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[AgelessTimeless]

I just like friending her. More fun and easier in my opinion. My characters tend to like mages. lol

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I've heard a lot of people on this forum say they think the rival path is better for Merrill but I feel better for killing her whole idiotic clan.

[AgelessTimeless]

Rivaling her makes me feel like a ---. It's like kicking a puppy or something.

[Big_Chief]

Oh, I'm not saying the rivalmance path is better, necessarily. I'm just saying that if I ever want to see what the rival scenes are like, I don't have to be a jerk to get them. I'm actually still not sure which path I think is best, or which I want to be my "canon" playthrough. Mostly because while I don't think blood magic is inherently evil, and I support finding out more about elven history, I find demons shady and I think Merrill should probably trust them a bit less. Although I also think that ultimately it's her choice to make. So I'm leaning towards friendmance, I'm just a bit conflicted about it.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Hawke: but only because you used that "you kicked my puppy" voice.

As much as I might like Isabela's big boats I can't help but be tempted by Merrill's adorable awkwardness.

[AgelessTimeless]

Adorable, cute, funny, I take that over s---- pirate with an ugly mole/piercing thing that makes me gag every time there's a cutscene.

[_Somebody]

I usually rivalmance her. I have a lot of friendship with her though up until I keep the knife. (I always supported mages, I would only get rivalry when I said things against blood magic and demons).

Modifié par Somebody, 24 avril 2011 - 09:20 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

AgelessTimeless wrote...

Adorable, cute, funny, I take that over s---- pirate with an ugly mole/piercing thing that makes me gag every time there's a cutscene.

When I played the demo of DA2 I was sure I was gonna romance Isabela (mostly because I didn't expect another girl on girl romance option)  but then I met the adorable Welsh elf *swoon*

[bleetman]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't really get how people can think Merrill is stupid and wrong about blood magic when there is no evidence to say blood magic is bad.

I must've imagined that time a blood mage binds demons to several body parts and raises them as a cohesive, undead whole in a mad quest to rebuild his long dead wife. He could've murdered his victims regardless of whether he was a blood mage, sure. The demons and necromancy part? Not so much.

My problem with the 'blood magic is like a gun, it's just a tool. You don't blame the tool' argument is that yes, that is true. But see, I could easily use one to violently murder several people at once. That would be my responsibility, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question accessibility to something so unprecedentedly dangerous, tool or not.

...

/something about Merrill

Modifié par bleetman, 24 avril 2011 - 10:02 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I'm not sure I get blood magic though. When I played through as a mage I chose blood magic (because spirit healer sounded boring) and there were no negative consequences, Hawke didn't even have to deal with a demon to learn it (though she did deal with a demon for 6 attribute points). As far as I can see from playing as a blood mage it just involves using health instead of mana for spells. When ever people are on about the demon side of blood magic I don't know what they're on about.

[_Somebody]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I'm not sure I get blood magic though. When I played through as a mage I chose blood magic (because spirit healer sounded boring) and there were no negative consequences, Hawke didn't even have to deal with a demon to learn it (though she did deal with a demon for 6 attribute points). As far as I can see from playing as a blood mage it just involves using health instead of mana for spells. When ever people are on about the demon side of blood magic I don't know what they're on about.

Thats for gameplay purposes. I believe that lore wise you make a deal with a demon for blood magic/to learn it.

Modifié par Somebody, 24 avril 2011 - 10:11 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

So more like on Origins where you have to learn it from the desire demon? It would have made sense if Hawke had to learn specialisations and if party members would comment on them. I liked using sacrifice on Anders since he kept complaining about Merrill's blood magic and never said anything about Hawke.

[Northern Sun]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

This video is lengthy, but I love hearing Merrill's battle cries. (I even heard some I didn't hear in-game.)

"I'm going to taunt you in Elven now."

Aw Merrill.

[bleetman]

I wouldn't equate game mechanic presentation with intricacies of the backsetting, the two are so poorly connected in DA2 it's a wonder they coexist at all.

Origins handled it far better for the most part. For the record, unlocking the blood mage specialisation there required the warden, as a mage, to enter the fade and strike a bargain with a desire demon to learn blood magic in exchange for allowing it to possess a certain child at an undetermined time of its choosing.

