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[Torax]

Somebody wrote...

Torax wrote...

For DA2 I prefer the female but that is mostly cause Jo Wyatt did a great job with the Sarcastic to me. It's funny and plus it's not the voice of the guy that raped the Shiani in Origins.

Think of it more as the Templar Ser Bryant. 

No I refuse. I prefer to think of the guy I killed even in my first how many play throughs cause of how he talked to me while he was in the cell. Once I finally made a City Elf I knew he deserved it every damn time. Every damn time!

[_Somebody]

Your loss. He did a good job as Hawke.

(And for the record I hated Vaughan too.)

[DalishRanger]

I don't tend to let past roles color my opinion of a new character if they share a same voice actor. Though I can recognize Vaughn in Bolton's voice, I just don't hear it in male Hawke. He's just male Hawke to me. And considering the pool of VAs Bioware frequently revisits, I kind of have to learn to seperate certain voices from certain roles, otherwise characters would bleed together a lot across games.

[Torax]

Somebody wrote...

Your loss. He did a good job as Hawke.

(And for the record I hated Vaughan too.)

Oh he did good. I just don't play him as much.

[draken-heart]

 i like the rivalmance myself, a bit more drama, more real than friendship, which seems too perfect

no real life relationship is that perfect, you are bound to disagree with your significant other about one thing or another.

[Torax]

The Rivalmance is more emotional. I do like how for example she turns on you at the camp and then again at the home. It's definitely more volatile. Though they still love each other. Turning her down on things is a mixed bag. I don't want to make her sad.

[Ace Attorney]

I see it more as an elf rapist has Hawke's sexy voice.


Side note: Hmmm...Hawke can have sex with like 6 elves in this game (Blooming Rose ) Elves can't resist the voice!

[_Somebody]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I see it more as an elf rapist has Hawke's sexy voice.


Side note: Hmmm...Hawke can have sex with like 6 elves in this game (Blooming Rose ) Elves can't resist the voice!

Their is not a single female human in that place....

Kirkwallers must like their elves. 

[TMA LIVE]

I haven't played enough of Lady Hawke to make a proper comparison, but from what I've heard I prefer Male Hawke. But she sounds good too.

[_Somebody]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I haven't played enough of Lady Hawke to make a proper comparison, but from what I've heard I prefer Male Hawke. But she sounds good too.

I like her a lot for the sarcastic replies. 

Modifié par Somebody, 01 avril 2011 - 02:21 .

[Torax]

Somebody wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I haven't played enough of Lady Hawke to make a proper comparison, but from what I've heard I prefer Male Hawke. But she sounds good too.

I like her a lot for the sarcastic replies. 

[TMA LIVE]

Somebody wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I haven't played enough of Lady Hawke to make a proper comparison, but from what I've heard I prefer Male Hawke. But she sounds good too.

I like her a lot for the sarcastic replies. 

I like Male Hawke for the more diplomatic and agressive lines.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 02:33 .

[scoke2]

I'm not sure how Hawke agreeing with Merrill on fixing the mirror automatically means that they agree on everything, that doesn't even make any sense. I agree with Merrill on fixing the mirror but tend to not agree with her on other things, like the mages vs templars quests in the first act, and we also tend to not agree on the Feynriel quests. So I don't see Friendmance as too perfect and always agreeable, it's more for me, on this one big fundamental issue, we agree on what she is doing.

[Torax]

scoke2 wrote...

I'm not sure how Hawke agreeing with Merrill on fixing the mirror automatically means that they agree on everything, that doesn't even make any sense. I agree with Merrill on fixing the mirror but tend to not agree with her on other things, like the mages vs templars quests in the first act, and we also tend to not agree on the Feynriel quests. So I don't see Friendmance as too perfect and always agreeable, it's more for me, on this one big fundamental issue, we agree on what she is doing.

Because that is the only subject of said relationship we know about. It's not like you can talk to them much past locked in conversations. Most of hers are all about blood magic or the mirror. Nothing else. Unless you count the like 1 time they sleep together and then one about how she feels out of place in high town. We don't have any depth past that. So one comes across as completely agreeing and being compliant.

