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[Big Blue Car]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Planescape and Baldur's Gate are both based in pre-existing fantasy worlds. Worlds that were created by someone else before the respective game developers made video games about them.

Those were worlds unknown to most players which had in any case never been presented as a visual, interactive environment before and who cares anyway, the settings weren't what made those games great if you read the post you are quoting.

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Noilly Prat wrote...

I wish I had played Blood Omen when it first came out. I probably would have loved it. Instead, I recently downloaded it off PSN, and I don't know if I can finish it. It hurts my eyes, like a lot of the blurry, brown games of that era, and the controls and combat feel kind of awful, compared with, say, A Link to the Past.

Does Soul Reaver hold up any better? Anybody?

Well dude I for one was being ironic, Blood Omen is a terrible game and you shouldn't play it. Soul Reaver is better as it actually had an artistic style, but honestly it probably isn't worth playing either. If you want some smart platforming hit up those new Mario games set in space and if you want the vampire thing then just replay Vampire; Bloodlines.

Modifié par Big Blue Car, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:53 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Soul Reaver? Kind of, but it definately does play like a action platformer relic of that time. Personally I would say Blood Omen aged better except for its optimization which was terrible

[Rawgrim]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I am not sure about Merrill...her whole looks seems ...very out of place, with the rest of the characters. Like she is from a different artstyle alltogether.

Merrills style actually looks pretty similiar to that drawn elf in the making of dragon age video.. 

Yeah, she kind of does. Looks wierd since the other characters i have seen seems to have a different style alltogether.

[Dave of Canada]

Addai67 wrote...

Weelll, it just gets a little iffy since some of us made Dalish PCs, so we think we know what our PCs look like and as players put effort into creating them, and now we find out that the devs didn't really want them to look that way as a race. 

I wasn't fussed about the Qunari change, for instance, but I never had a Qunari PC.  Retcon of PC characteristics is different IMO.

So they should keep the entire elf race because a few people played them in the first game? I mean, we're not even going to be seeing our Wardens again (at least not without a helmet) so it shouldn't really be bothersome.

[MoneyDeluxe]

leggywillow wrote...

The Lesser Evil wrote...

What.

There was absolutely nothing distinct about elves in Origins except for their pointed ears, occasional facial tattoos and shorter height. There were several elves that I didn't even recognise as Elves because their ears weren't visible (such as Iona).

This, in terms of their looks.  You can usually tell in-game just because of the limited body models and you come to recognize them quickly, but there was really nothing distinctly different about them at all.  Except for vaguely different ears, they were just petite humans.  In people's avatars on the forums, I can rarely tell humans from elves unless their ears are obviously showing and even then I have to squint to figure out if they're vaguely pointed enough to be elves.

I like the changes, and in some ways I feel like people's negative reactions are a sign that the artists did their jobs.  Think about it: the things we find most attractive are usually the things we find most comfortable and familiar.  Possibly the reason some people find Merril's design as unattractive and weird is because she now has features that are undeniably different from humans (larger eyes, large floppy-looking ears).  And she SHOULD have features like that, because she's NOT human.

This so much.Though I can't understand the notion that her now distinctive elven features somehow make her look uncanny.
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.So really the skepticism seems to boil down to your mentioned fear of the familiar and the fact that we haven't experienced her character for ourselves yet.
Personally I can't wait to get to see her character in the game and love the new elven design

Modifié par MoneyDeluxe, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:56 .

[Ju13es]

for the change in race appearance it is not a big deal for me when it hink about origins. Not all people pf a race fit into their archetype. Its just easier in games to base each one all on one model. I will just imaging my previous elf wardens as variations of the archetype, kind of like my black friend who is only 5'3"

[Addai]

Dave of Canada wrote...
So they should keep the entire elf race because a few people played them in the first game? I mean, we're not even going to be seeing our Wardens again (at least not without a helmet) so it shouldn't really be bothersome.

My elf mage is going to be wearing a helmet? 

Nvm, you find it all hunky dorey, there is no point in discussing it.

[the_one_54321]

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

[Eclipse_9990]

Rawgrim wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I am not sure about Merrill...her whole looks seems ...very out of place, with the rest of the characters. Like she is from a different artstyle alltogether.

Merrills style actually looks pretty similiar to that drawn elf in the making of dragon age video.. 

Yeah, she kind of does. Looks wierd since the other characters i have seen seems to have a different style alltogether.

Well her style doesnt look that different compared to the others, its just that her eyes are large. Take away the eyes and the facial structure kind of looks like some of the npc's.. 
But I kind of like the large eyes.. Its cute, and its the first thing you notice.. 

