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[Giggles_Manically]

Why the Keeper didnt go up to Hawke and ask him and company to put the demon down I dont know.

Hell by that point I had done it to scores of demons.

[E57 C4lib3r]

will she be in DA3?

[Fieryeel]

And thanks to you Merrill shippers throwing ponies in my face, now I am a Brony too.

The only thing I look forward to after school and work is a new ep of My Little Pony.

[mesmerizedish]

[tmp7704]

[bleetman]

Ponies. Wonderful. I'm awaiting the next season (and there had better be a next season) with a mix of equal parts anticipation and dread usually reserved for World of Warcraft expansions. I had thought such a feeling was lost to me

Collider wrote...

In letting herself get possessed, Marethari ensured that the demon would reach the outside world.
Definitely endangered the clan there more than anything Merrill did.

Whether you believe her or not (which I'm inclined to, though I've seen plenty of people argue otherwise) Marethari's convinced that Merrill will unintentionally release it, getting possessed in the process. Her voluntary possession was a final gambit to save Merrill's life, not keeping Audacity locked away.

There's probably better ways to do that, but hey. Melodrama, woo.

Modifié par bleetman, 08 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[Wulfram]

The implication I got was that the demon would be harder to defeat if it came fully into the world through the mirror, rather than using the more normal route of possession.

[Torax]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

But the demon was already trapped. All that was needed was simply preventing Merrill from going near the statue, and it would have no means of escaping or possessing anyone. Unless Marethari believed that it would escape through the mirror once Merrill finished it? How could it be able to do that if it was bound within a statue?

Maybe she used a specific type of ancient spell to trap the demon in her. As in ripping it from the statue and the fade. So that when she dies it was destroyed for good. It was dangerous in that statue. It was calling to Merrill and Marethari. She knew this and used a gambit to end it for good. To save Merrill from herself. It basically adds a bit of demons are bad and blood magic drama to be in the context of Act 3. Like we weren't already flooded with it in Act 2 already.

Overflow of crap like the mother's death. Merrill being a demon lover. Grace who you can't kill until Act 3. List goes on and on. All just for the player to maybe swallow siding with Meredith and her "ALL MAGES MUST DIE!!!!" argument compared to Orsino's "WE DIDN'T BLOW THAT BUILDING UP!!!" Mean while the player is face palming...

[bleetman]

It bothered me a little that you can't be all that pro-circle without also being pro-templar. It's possible to think the circles of magi are generally a good idea without also supporting that band of incompetent zealot rapists.

[Malevolence65]

Was the Friendly Concern quest fixed for Merrill with the patch?

[Giggles_Manically]

Heard it was.

Seems that it triggers POST All that Remains.

[danteliveson]

Was there ever a talk with Merrill regarding the sibling death??

[RangerSG]

danteliveson wrote...

Was there ever a talk with Merrill regarding the sibling death??

Yes there was and still is, and I can confirm Friendly Concern triggers now. I can't remember if it was pre or postAll That Remains for me. But it was after the chat w/ Isabella.

[Maria Caliban]

bleetman wrote...

It's possible to think the circles of magi are generally a good idea without also supporting that band of incompetent zealot rapists.

That's Tevinter.

Templars - specifically non-mages who are trained to defeat mages - need to exist. And the best place for them to be, in general, would be the Circles.

At this point in Thedas' history, I don't think they could exist as a multinational, secular organization. The Chantry is the only group that's wealthy enough to support the Templars and wide spread enough that it can operate efficiently in most nations.

You could also have a situation where each nation has its own group of Templars but then you have to account for politics.

The real problem is that we've only seen the Templars in a fail state. After DA:O and DA II, the Templars appear to be about as useful as Stormtroopers. Not only can they not do their job, they seem to make everything worse.

[Esbatty]

bleetman wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

I'd really like to see someone come up with a dialogue for this.

Over to you, Esbatty.

Whoa whoa whoa... I'm not a dialogue machine.

...

But I *AM* a love machine

[Collider]

Whether you believe her or not (which I'm inclined to, though I've seen plenty of people argue otherwise) Marethari's convinced that Merrill will unintentionally release it, getting possessed in the process. Her voluntary possession was a final gambit to save Merrill's life, not keeping Audacity locked away.

Of course, I know that Marethari's intent was benign. But I don't think it was wise.
The demon's physical form was powerful and itself threatened Merrill's life.
I got the impression that Marethari knew far less about spirits than Merrill did.
Merrill knows not to automatically trust spirits. It's very possible that she'd go to the statue and refuse the spirit, thus averting the crisis in the first place.

[bleetman]

Maria Caliban wrote...

bleetman wrote...

