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[Blackout62]

Knight of Dane wrote...

ydaraishy wrote...

Hawke even says herself...something along the lines of/very roughly: "Shall we scandalize the neighbours by having my Dalish lover move in"? when you pick the "Move in with me" line...

As i wrote earlier, but this only occurs with a "snarky" personality.

Maker bless the snarky personality, it goes so well with Merrill.

[ydaraishy]

Blackout62 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

ydaraishy wrote...

Hawke even says herself...something along the lines of/very roughly: "Shall we scandalize the neighbours by having my Dalish lover move in"? when you pick the "Move in with me" line...

As i wrote earlier, but this only occurs with a "snarky" personality.

Maker bless the snarky personality, it goes so well with Merrill.

Hawke is the "funny man", Merrill the "straight man". It is indeed perfect.

[Maria Caliban]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Why would Hawke cover it up?

If they value social acceptability.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Why would Hawke cover it up?

If they value social acceptability.

I wonder if anyone's actually played a Hawke that values social acceptability yet.

[Maria Caliban]

My first one did. My human noble Warden was also a devout Andrestian with a traditional mindset. My JE characters were all Open Palm.

I'd say it's the default for my PCs.

[_Somebody]

Any of you guys make Hawke's that were firm Andrastians?

Most of my Wardens were, and asked for the blessing of the priests in the Redcliff and Lothering Chantries.
My Hawke's not so much though.

Modifié par Somebody, 05 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My first one did. My human noble Warden was also a devout Andrestian with a traditional mindset. My JE characters were all Open Palm.

I'd say it's the default for my PCs.

I used to think the Lawful Good archetype was boring. As I grew up, and my real-life views matured, my opinion changed. It's still by no means the "default" for me, though. My "baseline" is actually a lot like how I view Merrill.* Just trying to do the right thing and using the tools in front of her. If she's gotta be a blood mage to do what's best, then that's cool. Her ideas about "what's best" are often much... bigger?... than Merrill's "gotta make the mirror work and also be nice to people!" but the foundations are there.




*see? I can do on-topic stuff too! :happy:

[EDIT] @Somebody: Did you read Maria's post? The one immediately above your own? And no, I've not played a devout Andrastean yet. My Warden was Dalish, and my first Hawke was agnostic, my current an atheist.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 05 avril 2011 - 12:44 .

[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
 @Somebody: Did you read Maria's post? The one immediately above your own? And no, I've not played a devout Andrastean yet. My Warden was Dalish, and my first Hawke was agnostic, my current an atheist.

Well she said her Warden was. Im wondering if anyone else had a Hawke that was. 

I found it a harder to support the Chantry in DA2.

Modifié par Somebody, 05 avril 2011 - 12:51 .

[mesmerizedish]

Somebody wrote...

Well she said her Warden was. Im wondering if anyone else had a Hawke that was. 

I found it a harder to support the Chantry in DA2.

Kirkwall's Chantry was a joke. Elthina needs to keep a closer eye on her Templars. But that shouldn't make it harder to be a devout Andrastean.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 05 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[Maria Caliban]

My mage Hawke was spiritual but not religious. She believed in Andreste and the Maker, but not the Chantry.

My warrior Hawke was the type of person who'd call herself an Andrestean but only celebrated on Christmas Feastday?, held no religious views, and pretty much never thought about it when she was out of the chantry.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I used to think the Lawful Good archetype was boring. As I grew up, and my real-life views matured, my opinion changed. It's still by no means the "default" for me, though. My "baseline" is actually a lot like how I view Merrill.* Just trying to do the right thing and using the tools in front of her. If she's gotta be a blood mage to do what's best, then that's cool. Her ideas about "what's best" are often much... bigger?... than Merrill's "gotta make the mirror work and also be nice to people!" but the foundations are there.

I wouldn't say Lawful Good, though that's what I tend to in cRPGs. In PnP, I also do LN and LE well.

My contention has always been that a well-played LE character is far less problematic for a group of adventurers and tended to do more good overall than a CG one.

I'm not sure I see Merrill as a good person in the usual RPG sense.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 05 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

My mage Hawke was spiritual but not religious. She believed in Andreste and the Maker, but not the Chantry.

My warrior Hawke was the type of person who'd call herself an Andreste but only celebrated on Christmas Feastday?, held no religious views, and pretty much never thought about it when she was out of the chantry.

I'm only really Jewish twice a year.

I wouldn't say Lawful Good, though that's what I tend to in cRPGs. In PnP, I also do LN and LE well.

My contention has always been that a well-played LE character was always far less problematic for a group of adventurers and tended to do more good overall than a CG one.

I absolutely agree. I don't think I could really do the distinction between LN and LG very well, to be honest  I tend to apply alignments retroactively, and if I can play the character well, then I can play the alignment well. But when I was twelve, I thought Chaotic Good was just the absolute ****.

