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[XX55XX]

Somehow, I get the feeling that women are more likely to produce fanart and write fanfiction than men do. I mean, just look at the amount of fanart for Fenris on Deviantart:

http://browse.devian...ction=&q=fenris

Compared with Merrill:

http://browse.devian...tion=&q=merrill

Granted, some of the "Merrill" fanart doesn't even concern Merrill from Dragon Age 2.

I have chapter one of my fanfic up on FF.net, but it seems to be updating very slowly - I made significant revisions to the first chapter shortly after uploading it, and it seems that these changes have not taken place yet.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Eh. Artistic or not, I'm not comfortable with Merrill nudes. The romance scene in the game made me cringe. I like her for who and what she is, as opposed to anything else. It's not that I have a problem with nude art: far from it. It's just that, for me, my interest in her couldn't be further from that and it sometimes makes me feel that it's undermining that to put the focus on physicality.

Which is silly, given that I do think she looks adorable and I find her first costume physically quite flattering. I guess it's just that when she's clothed, the emphasis is on more than that.

However, should a nude study be produced that was contextually interesting and told me something about Merrill, then I'd have a different opinion about it. For example, one of the reasons the book art is my favorite is because it tells you so much about Merrill and what she values, and it tells you a great deal about her relationship with that particular Lady Hawke.

[_Somebody]

You disliked the romance scene?

Im with you on the nude art though.

[Blackout62]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...

Torax wrote...

I really love the Merrill fan art cause at least most the ones you all post seem to respect her and not objectify her like they do the guys. Granted I assume some of Isabela's art is probably as bad as Fenris & Anders.

Oddly enough enough there are nudes of Merrill kicking around even in this thred but they're all so artful, a few of them make Donatello look like Cranach.

...Derp?


There's only the one "nude" (quotations because she's covering herself in all the right places) pic in this thread, correcto?

True I just wanted to make the clever Reinassance art reference.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Maria's "it took place over three years" explanation made it seem much better, because it otherwise made me cringe how quickly that all went down. She's plainly shy and unused to all this, and the first time she admits feelings, Hawke takes her to bed? By Dumat, what an exploitative little argh! It's even worse if he rejects her (as some players have done).

It's also just weird how she's shyly looking away at one point, and then hungrily kissing Hawke the next. I expected her to be more demure, but then it's entirely possible she has that weird librarian thing going on. I always found that archetype to be creepy, though.

[DalishRanger]

Blackout62 wrote...
Oddly enough enough there are nudes of Merrill kicking around even in this thred but they're all so artful, a few of them make Donatello look like Cranach.

/feels like a nerd for getting that.

DoNotIngest wrote...
1.
Great, now you're making me feel bad that I've not updated my fanfic.
{snip}

Sorry. xD; My comment was aimed at the fandom on a whole, not just this thread.

DoNotIngest wrote...
I like female
Hawke, and I love Merrill&female Hawke fanart/fanfics, but seeing
how I roll with a male Hawke when I romance Merrill (Every playthrough;
What can I say, I like to emulate myself in a game, and I wouldn't be
going for anyone else), I wish there was some male Hawke&Merrill
fanart. I can't recall any besides yours, at the moment (which is A+).

I have nothing against Lady Hawke or her with Merrill; I just see waaaaay more Lady Hawke in any DA2 fan art/fanfiction, and while I like a lot of it, I also roll with a male Hawke most of the time and I can relate to it more, so I'd like to see more of it. But I realize most fan artists/writers are female, including myself - I'm just one of the few oddball female fans that prefers playing male characters and drawing the female companions more than the male ones. DA2's far from the first like that with me.

Also, there is male!Hawke/Merrill art out there outside of my stuff - a few on DA I can think of. But you have to hunt around for them.

DoNotIngest wrote...
2.
Considering I've never had a great relationship with my father (he goes
from loving to volatile so quickly, it's ridiculous), I rarely like
bushy eyebrows. They go fine with a beard, though.

I have a wonderful relationship with my father. However, he does not have busy eyebrows. In fact, until his hair recently started graying and his eyebrows turned white, you usually couldn't see them at all unless ou were up close. I just love facial expressions/body language and I find that thick eyebrows tend to make expressions (serious or silly) more overt. That's partly why I find them appealing. Mind, I don't think everyone looks better with thicker eyebrows, but I do feel a little sad when I see pencil thin eyebrows. :C

But I go off topic again, so... Have a Merrill screencap:


I love when they LIs come to talk to Hawke after "All That Remains" Such a nice touch. <3 Also, I adore Merrill's profile. I think it's the nose.

[Blackout62]

*cheerful as hell for someone getting the comparison* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

You mean how all the new elves have very little if any indentation in the bridge of their nose? It's one of the more alien features of the new elves but it is indeed completely adorable.