[Dave of Canada]

Addai67 wrote...

My elf mage is going to be wearing a helmet? 

If the Warden does reappear as a cameo, probably yes. They changed the face morph system, our characters won't look the same regardless of chances in race or no. If the Warden reappears as a cameo, they'd have to obscure the face or make us recreate it.

[Eclipse_9990]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

What!? Turians are awesome, your crazy.. 
If I had the option my Shepard would have been a Turian everytime.. 

[Noilly Prat]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Soul Reaver? Kind of, but it definately does play like a action platformer relic of that time. Personally I would say Blood Omen aged better except for its optimization which was terrible

All right, thanks for the input.  I will probably keep plugging away at Blood Omen for a while, as I do like some of the ideas in it and the setting seems to have promise.  The game could sure use some extra light, though... my eyes would be thankful.

For my part, I have yet to encounter a game in an original setting with world building that can equal Dragon Age and Mass Effect... mostly because most developers don't seem to care much about world building.  Silicon Knights seems to have almost the right idea, but I feel like they stumble a bit with the implementation.  For instance, Eternal Darkness had a lot of attention to detail when it came to minor, insignificant things like the Roman soldiers' hats, but I thought the story didn't really convey an overall narrative cohesiveness or develop any of the characters very well.

[Onyx Jaguar]

how different do they look, they still look like little humans

[MoneyDeluxe]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

Okay but you have to at least acknowledge that your viewpoint is in the minority in the fanbase, all the appreciation threads, youtube vids with high viewcount, fan fics don't lie you know

[tmp7704]

Dave of Canada wrote...

If the Warden does reappear as a cameo, probably yes. They changed the face morph system, our characters won't look the same regardless of chances in race or no. If the Warden reappears as a cameo, they'd have to obscure the face or make us recreate it.

What would be point of trying to hide the fact face isn't the exact same when it's entire body that's being quite drastically changed?

For the "few people who played elves/dwarves", at least.

[the_one_54321]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

What!? Turians are awesome, your crazy.. 
If I had the option my Shepard would have been a Turian everytime..

Romances, friend. Having sex with Tali, Liara, Garrus or Thane is godawful disgusting. Distrubing.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:02 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

What!? Turians are awesome, your crazy.. 
If I had the option my Shepard would have been a Turian everytime.. 

Some people like it hard reaaaaaaaallly hard, only Turians are known to be hard enough

[the_one_54321]

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

Okay but you have to at least acknowledge that your viewpoint is in the minority in the fanbase, all the appreciation threads, youtube vids with high viewcount, fan fics don't lie you know

Very true. And that's what's most disturbing about it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

At least Elves and Dwarves are pretty much just mutated humans, that makes it ok for the lOOOOOOOOVE

[Eclipse_9990]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

What!? Turians are awesome, your crazy.. 
If I had the option my Shepard would have been a Turian everytime..

Romances, friend. Having sex Tali, Liara, Garrus or Thane is godawful disgusting. Distrubing.

Oh... Tali was cute, and Liara was hot.. Your still crazy.. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[the_one_54321]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
At least Elves and Dwarves are pretty much just mutated humans, that makes it ok for the lOOOOOOOOVE

Roughly, yes. Though I still think dwarven love is -worthy. And now maybe elven love will be too.

[MoneyDeluxe]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

Okay but you have to at least acknowledge that your viewpoint is in the minority in the fanbase, all the appreciation threads, youtube vids with high viewcount, fan fics don't lie you know

Very true. And that's what's most disturbing about it.

Live and let live they always say, right?

[Liyros]

When I look at Merril, I instantly think "elf".  When I saw Iona at first gander, it took a moment to process, 'oh, the nice lady is an elf."  So I personally think the new elf design is an improvement.

the_one_54321 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...
I mean we've had with Mass Effect 2 romances with Turian,Drelll and  Quarian; 2 of them aren't even mammals and they were very well recieved.

Not with me. I find that weirdness to be genuinely [copulating] disturbing.

This is a sort of 'weirdness' I'm fine with being called.  Disturbing is a bit strong considering the real messed up stuff that goes on outside the fiction of video games but eh, to each their own.

[tmp7704]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Having sex with Tali, Liara, Garrus or Thane is godawful disgusting. Distrubing.

Very true.

It's Hanar all the way that's one true pairing, people.

[Big Blue Car]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

At least Elves and Dwarves are pretty much just mutated humans, that makes it ok for the lOOOOOOOOVE

Plus they've featured in a single, very particular form in like 60% of all (bad) fantasy writing for the last 3 decades. That gives them a certain class.