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[Blackout62]

Upon further thinking Merrill does say it's been "over a decade" since she's seen her parents. That would mean that if Arlathvenn are every 10 years then Merrill didn't see her parents at the last one, which while depressing is not my point. This line of dialogue actually keeps her age a question but as Lenimph said definitely not 14. Technically she could be 15 in act 1 and the last meeting was the year before DA:O. More reasonably she could be 23 and the next Arlathvenn would be the year after she leaves her clan, which is one again also depressing when you think about it.

Modifié par Blackout62, 23 avril 2011 - 02:33 .

[tmp7704]

Blackout62 wrote...

This line of dialogue actually keeps her age a question but as Lenimph said definitely not 14. She could be 23 and the next Arlathvenn would be the year after she leaves her clan.

DA2 is supposed to span over 6 years after meeting Merrill and there's no mention about attending any meetings in this time, so that may help to narrow things down -- at the time you meet Merrill it's anywhere between 0-4 years from the last meeting which she'd attend at age of 14. So she could be anything between 14-18 at the beginning and 20-24 at the end?

Alternatively you could presume Merrill has attended two meetings and is anywhere between 24-28 at the start... but that doesn't really seem very plausible.

It's probably something that wasn't really planned in this sort of detail, anyway.

[Lenimph]

That is too young *points to previous post*
Mahariel went to 2 clan gatherings
The first when she was little when they got Merrill (Merrill was 4) as Marethari's apprentice and the second when she was old enough to be recognized by Velanna.

Modifié par Lenimph, 23 avril 2011 - 02:38 .

[Maria Caliban]

halokitty wrote...

Wow... It's really hard seeing Merrill as four years older than Hawker, or even Bethany. Maybe her social awkwardness and unfamiliarity with humans accounts for her seeming much younger.

Merrill might be older. At the beginning of the game.

Merrill: 23
Hawke: 20-23
Bethany/Carver: 19

[bleetman]

Lenimph wrote...

bleetman wrote...
Which, I imagine, is why Mahariel's parents weren't approved of.

They were of two different clans... it didn't have to do with magic  
If elves with magic could only screw other elves with magic you would have the keeper ... marrying other keepers... which isn't how it works.

I suppose. But I can imagine a scattered society - whose leadership all appear to have magical talent (are picked for the role because of it, even), a talent which is being steadily lost with each generation - prefering that those with magic have children with others of magic. Ups the odds, and all that.

But this is true.

Modifié par bleetman, 23 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[TEWR]

I just stumbled across a sexy Merrill pic. NSFW. (well, depends on where you work) but she's striking a nude art pose, without showing anything.

[LobselVith8]

Marcin R wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Does the latest patch allow Hawke to have the "talk" with Varric about Merrill?

1.02 fixed one of the bugs affecting the conversation (messed up conversation links... pre1.02 Varric would start off talking about Merrill and end up talking about Fenris, if memory serves), but did not actually fix the bug that stops the conversation from triggering altogether.

this may be a little offtopic -but... if they [BW] were able to make [in patch 1.02] grenades and such orderable post-campagin from house then why couldn't  they allow Merrill to stay in Hawke's estate?

I managed to get Merrill in the estate after the campaign by going to the door, bringing up her character, but cancelling the travel to the Black Emporium. Merrill ended up appearing next to the door.

[tmp7704]

Lenimph wrote...

That is too young *points to previous post*
Mahariel went to 2 clan gatherings
The first when she was little when they got Merrill (Merrill was 4) as Marethari's apprentice and the second when she was old enough to be recognized by Velanna.

How does it make Merrill too young? The first meeting Mahariel has attended Merrill was 4 and was handed over to Mahariel's clan. Then the second meeting is the one Merrill would attend as well, as the age of 14. I'm not sure why any of that would set any further requirements about Merrill's age...

[Maria Caliban]

Why would the Dalish of all people be producing fewer mages?

tmp7704 wrote...

How does it make Merrill too young? The first meeting Mahariel has attended Merrill was 4 and was handed over to Mahariel's clan. Then the second meeting is the one Merrill would attend as well, as the age of 14. I'm not sure why any of that would set any further requirements about Merrill's age...

There's probably a resistance to having initiated a romance with a 14-year-old there.

That said, would the Dalish consider a 14-year-old an adult? She has her blood writing.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 avril 2011 - 02:49 .

[TEWR]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why would the Dalish of all people be producing fewer mages?

they discovered all-natural condoms and birth control?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 avril 2011 - 02:44 .

[bleetman]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why would the Dalish of all people be producing fewer mages?

Not a clue. It's just something mentioned in the codex.

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why would the Dalish of all people be producing fewer mages?

It's all the lyrium in the water. It makes humans produce more mages so that clearly happens by taking the magic from the Dalish.

[TEWR]

http://agregor.devia...rrill-203810023


here's the link to the NSFW (I think. I don't know if this falls into that area.) nude art Merrill for anyone that's interested.

at the very least you can marvel at how awesome it is. And it was button free!

[Lenimph]

tmp7704 wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

That is too young *points to previous post*
Mahariel went to 2 clan gatherings
The first when she was little when they got Merrill (Merrill was 4) as Marethari's apprentice and the second when she was old enough to be recognized by Velanna.

How does it make Merrill too young? The first meeting Mahariel has attended Merrill was 4 and was handed over to Mahariel's clan. Then the second meeting is the one Merrill would attend as well, as the age of 14. I'm not sure why any of that would set any further requirements about Merrill's age...

Only assuming her parents are dead. Which doesnt seem to be the case. Because she didn't specifically say that she didn't see them at the gathering just that she hadn't seem them in over 10 years. (It's possible the gathering was supposed to happen but the blight made it impossible)

Plus the Warden can be younger then Merrill (and probably is because waiting 10 years for an apprentice seems unlikely).... my warden was not 12 at the start of DA:O <_<

Modifié par Lenimph, 23 avril 2011 - 03:00 .