Modifié par Blackout62, 10 avril 2011 - 03:32 .

[DoNotIngest]

Blackout62 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...

Torax wrote...

I really love the Merrill fan art cause at least most the ones you all post seem to respect her and not objectify her like they do the guys. Granted I assume some of Isabela's art is probably as bad as Fenris & Anders.

Oddly enough enough there are nudes of Merrill kicking around even in this thred but they're all so artful, a few of them make Donatello look like Cranach.

...Derp?


There's only the one "nude" (quotations because she's covering herself in all the right places) pic in this thread, correcto?

True I just wanted to make the clever Reinassance art reference.

I think you clevered it right over my head!  Quite the feat physically, not so much hypothetically, it seems.



If the previously posted pic of Merrill in this thread counts as nude art, then I really don't mind it. Granted, that's about as nude as I want to see Merrill fanart. I'm quite happy enough with her frolicking around in her (kickass) outfit.



EDIT @ Dalish: I don't mind the pencil thin eyebrows. If Merrill had big fuzzy caterpillars, I'd cry into my pillow until 3am every night for a year and a day

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 10 avril 2011 - 03:32 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

DalishRanger wrote...

Also, I adore Merrill's profile. I think it's the nose.

I agree to these statements both.

[Shadowcat101]

So where is all the Merrill fan art of her in her romance armor, that armor is awesome! Someone is going to have a remedy that… bugger it! I’ll try. Give me a week or two…

[DoNotIngest]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

DalishRanger wrote...

Also, I adore Merrill's profile. I think it's the nose.

I agree to these statements both.

All of her aspects add to it, but her nose is certainly cute in of itself.


"So where is all the Merrill fan art of her in her romance armor, that armor is awesome! Someone is going to have a remedy that… bugger it! I’ll try. Give me a week or two… "


There's not a lot, you see, because The Scarf is absent. Throw the scarf on if you do draw it, okay? Please?

[DalishRanger]

Blackout62 wrote...
*cheerful as hell for someone getting the comparison* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

You mean how all the new elves have very little if any indentation in the bridge of their nose? It's one of the more alien features of the new elves but it is indeed completely adorable.

I blame four years of art history classes.

Yup! I know some people don't like that about the new elf design, but I do. It's different, and I think it looks good in its own, quirky way. I love the new elf designs, particularly their noses. Merrill's is just especially awesome, somehow.

DoNotIngest wrote...
EDIT @ Dalish: I don't mind the
pencil thin eyebrows. If Merrill had big fuzzy caterpillars, I'd cry
into my pillow until 3am every night for a year and a day ../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

I wouldn't call hers pencil thin. Short, yes - but there's weight to them. I'm speaking more in terms of Aveline's. Though I do wish Merrill's eyebrows were perhaps longer, I wouldn't want her to have eyebrows like Fenris. Those wouldn't suit her.

[DoNotIngest]

DalishRanger wrote...

Blackout62 wrote...
*cheerful as hell for someone getting the comparison* ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

You mean how all the new elves have very little if any indentation in the bridge of their nose? It's one of the more alien features of the new elves but it is indeed completely adorable.

I blame four years of art history classes.

Yup! I know some people don't like that about the new elf design, but I do. It's different, and I think it looks good in its own, quirky way. I love the new elf designs, particularly their noses. Merrill's is just especially awesome, somehow.

DoNotIngest wrote...
EDIT @ Dalish: I don't mind the
pencil thin eyebrows. If Merrill had big fuzzy caterpillars, I'd cry
into my pillow until 3am every night for a year and a day ../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

I wouldn't call hers pencil thin. Short, yes - but there's weight to them. I'm speaking more in terms of Aveline's. Though I do wish Merrill's eyebrows were perhaps longer, I wouldn't want her to have eyebrows like Fenris. Those wouldn't suit her.

Thick and bushy eyebrows don't really work romantically for me at all (seeing as I'm interested in women). Really, anything thick doesn't really suit Merrill; I love how lithe everything about her seems, without making her look too thin. She doesn't look underweight to me at all, quite the opposite, she looks natural.

[DalishRanger]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Thick and bushy eyebrows don't really work romantically for me at all (seeing as I'm interested in women). Really, anything thick doesn't really suit Merrill; I love how lithe everything about her seems, without making her look too thin. She doesn't look underweight to me at all, quite the opposite, she looks natural.

There are women with thicker eyebrows I would call attractive, partly because of the eyebrows. But, as aforementioned, much as I like thick eyebrows in general, they don't work for everyone. And while I might not like thin eyebrows by themselves, I do think they fit certain designs. Aveline's, for instance - while her eyebrows by themselves irk me, I like them on her because the contrast of her strong features and personality with such "weak" eyebrows is an interesting clash to me, that I think works well for a little contrast.

