you won't ever get any rival points for disagreeing with her).

[Ace Attorney]

Friend romance is better. Why? She doesn't quit Blood Magic! Simple :3

[Zjarcal]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Friend romance is better. Why? She doesn't quit Blood Magic! Simple :3

Hehe... this is my favorite part of the friendmance really. 

[DoNotIngest]

Zjarcal wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

Friend romance is better. Why? She doesn't quit Blood Magic! Simple :3

Hehe... this is my favorite part of the friendmance really. 

Hey, she's got a good reason! Stereotypes are annoying.

[mesmerizedish]

TMA LIVE wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I enjoy the friendship path a lot more, because it's theme is basically letting Merrill know that she's not alone. I'm not knocking the rivalmance... it's just that my own values are such that a sense of belonging is more important than almost anything else. Merrill is a pariah in almost every way. The friendship path is about telling her, "You do belong somewhere. You belong with me."

I do like the Lady Hawke version of the friendship version, if that's the one you're talking about. I thought that one was done well, and was it's own beast.

Yeah, I was Lady Hawke. I'll never manmance Merrill. He's too... masculine

[TMA LIVE]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I enjoy the friendship path a lot more, because it's theme is basically letting Merrill know that she's not alone. I'm not knocking the rivalmance... it's just that my own values are such that a sense of belonging is more important than almost anything else. Merrill is a pariah in almost every way. The friendship path is about telling her, "You do belong somewhere. You belong with me."

I do like the Lady Hawke version of the friendship version, if that's the one you're talking about. I thought that one was done well, and was it's own beast.

Yeah, I was Lady Hawke. I'll never manmance Merrill. He's too... masculine

I just don't like that it feels like a Tali romance. It follows the cliff notes of that romance. While the female version she tells you she wants to be like you, and thinks you're beautiful, and that she doesn't deserve you. It's its own thing.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 01:46 .

[DalishRanger]

For some reason I don't usually have much interest in playing same sex romances. There's plenty of f/f and m/m pairings I adore in the fandom (there's a Leliana/f!Tabris pair I'm especially fond of [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie], and Aimo's m!Hawke/Fenris comics are great), but I almost always play males and I just never feel like pursuing other males. So my game pairings are pretty much always m/f.

But hey... They're all bi so everyone's happy. Right, Ishmael?

Modifié par DalishRanger, 01 avril 2011 - 01:45 .

[DoNotIngest]

Well, as a straight male gamer, I tend to play the straight male... So MaleHawke has never felt too manly for me

[Torax]

it's actually a good point that it feels so much like Shepard and Tali. The conversation where she approaches him is kind of a opposite of the same one. Tali says how she didn't think he could see her through her suit. Merrill talks about how she should be even more of an Pariah cause she's a Efl with an Human.

Btw the further lil evidence of a Tali copy? Tali after her recruitment basically leaves her people to join Shepard "And if they don't like they can go to hell.." Meanwhile Merrill also did a version of self imposed exile. Just it was before Hawke gets there. They are also both really focused on their Races Past losses. Tali is focused on their lost home planet & Society. Merrill their entire lost Culcture & Society. Just one likes to kill lots of Geth and the other dabbles in blood magic.

edited further.

Tali ends up going to a trial in her last quest which can have her permanently exiled. Never to return to the fleet. Merill does get fully exiled at the end. Both in said quests basically losing a parent. Tali sees the corpse of her dead father and will get a hug or if you don't hug her kind of kneel and cry over his body. Since you don't get the interupts in DA2, merrill just cries of the keeper's body. The Keeper that has basically been her 2nd mother since she was 6 years old.

Damnit had to edit a tali to a Merill. That is going to hound me for a while now.

Modifié par Torax, 01 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[DalishRanger]

I'm a straight female gamer and I tend to find the female LIs more interesting than the male ones. Plus, I love facial hair and playing with beard options in the CC, so it's one of the reasons I usually end up playing a male character. The main exception's KOTOR2 (didn't like it much as a male) and Mass Effect (male's still my main canon, but I've played a female Shepard almost as much). Oh, and Fable II/III. I liked both Sparrows equally and I preferred the Princess to the Prince.

As for Merrill = Tali... I can see correlations, but they just feel executed differently to me. I like Merrill more overall and find her backstory more interesting. Granted, part of that might be because some Tali fans come off as very obsessive to me. And this is from a Tali fan.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 01 avril 2011 - 01:55 .

[TMA LIVE]

When I'm playing myself, I play a straight male character. When I'm roleplaying, I play a lesbian toy boy female. Usually it's with the same romance character (except KOTOR! Damn you Bioware!).

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 01:54 .

[mesmerizedish]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Well, as a straight male gamer, I tend to play the straight male... So MaleHawke has never felt too manly for me

It's not that I feel too apart from dudeHawke, though I'm sure that's part of it. But m/f pairings when I'm playing the dominant male role make me feel ick I'm fine being Anders's Lady Hawke, because I'm the dominant partner. But I couldn't dudeHawke Merrill.

[DoNotIngest]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Well, as a straight male gamer, I tend to play the straight male... So MaleHawke has never felt too manly for me

It's not that I feel too apart from dudeHawke, though I'm sure that's part of it. But m/f pairings when I'm playing the dominant male role make me feel ick I'm fine being Anders's Lady Hawke, because I'm the dominant partner. But I couldn't dudeHawke Merrill.

Is it the voice? Not much of a difference, otherwise. Although, I can agree that Male Hawke can't really get much manlier, unless you think "manly" and "stupid" are synonymous, like some "manly" men seem to...

[Torax]

My 3 favorites from ME2 story wise were Tali, Thane and then Samara.

Only from the stand point that part of me thinks a Paragon Shepard is a perfect fit for Samara. They could just travel doing good deeds until they die. Since they have about the same amount of years left.

Tali is an interesting one. The good girl cause the other relationships seem more superficial and just cheaper. Miranda is jealous that he's more perfect than she is? Have to some how fix Jack to not want to kill everyone she sees? Tali just is helpful, loyal and probably just assumed she'd live a long lonely life living up to her father.

But if I play a female shepard I gravitate to Thane. He is just well portrayed to me than the others. Plus my female Shep really can't run off with Samara.

[_Somebody]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Well, as a straight male gamer, I tend to play the straight male... So MaleHawke has never felt too manly for me

Same for me lol

I usually do straight romances. Like when I do a femhawke run, I will probably romance Anders.

Modifié par Somebody, 01 avril 2011 - 02:05 .

[Torax]

For DA2 I prefer the female but that is mostly cause Jo Wyatt did a great job with the Sarcastic to me. It's funny and plus it's not the voice of the guy that raped the Shiani in Origins.

[mesmerizedish]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Is it the voice? Not much of a difference, otherwise. Although, I can agree that Male Hawke can't really get much manlier, unless you think "manly" and "stupid" are synonymous, like some "manly" men seem to...

It is a very manly voice. I'd have preferred something like Alexis Denisof's Wesley Wyndham-Pryce. Soft-spoken men are my faves.

[_Somebody]

Torax wrote...

For DA2 I prefer the female but that is mostly cause Jo Wyatt did a great job with the Sarcastic to me. It's funny and plus it's not the voice of the guy that raped the Shiani in Origins.

Think of it more as the Templar Ser Bryant.