Other than that, blood magic reportedly allows manipulation of blood and life force, allowing control of the mind or body, sacrificing the lives of others for personal power and forcing possession by demons on others, living or dead. It's more than a little shady.

Modifié par bleetman, 24 avril 2011 - 10:21 .

[silver-crescent]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

AgelessTimeless wrote...

Adorable, cute, funny, I take that over s---- pirate with an ugly mole/piercing thing that makes me gag every time there's a cutscene.

When I played the demo of DA2 I was sure I was gonna romance Isabela (mostly because I didn't expect another girl on girl romance option)  but then I met the adorable Welsh elf *swoon*

I meant my sarcastic female f!Rogue to romance Isabela too, but now I'm really torn between her and Merrill. The dilemma 

[Dr. Doctor]

Choosing to use blood magic is sort of a slippery slope. Being able to have access to just a little bit more power through it leads to the desire for more, one thing follows another and then you get demons offering you power in exchange for a ride in your skull.

Demons only seem to get involved in the major stuff. Raising the dead, summoning demons, turning into an abomination, that sort of stuff. The phylacteries that the Templars use to track mages actually involves a minor bit of blood magic.

[Knight of Dane]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Choosing to use blood magic is sort of a slippery slope. Being able to have access to just a little bit more power through it leads to the desire for more, one thing follows another and then you get demons offering you power in exchange for a ride in your skull.

Demons only seem to get involved in the major stuff. Raising the dead, summoning demons, turning into an abomination, that sort of stuff. The phylacteries that the Templars use to track mages actually involves a minor bit of blood magic.

Minor? When it uses blood isn't that as blood-magic'ish it gets? 

[Sarcastic Tasha]

@silver-crescent Hawke can always have girly fun with Isabela without involving feelings and then move on to Merrill. (I was happy being able to romance Leliana in Origins or Liara in Mass Effect but DA2 has left me spoilt for choice)

@Dr. Doctor blood magic probably is a slippery slope, first Hawke is using blood magic next she's selling out Feynriel for 6 attribute points. Then she's slaughtering the dalish for not agreeing with her. Really got no room to criticise Merrill.

[Maria Caliban]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

On my 3rd playthough and struggling to rival Merrill. I can easily roleplay a **** that turns Feynriel into an abomination but roleplaying a pro templar warrior that is harsh to Merrill makes me feel guilty.

Be nice to her and then swipe her magical carving knife. Then go on the quest where you destroy all the books!

AgelessTimeless wrote...

Adorable, cute, funny, I take that over s---- pirate with an ugly mole/piercing thing that makes me gag every time there's a cutscene.

Hey now, this is not the Isabela dissing thread. Notice the lack of 'Fenris' in the title?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[AgelessTimeless]

I use blood magic with my mage hawk because it is effective and allows a larger mana pool for a caster who hangs back from the fight. And my hawk is a complete good guy despite that.

Why criticize Merrill anyway? It isn't like she actually did anything bad with blood magic, hell she probably uses it for a better purpose than my character, Hawk just kills stuff, she tried to help her people.

[Darth Caedus]

I see blood magic as a slippery slope with a very fine line between "good" and evil. It can be used for good purposes like helping restore elven history or diagnosing possession, or it can be used for evil things like mind control or creating zombie moms. Also, i think that once you use blood magic, it would be very difficult to stop. You'd think "oh, i can use blood magic just this once," or "i'm helping people with this, i can use it more often."

[TheAcklay]

Edit: Neither meant to post this on this thread or even on this site, really having an off day today.

Modifié par TheAcklay, 25 avril 2011 - 02:48 .

[LobselVith8]

Somebody wrote...

Thats for gameplay purposes. I believe that lore wise you make a deal with a demon for blood magic/to learn it.

Since Jowan apparently learned it from books in the library and the Orlesian Warden can learn it from a book in Amaranthine, that isn't the case. Even Anders asks Merrill if she learned blood magic on her own.

[Paraxial]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Somebody wrote...

Thats for gameplay purposes. I believe that lore wise you make a deal with a demon for blood magic/to learn it.

Even Anders asks Merrill if she learned blood magic on her own.

To which she says she contacted the 'spirit' for help in the matter. Blood magic does not necessarily have to be taught to one by a demon, but all Blood Magic is derived from someone who came into contact with a demon at some point.

[Esbatty]

Chapter 7 of my Merrill fic.