And I agree with Merrill, which is partly why I say thick eyebrows wouldn't suit her; she's a lithe thing, and features that go with that suit her more. I can't say I find them romantically attractive, as I'm not interested in other women that way... But, from a pure character design standpoint, I love it. I'm big on character design and variety in body types/facial features.

Edited for typos. I'm making a lot of those this week. Boo.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 10 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Merrill's nose is pretty cute. Not the cutest in DA, though--that honor belongs to either the archdemon or the high dragon. She's next, though.

[DalishRanger]

It is rather hard to compete with dragons. If you disagree, they'll eat you. Or start another Blight.

[Emperor Iaius I]

What? They are gentle, loving creatures.

[DalishRanger]

True. Your avatar does look positively huggable.

[DoNotIngest]

Hmm, I think I'll have to disagree; I just don't have a thing for spikey noses. Probably why I like Merrill's so much



Dalish, do you happen to have a "thing" for baldness?  (just screwing around)

[broutefoin]

DalishRanger wrote...

*snip*

3. That grayscale Merrill fan art
is looking great! To the artist, I say you have a much better memory
than I do. And better painting skills. Bravo, can't wait to see it
finished.

*snip*

5.
More fan art. This was a stupid idea I had a while back and couldn't
resist indulging in while taking a break between my schoolwork and other
art projects:

*snip*

Thanks!

I love that comic, captured Merrill's character perfectly, thank you for the laugh :happy:

*edit* fixed quote box

Modifié par broutefoin, 10 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[mesmerizedish]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Dalish, do you happen to have a "thing" for baldness?  (just screwing around)

She has a thing for "flaws" (blech!).

Guise, why doesn't gen_im_fla_merril_01.uti show up when I equip it in-game?!?!?!

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 10 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Torax wrote...

I think my Lady Hawke is biased to Merrill's raspy tongue.

I am so glad this misplaced response is approaching fanon.

I'm not sure how I feel about Merrill's raspy tongue itself, but it's good the community has accepted it.

[broutefoin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Torax wrote...

I think my Lady Hawke is biased to Merrill's raspy tongue.

I am so glad this misplaced response is approaching fanon.

I'm not sure how I feel about Merrill's raspy tongue itself, but it's good the community has accepted it.

I know where it is gotten, (on the Loose, Emile Delauncet)  but I've never actually heard it, any video laying around? 

which option prompts this responce?

thanks.

[Emperor Iaius I]

DalishRanger wrote...

True. Your avatar does look positively huggable.

Absolutely. See the little on its (his? her?) snout? I would have much preferred to give the archdemon a huge hug at the end. The high dragon, too. They're both this majestic shade of purple. Obviously intelligent, thinking creatures too.

Actually, on that note: http://www.fanfictio...e_for_Urthemiel (terribly short, but fantastic!)

I always feel sad at the end. The archdemon, in many ways, is your first true companion. Yes, you meet Alistair first but he barely talks to you until after Ostagar, whereas you have your first conversation with the archdemon after your Joining. He/she/it is always talking to you, and you dream of the Old God of Beauty after Lothering. siiiigh.

As for the gender thing: male dragons are supposedly drakes, and High Dragons are all female. The Old Gods are supposedly ancient high dragons of incredible power: but the archdemons are referred to with a male pronoun. Curious.

ish asked

Guise, why doesn't gen_im_fla_merril_01.uti show up when I equip it in-game?!?!?!

Various reasons. Tell me what exactly you're trying to do, and I'll tell you. Do YOU want to wear it, or do you want to revert Merrill do the scarf?

Modifié par Emperor Iaius I, 10 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[DalishRanger]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Dalish, do you happen to have a "thing" for baldness?  (just screwing around)

Nope! Kenley's one of my few bald characters (and the only one if we're just counting characters I make in video games). It was just a character design concept I wanted to explore. If I have a "thing" for anything when it comes to character creation (aside from facial hair in most men), it's creating little physical flaws and imperfections. Even for the ones who are physically fit/"good looking." Things that make people more human. Or, rather "human" as some of my characters are fantasy creatures. But you get the idea. I find imperfect heroes (both in personality and physically) more interesting and relateable than perfect, idealized ones.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
She has a thing for "flaws" (blech!).

This.
(Haha, I love you, Ishmael. xD Even if we have very different personal preferences. )

Emperor Iaius I wrote...
As
for the gender thing: male dragons are supposedly drakes, and High
Dragons are all female. The Old Gods are supposedly ancient high dragons
of incredible power: but the archdemons are referred to with a male
pronoun. Curious.

Hm. A good point. I knew about the drake = male thing, but for some reason didn't connect it to the archdemon. That is curious. Maybe the male Old Gods are just unusually large drakes, but since they look more like dragons, everyone assumes they are?

Modifié par DalishRanger, 10 avril 2011 - 04:31 .