It's possible to think the circles of magi are generally a good idea without also supporting that band of incompetent zealot rapists.

That's Tevinter.

Templars - specifically non-mages who are trained to defeat mages - need to exist. And the best place for them to be, in general, would be the Circles.

At this point in Thedas' history, I don't think they could exist as a multinational, secular organization. The Chantry is the only group that's wealthy enough to support the Templars and wide spread enough that it can operate efficiently in most nations.

Right, but that's not what I was referring to. I mean the way in which the game inherently forces you to be pro-circle by being anti-mage and supporting the templars. Not in a general 'templars are needed' kind of way, which I'd mostly agree with, but specifically in their rambling 'blarbabghargh mages aren't people!' stances.

For instance, you can refuse to help Grace escape for whatever reason - I generally go with 'you want me to murder possibly the only sympathetic templar in Kirkwall? No, no thank you' - escort them outside to be returned to the circle, but only do so by handing them over to the frothing cretin who wants to execute the lot of them and makes no attempt to hide that. There's just seems to be no middle ground.

On another note, I do so love this particular moment, even if I tend to finish All That Remains first. Everyone Hawke loves is right here. Problem solved!

Modifié par bleetman, 10 juin 2011 - 07:35 .

[inquartata02]

For instance, you can refuse to help Grace escape for whatever reason - I generally go with 'you want me to murder possibly the only sympathetic templar in Kirkwall? No, no thank you' - escort them outside to be returned to the circle, but only do so by handing them over to the frothing cretin who wants to execute the lot of them and makes no attempt to hide that. There's just seems to be no middle ground.

That moment bothered me, too. I think I was able to tell her I was sure I could talk them out of it, and she was all "haha, I'll believe that when it happens" and we went flouncing out to try anyway. It worked, mostly because Varric is awesome and sends Bad Templars on a wild goose chase. But, otherwise, I reacted very much like you, with "why am I going to kill one of the nicest, most decent templars I know?!" I mean, with Thrask, he's not just a decent templar, but a fundamentally decent man. But, well, we all know how that thing with Grace turns out. *sigh*

On another note, I do so love this particular moment, even if I tend to finish All That Remains first. Everyone Hawke loves is right here. Problem solved!

I also love that moment, except for the liver spot on the hand. Freckles, moles, all fine and good. Hawke is too young for liver spots.

Modifié par inquartata02, 10 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[Torax]

inquartata02 wrote...

For instance, you can refuse to help Grace escape for whatever reason - I generally go with 'you want me to murder possibly the only sympathetic templar in Kirkwall? No, no thank you' - escort them outside to be returned to the circle, but only do so by handing them over to the frothing cretin who wants to execute the lot of them and makes no attempt to hide that. There's just seems to be no middle ground.

That moment bothered me, too. I think I was able to tell her I was sure I could talk them out of it, and she was all "haha, I'll believe that when it happens" and we went flouncing out to try anyway. It worked, mostly because Varric is awesome and sends Bad Templars on a wild goose chase. But, otherwise, I reacted very much like you, with "why am I going to kill one of the nicest, most decent templars I know?!" I mean, with Thrask, he's not just a decent templar, but a fundamentally decent man. But, well, we all know how that thing with Grace turns out. *sigh*

On another note, I do so love this particular moment, even if I tend to finish All That Remains first. Everyone Hawke loves is right here. Problem solved!

I also love that moment, except for the liver spot on the hand. Freckles, moles, all fine and good. Hawke is too young for liver spots.

don't forget how in mass effect they decided that the two non tatooed cleavaged out females are required to have at least 1 or more freckles for well detail I guess. Miranda and Samara have them. Wasn't aware every race in space has them. Couldn't spot one on a krogan.

[Giggles_Manically]

Okay.

Anyone here take Merrill with Hawke during the after talk for Black Powder Courtesy?
She buts in twice with the Arishok as he rants.

OMG.
I swear at one point he looked at her like this:


Way to impress our foreign visitors Merrill.

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...
On another note, I do so love this particular moment, even if I tend to finish All That Remains first. Everyone Hawke loves is right here. Problem solved!

I like your problem solving logic. 

[Esbatty]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Okay.

Anyone here take Merrill with Hawke during the after talk for Black Powder Courtesy?
She buts in twice with the Arishok as he rants.

OMG.
I swear at one point he looked at her like this:
*snip What Is This kitteh*

Way to impress our foreign visitors Merrill.

REALLY?!?! I gotta take her to see the Qunari more often. Ever since her whole "ooh the qunari are nice to look at comment" I meta-banned her from Qunari visits in future games. *'Batty never got a gold star for sharing in school*