[bleetman]

tmp7704 wrote...

How does it make Merrill too young? The first meeting Mahariel has attended Merrill was 4 and was handed over to Mahariel's clan. Then the second meeting is the one Merrill would attend as well, as the age of 14. I'm not sure why any of that would set any further requirements about Merrill's age...

I got the impression she was older than that, too. Perhaps I'm simply looking through human eyes, so to speak, but it was my impression Dalish recieved their tatoo/blood writing at adult status, which doesn't say 'I recieved mine before I was thirteen years old' to me.

Or maybe it's just wishful thinking. I'd really rather she wasn't fourteen in act one, for more reasons than I care to go into

[TEWR]

bleetman wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

How does it make Merrill too young? The first meeting Mahariel has attended Merrill was 4 and was handed over to Mahariel's clan. Then the second meeting is the one Merrill would attend as well, as the age of 14. I'm not sure why any of that would set any further requirements about Merrill's age...

I got the impression she was older than that, too. Perhaps I'm simply looking through human eyes, so to speak, but it was my impression Dalish recieved their tatoo/blood writing at adult status, which doesn't say 'I recieved mine before I was thirteen years old' to me.

Or maybe it's just wishful thinking. I'd really rather she wasn't fourteen in act one, for more reasons than I care to go into

well, Hawke does have the http://www.youtube.c...S0g8pG6HU]beard[/url]

edit: how come every time I do the link as a word thing, it only opens up a blank page when I want to check to make sure it worked? What am I doing wrong?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[thesuperdarkone]

 Too many ponies have taken over the Merrill thread. Sektor will stop these intruders. FOR THE LIN KUEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tmp7704]

Lenimph wrote...

Only assuming her parents are dead. Which doesnt seem to be the case. Because she didn't specifically say that didn't see them at the gathering.

Well, since gatherings take time every 10 years the only way she could not see them for longer than that is by not meeting them at such gathering. That doesn't necessarily mean they're dead, nor would she really need to specify she hadn't seen them there, imo. Especially since it'd then result in some rather awkward construction along the lines "i haven't seen my parents at last gathering so that makes it more than ten years total"? Weird, even for Merrill.

Plus the Warden can be younger then Merrill.... my warden was not 12 at the start of DA:O 

Does DAO begin immediately after the clan meeting? It coould well be few years since then, and that would bump your Warden up to reasonable age.

edit: like, say: meeting with Merrill at 14 -> 2-3 years pass -> DAO happens -> +1 year, Hawke meets Merrill who is 17-18 at this point -> still 6 years till the next meeting and rest of DA2 happens in this time.

Modifié par tmp7704, 23 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[Blackout62]

Yeah I think we can all agree that Bioware, no matter how wicked they are, wouldn't write an LI that at any point in romantic goings-on would be what the Western world would recognize as under the age of consent

Edit in response to timeline in above post: That would make sense, in act 3 one of the Dalish elves (the one who helps you with the Zevran quest) says how they're still hoping to receive Halla from another clan.

Modifié par Blackout62, 23 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

halokitty wrote...

Wow... It's really hard seeing Merrill as four years older than Hawker, or even Bethany. Maybe her social awkwardness and unfamiliarity with humans accounts for her seeming much younger.

Merrill might be older. At the beginning of the game.

Merrill: 23
Hawke: 20-23
Bethany/Carver: 19

Yeah... I know that Hawke's age is dependent on who's playing her, so I didn't want to say "Merrill is definitely older." I said almost certainly, because I think most people would age their Hawkes under what we deduce Merrill's age to be, simply because Hawke's spread of possible ages is so broad, and Merrill is at the very zenith of that spread.

[Maria Caliban]

Lenimph wrote...

Plus the Warden can be younger then Merrill (and probably is because waiting 10 years for an apprentice seems unlikely).... my warden was not 12 at the start of DA:O <_<

"Next on the Jerry Springer show, a 27-year-old apostate who seduced the 13-year-old Grey Warden for her demonic, blood magic baby."

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Yeah... I know that Hawke's age is dependent on who's playing her, so I didn't want to say "Merrill is definitely older." I said almost certainly, because I think most people would age their Hawkes under what we deduce Merrill's age to be, simply because Hawke's spread of possible ages is so broad, and Merrill is at the very zenith of that spread.

Hawke's ages spread doesn't seem broad to me. I messed up the numbers though; thanks for not pointing it out.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 avril 2011 - 03:16 .

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

"Next on the Jerry Springer show, a 27-year-old apostate ex-bard and Chantry dropout who seduced the 13-year-old Grey Warden for her demonic, blood magic baby."

fixed.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Hawke's ages spread doesn't seem broad to me. I messed up the numbers though; thanks for not pointing it out.

I didn't even realize they were messed up

I thought that saying "so broad" might raise eyebrows, but I mean relatively. The twins are definitely 18 in the prologue. There's no spread at all. Hawke can be anywhere from 19 to 23.

[Lenimph]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Plus the Warden can be younger then Merrill (and probably is because waiting 10 years for an apprentice seems unlikely).... my warden was not 12 at the start of DA:O <_<

"Next on the Jerry Springer show, a 27-year-old apostate who seduced the 13-year-old Grey Warden for her demonic, blood magic baby."

 

"Ex-chantry sister seduces a 13 year old Dalish girl and becomes the left hand of the Divine Justinia V" 
My warden even has pigtails.... 
http://t1.gstatic.co...Gsdw4TvOC0_&t=1

Modifié par Lenimph, 23 avril 2011 - 03:23 .