You get a quest where she asks you to help her get an item from the Keeper. After you agree even knowing why she wants it. You gave it to her for friendship points right? That is agreement. Even if you don't like it. Meanwhile Rivalry you don't give it and she gets angry. It's a very different conversation than just "I hope you know what you're doing." When she called me a Shemlen my jaw dropped.

[TMA LIVE]

scoke2 wrote...

I'm not sure how Hawke agreeing with Merrill on fixing the mirror automatically means that they agree on everything, that doesn't even make any sense. I agree with Merrill on fixing the mirror but tend to not agree with her on other things, like the mages vs templars quests in the first act, and we also tend to not agree on the Feynriel quests. So I don't see Friendmance as too perfect and always agreeable, it's more for me, on this one big fundamental issue, we agree on what she is doing.

It's mostly where it leads. Technically it shouldn't, but giving her the knife means agree with everything she says. Because just by having the friendship at 80% none of your lines allow you to disagree with her views. Example, after the keeper dies, none of your lines tell Merrill that all this happened because she was practicing things she shouldn't. Instead you're given "It's not your fault", "Dont' drell on it", "The Keeper was stupid". None of these involve saying "Because you probably should've listened to them." Or anything that's an alternate from agreeing with her path. You can't change your views once you're in friendship mode. You're stuck believing she was right, despite maybe having a different opinion by the time that happens.

And even if you do disagree with her during bits of the game, sometimes it's just ignored, because you have more friendship points. Dispite disagreeing with so-so, you're points make them think you agree with them. And that could simply be because you saved lots of mages. I had that problem with Anders.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[Maria Caliban]

DalishRanger wrote...

I don't tend to let past roles color my opinion of a new character if they share a same voice actor.

I do if they sound the same.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DalishRanger wrote...

I don't tend to let past roles color my opinion of a new character if they share a same voice actor.

I do if they sound the same.

Do Vaughan and dudeHawke sound alike?

*can't remember what Vaughan sounds like*

[scoke2]

No I gave it to her because I wanted to help her finish her mirror, friendship and rival points didn't come into it. I don't feel like I'm compliant about anything. She doesn't agree with the way I dealt with mages in the game (for the most part) so I got rivalry points there. Killed the guy killing elves' children and we agreed there. We also agreed during the sister Petrice quest in Act 1 about the way Qunari treated their mages and I got friendship points. But I also lost quite a few points from siding with the mages early in the game. And even if we didn't specifically talk about the treatment of mages one on one, it becomes apparent very early the way she feels about the mages situation. I didn't agree with her on that. So no, we didn't agree on everything and I wasn't compliant and agreeable with her on all subjects. I just tend to love history and believe that History should be preserved and remembered and the eluvian mirror is just another piece of history. One can also find out what Merrill thinks about some things in some of the things she says, especially about mages in general. Which is can also be said for Anders and Fenris. When they talk to me, they only ever talk about mages.

So yeah, I definitely disagree with you about the agreeable and compliant thing with the reasons I said above. And it is not so much that I agree with her using Blood magic and consorting with the demon to fix the mirror. It is more that at this point, that is the only that we know of that can potentially fix the mirror and I pt my faith in Merrill that she would be able to get it done. Thanks to the keeper, at this point, I don't think we would ever know whether Merrill could have or not, but I put my Hawke's faith in her that she could do it. I also play my Hawke as someone who at the beginning of the game wasn't so much against her using blood magic anyways because he didn't think that blood magic was inherently evil. It wasn't until his mother was killed that he turned completely against blood magic. However, He was already in love with Merrill and felt that she had come too far in her attempts to end it.

[mesmerizedish]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's mostly where it leads. Technically it shouldn't, but giving her the knife means agree with everything she says. Because just by having the friendship at 80% none of your lines allow you to disagree with her views. Example, after the keeper dies, none of your lines tell Merrill that all this happened because she was practicing things she shouldn't. Instead you're given "It's not your fault", "Dont' drell on it", "The Keeper was stupid". None of these involve saying "Because you probably should've listened to them." Or anything that's an alternate from agreeing with her path. You can't change your views once you're in friendship mode. You're stuck believing she was right, despite maybe having a different opinion by the time that happens.

And even if you do disagree with her during bits of the game, sometimes it's just ignored, because you have more friendship points. Dispite disagreeing with so-so, you're points make them think you agree with them. And that could simply be because you saved lots of mages. I had that problem with Anders.