I'm not sure I see Merrill as a good person in the usual RPG sense.

I do. I see her as the kind of person who can't really just ignore bad things that are in front of her. And I think that's the keystone of any "good" alignment.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 05 avril 2011 - 01:05 .

[DoNotIngest]

My Hawke (I) never really bothered thinking about religion. I mean, it doesn't have too much of an effect over how you live in Kirkwall. I asked for Elthina's blessing, but just because I thought I could throw in a witty one-liner.



Edit: Well, somebody's gotta be on topic, and I've been thinking about this. When your mother dies, and Merrill throws in "Or with (insert Elven god of death/afterlife/whatever's name here). You never know.", it might seem like a typically odd Merrill thing to do. But it's quite nice of her, if you think about it, that she's telling you she believes your mother was a good enough person to be with an Elven god, too.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 05 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm only really Jewish twice a year.

What are you the rest of the year?

I'm not sure I see Merrill as a good person in the usual RPG sense.

I do. I see her as the kind of person who can't really just ignore bad things that are in front of her. And I think that's the keystone of any "good" alignment.

I think Merrill's goodness is a product of interacting with Hawke. If it weren't for Hawke, she'd probably be happy to spend her time inside her house studying her books or performing magic while occasionally wandering out for food. Even without the mirror.

[DoNotIngest]

I don't think Merrill's goodness has anything to do with Hawke. You don't think she was sweet before meeting him? If I was in her place, and the clan members were talking to me and treating me the way they did to her, somebody would have wound up with a bloody face pretty fast. She's always been (and always will be; She's pretty solid where niceness is concerned) a kindhearted person.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 05 avril 2011 - 01:30 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What are you the rest of the year?

"Jewish" Like "Catholics" who only attend mass on Christmas and Easter.

I think Merrill's goodness is a product of interacting with Hawke. If it weren't for Hawke, she'd probably be happy to spend her time inside her house studying her books or performing magic while occasionally wandering out for food. Even without the mirror.

I agree with that assessment of her character. But I still think that she wouldn't let someone get murdered right in front of her.

Or I did, until the middle of that sentence, when I remembered her "mugging" conversation. Now, I don't know what to think. I'd like to think of Merrill as someone who wouldn't walk away.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 05 avril 2011 - 01:32 .

[Maria Caliban]

I think 'good' and 'sweet' have nothing to do with one another.

That her clan members treat her in a less than perfect matter and she doesn't give them a blood face doesn't make her a good person. It means she doesn't react violently to others criticizing her.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think 'good' and 'sweet' have nothing to do with one another.

That her clan members treat her in a less than perfect matter and she doesn't give them a blood face doesn't make her a good person. It means she doesn't react violently to others criticizing her.

And I also agree with this. I don't even think "good" and "kind-hearted" have much to do with one another, or even "good" and "kind."

I sometimes enjoy playing "good" characters who are the meanest, most abrasive, most asinine characters at the table.

[Malevolence65]

http://laxlin.devian...4h merrill&qo=5

[Matterialize]

why, ishmael
why did you change your avatar

Also, going back to the same-sex thing: In DA:O there are comments made during the Orzammar plotline regarding Oghren and Branka. I don't remember who said them (it's been ages since I played) but it was basically "Oghren was such a bad husband that his wife sought out a member of her own sex for comfort", referring to Branka and her lover. That implies that it is indeed something out of the ordinary, though not bad by any stretch of the imagination. The same implication is made when Anders asks male Hawke "Does it bother you that I've been with men?"

I certainly think it's a non-issue. Weren't Wade and his "business partner" hinted at being a hilariously gay couple? The guy was a master blacksmith living in downtown Denerim. I doubt anyone really cares about homosexuals in Thedas.

"Shall we scandalize the neighbours by having my Dalish lover move in"?

Man, that is so much better than the line Hawke says if she's more diplomatic. The 'nice' lines in this game are rather boring.

Malevolence, that is awesome.

Modifié par Matterialize, 05 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[mesmerizedish]

Malevolence65 wrote...

*snip*

http://laxlin.devian...4h merrill&qo=5

That is amazing. I think it's the piece of art that most actually looks like Merrill.

Thanks for sharing

Matterialize wrote...

why, ishmael
why did you change your avatar

Because I love Maria, and I don't say it enough.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 05 avril 2011 - 02:09 .

[T huffin and puffin]

Any updates on Merrill Fanfics?

[Zjarcal]

So I got some art commissioned and I thought I'd share...



http://aztarieth.dev...671114#/d3d94or



http://aztarieth.dev...671114#/d3d94xl

By Aztarieth

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 avril 2011 - 05:48 .

[mesmerizedish]

OMIGOODNESS I LOVE IT IT'S SO ADORABLE *swoons*

[Zjarcal]

Hee hee... I wuvz it too. 

[Torax]

I actually do love the Enasalin Set. It looks great in those pictures as well. It's shame how much stronger the champion set is.