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Merrill - She's a Keeper!

Débuté par Maria Caliban , janv. 10 2011 10:17

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#14976
Gespenst

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:39

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Well how often will a plan of someone we love going wrong cause them to become a soulless monster?

...was that even English?

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#14977
congealeddgtllvr

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:40

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Yay 600 pages=]

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#14978
jlb524

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:40

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LobselVith8 wrote...

I have to wonder how much danger she was actually in, since Marethari doesn't think that Merrill was in danger from merely conversing with Audacity, but from the restored Eluvian. I agree with you that Audacity was likely manipulating Marethari in order to escape the totem.

I'd say Audacity was doing that for sure. Marethari feared the Eluvian greatly even though she knew little about it...and Audacity seemed to play with that fear, telling her that the mirror would be the thing that allowed him to go after Merrill.

There's nothing dangerous with merely conversing with the demon as it's trapped. You could sit there all day and tell it your life story...it isn't going anywhere.

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#14979
bleetman

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:44

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

http://cloud.steampo...336C0C93CBA51B/

I hate that line. I absolutely detest it. But more than what she's asking Hawke to do, I hate how utterly bloody passive Hawke is about it. Sure, s/he can refuse to help, but where is the argument, the I'm-sorry-could-you-repeat-that-ness? Merrill is all but saying that she doesn't place value in her own life, and Hawke just sort of shrugs and says ok.

Hnnnnngrrrggrahgnabbjakgla.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 août 2011 - 01:51 .

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#14980
Xilizhra

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:44

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jlb524 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I have to wonder how much danger she was actually in, since Marethari doesn't think that Merrill was in danger from merely conversing with Audacity, but from the restored Eluvian. I agree with you that Audacity was likely manipulating Marethari in order to escape the totem.

I'd say Audacity was doing that for sure. Marethari feared the Eluvian greatly even though she knew little about it...and Audacity seemed to play with that fear, telling her that the mirror would be the thing that allowed him to go after Merrill.

There's nothing dangerous with merely conversing with the demon as it's trapped. You could sit there all day and tell it your life story...it isn't going anywhere.

Indeed. We've never seen an Eluvian actually link with the Fade; the one in Witch Hunt supposedly goes beyond it, or something. The link is vague at best.

Of course, we don't actually know that the pride demon possessing Marethari is the same pride demon that was in the statue, either...

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#14981
jlb524

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:52

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Xilizhra wrote...
Indeed. We've never seen an Eluvian actually link with the Fade; the one in Witch Hunt supposedly goes beyond it, or something. The link is vague at best.

Yeah and Marethari doesn't know that. She admits she knows nothing about them in DA:O and refuses to study them further. All she knows is that it tainted two clan members.

Xilizhra wrote...
Of course, we don't actually know that the pride demon possessing Marethari is the same pride demon that was in the statue, either...

The demon is missing from the statue though.

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#14982
Xilizhra

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:54

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The demon is missing from the statue though.

True, but one pride demon could have possessed Marethari, forced her to summon it and then disposed of it.

Granted, it's rather a long shot, but it goes to show how little we know about the situation other than that Marethari is an abomination.

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#14983
Giggles_Manically

Posté 14 août 2011 - 01:56

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bleetman wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I hate that line. I absolutely detest it. But more than what she's asking Hawke to do, I hate how utterly bloody passive Hawke is about it. Sure, s/he can refuse to help, but where is the argument, the I'm-sorry-could-you-repeat-that-ness? Merrill is all but saying that she doesn't place value in her own life, and Hawke just sort of shrugs and says ok.

Hnnnnngrrrggrahgnabbjakgla.

Actually no one line has Hawke saying :"YOU cant ask me to do that"

That is not just shrugging and saying okay.

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#14984
bleetman

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:07

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Actually no one line has Hawke saying :"YOU cant ask me to do that"

That is not just shrugging and saying okay.

Not literally, no. But given the implication of what Merrill is asking Hawke to do - and I mean the 'not placing value in her own existence' part, rather than the 'so this is a bit risky' part - the responses on offer aren't particularly satisfactory.

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#14985
Leah5

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:07

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It still doesn't seem like Hawke puts up much of a fight, though. Certainly not a strong enough reaction considering what Merrill's asking him/her to do.

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#14986
congealeddgtllvr

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:13

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jlb524 wrote...

There's nothing dangerous with merely conversing with the demon as it's trapped.

I don't think this is as self-evidently true as you've posited it here. This debate always goes in circles, but suffice to say Merrill thinks there is a danger, and seems genuinely worried on her way up Sundermount. "Nothing" is such an absolute term, and not one I'm comfortable using about that kind of situation.

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#14987
jlb524

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:15

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Okay, almost nothing XD

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#14988
bleetman

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:20

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I'd be interested in knowing if Allure was similarly bound, myself. And if so, if it was intentionally released.

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#14989
Gespenst

Posté 14 août 2011 - 02:44

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bleetman wrote...

I hate that line. I absolutely detest it...

(et el)

And it's so totally out of nowhere, it's not like anyone else has asked someone to kill them when they're in a hopeless situation of any sort, or even considered it

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Bethany said...

It's just you and mother now...

Quiet you.

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#14990
bleetman

Posté 14 août 2011 - 03:00

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...Your point being, what, that a friend/lover explaining that she needs you to tag along whilst she does something mind-warpingly dangerous in case she needs to be euthanized shouldn't elicit more concern than one or two empty protests?

[edit]

Urgh, I sound so insufferable and whiny. I mean, I'm not expecting every imaginable dialogue option to be realised. It just seemed like Hawke didn't put up anywhere near as much opposition to the idea as s/he really ought to be able to, s'all.

/whines

Modifié par bleetman, 14 août 2011 - 03:16 .

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#14991
Esbatty

Posté 14 août 2011 - 05:12

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MERRILL: I need you to strike me down.

HAWKE: If you do that... who will help me raise little Malcolm Jr.?

MERRILL: What?

HAWKE: I'm pregnant.

MERRILL: But - you're a man. You don't get pregnant.

HAWKE: Oh, suddenly a Shem expert, huh?

MERRILL: I'm being serious here, Hawke.

HAWKE: No, you're the one not being serious here. I can't kill you. I've lost nearly everyone I've ever loved and... and... I'm going with you, knocking you out, then killing the sh*t out of that demon. Because I love you and, other than shamelessly flirting, killing is what I do best.

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#14992
Giggles_Manically

Posté 14 août 2011 - 09:25

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Hey Esbatty.... I think I saw that movie....

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#14993
Sepewrath

Posté 15 août 2011 - 03:54

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bleetman wrote...

...Your point being, what, that a friend/lover explaining that she needs you to tag along whilst she does something mind-warpingly dangerous in case she needs to be euthanized shouldn't elicit more concern than one or two empty protests?

[edit]

Urgh, I sound so insufferable and whiny. I mean, I'm not expecting every imaginable dialogue option to be realised. It just seemed like Hawke didn't put up anywhere near as much opposition to the idea as s/he really ought to be able to, s'all.

/whines

Why put up a fight, if she become an abomination, you are going to kill her, so why say otherwise? If anything, you should have been telling her not take the risk so you don't have to kill her. Not telling her, your going to let her run amok, because you cant bring yourself to stop her. .