Well, that's all because what Merrill's friendship path represents is you agreeing that she isn't doing anything she shouldn't. I don't think you can get to really high friendship with her while telling her she shouldn't be fixing the mirror/doing blood magic, unless you're gaming it or playing weird. I don't think Merrill has enough opportunities to get friendship without telling her she's right.

[Maria Caliban]

DoNotIngest wrote...

For the friendship romance, Merrill is completely in love with Hawke, and Hawke completely supports Merrill. There isn't any drama...

I'm not big on drama in relationships.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I don't think Merrill has enough opportunities to get friendship without telling her she's right.

I believe there are. However, the knife-that-fixes-mirrors is an automatic bump to 75 rivalry if you don't give it to her.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 01 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[TMA LIVE]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's mostly where it leads. Technically it shouldn't, but giving her the knife means agree with everything she says. Because just by having the friendship at 80% none of your lines allow you to disagree with her views. Example, after the keeper dies, none of your lines tell Merrill that all this happened because she was practicing things she shouldn't. Instead you're given "It's not your fault", "Dont' drell on it", "The Keeper was stupid". None of these involve saying "Because you probably should've listened to them." Or anything that's an alternate from agreeing with her path. You can't change your views once you're in friendship mode. You're stuck believing she was right, despite maybe having a different opinion by the time that happens.

And even if you do disagree with her during bits of the game, sometimes it's just ignored, because you have more friendship points. Dispite disagreeing with so-so, you're points make them think you agree with them. And that could simply be because you saved lots of mages. I had that problem with Anders.

Well, that's all because what Merrill's friendship path represents is you agreeing that she isn't doing anything she shouldn't. I don't think you can get to really high friendship with her while telling her she shouldn't be fixing the mirror/doing blood magic, unless you're gaming it or playing weird. I don't think Merrill has enough opportunities to get friendship without telling her she's right.

Yeah, but say you agree with her, and gave her the Knife. And then in Act 3 you learned somethings, and the Keeper was killed. Say you now think what Merrill is doing is wrong. You're screwed. You can't change your view. Hawke agrees with her views on who was to blame.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 03:04 .

[scoke2]

The thing is, I thought that Marethari was stupid and certainly thought that she should have had more faith in Merrill. I also thought her thinking she could beat the demon in the fade showed a certain level of ..erm confidence in her own abilities that she couldn't back up. I certainly don't blame Merrill for the incident because it was the Keeper's choice and a poor one at that. I'm a believer in allowing to be able to succed and fail on their own if they are so inclined, so I disagree on the keeper's course of action.

Modifié par scoke2, 01 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

For the friendship romance, Merrill is completely in love with Hawke, and Hawke completely supports Merrill. There isn't any drama...

I'm not big on drama in relationships.

BioWare are

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I don't think Merrill has enough opportunities to get friendship without telling her she's right.

I believe there are. However, the knife-that-fixes-mirrors is an automatic bump to 75 rivalry if you don't give it to her.

Yeah, I meant taking into account all your rivalry increases for telling her she's wrong. I don't see anyone becoming BFFs with Merrill by telling her how evil blood magic is, even when you say that mages don't suck and you don't hope you have an option to kill them all.

Unless you deliberately avoid situations where the former comes up with her, and bring her to all the ones where the latter does, which goes back to either gaming it or playing weird

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 01 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[mesmerizedish]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but say you agree with her, and gave her the Knife. And then in Act 3 you learned somethings, and the Keeper was killed. Say you now think what Merrill is doing is wrong. You're screwed. You can't change your view. Hawke agrees with her views on who was to blame.

If the Keeper being killed convinces you that what Merrill is doing is wrong, then... uh... I don't have anything nice to say about a character whose mind is changes such

[TMA LIVE]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I believe there are. However, the knife-that-fixes-mirrors is an automatic bump to 75 rivalry if you don't give it to her.

Yeah, the knife choice sets your path in stone. However, before that, despite disagreeing with her, I almost had her locked as friendship, simply because she agreed with whatever my Hawke did during playthroughs. She only went rival when I didn't give her the knife.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 avril 2011 - 03:11 .