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[Zjarcal]

jlb524 wrote...

I bring fan art



link

It's adorable.

It's also an exact representation of how my Hawke reacted there. And she was even wearing that armor! 

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Why Bioware didn't include that option in the game is beyond me. I so wanted to do that.

[Giggles_Manically]

Dragon Age 2 needs more hugs.

That should be a mod really.

Arishok: Tell me Hawke you know I can not leave until I have the tome? What should I do?
Hawke: I know what I am going to do! -hugs the Arishok-
A: WHAT! What is this!
H: Its okay shhhhh
A: I ... I just.... I never wanted.... I REGRET EVERYTHING! -drops his weapons and hugs Hawke back.
H: There we go let it out let it out, let it all out.
A:-sobs brokenly into Hawke's shoulder- I just cant take this crazy city anymore... what did I do to deserve this!
H: Dont worry lets just talk it out and have some herbal tea.
A: Yeah -sniff- that sounds good.

Varric: And that is how Hawke became the champion. Hug therapy and tea.
Cassandra: BULL****!

[jlb524]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why Bioware didn't include that option in the game is beyond me. I so wanted to do that.

Oh yeah, me too!  A 'grab Merrill and take her home' interrupt.

They really needed to add interrupts to DA2.

[Zjarcal]

jlb524 wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why Bioware didn't include that option in the game is beyond me. I so wanted to do that.

Oh yeah, me too!  A 'grab Merrill and take her home' interrupt.

They really needed to add interrupts to DA2.

I wonder if the companions would just stay there thinking "shall we wait for Hawke to come back and finish that deal with Flemeth"?

[jlb524]

Zjarcal wrote...

I wonder if the companions would just stay there thinking "shall we wait for Hawke to come back and finish that deal with Flemeth"?

Nah, Hawke would have tossed them the amulet before she left and told them to grab Marethari and finish the ritual without her.

[Knight of Dane]

jlb524 wrote...

I bring fan art

*snip*

link

It's adorable.

Sorry jlb524, already posted on p. 603.

PseudoEthnic wrote...

More art from BagofLimbs:


Link

But it's good of you to keep us informed nevertheless

[TheBlackBaron]

jlb524 wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why Bioware didn't include that option in the game is beyond me. I so wanted to do that.

Oh yeah, me too!  A 'grab Merrill and take her home' interrupt.

They really needed to add interrupts to DA2.

This should be possible at any point in the game and activateable at any time. Even in the middle of combat.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 23 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[jlb524]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Sorry jlb524, already posted on p. 603.

Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!  /yells like Vader

Oops, I haven't been reading this thread lately

But it's sooooo good it deserves a repost.

[Sepewrath]

jamesp81 wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Well of course Hawke is not responsible, but like I said, a person in that situation does not care.

Then that person has a problem.

As for Arlathan, that was the Tevinter Imperium.  Explain to me how it is that a Ferelden living in the Free Marches is responsible for the actions of the Tevinter magisters.

Well you could always look at people raping Zathrian's daughter and killing his son as a reason as to why they would think humans were responsible. You say that person has problems for taking out their anger on you, but don't you also have a problem for taking an anger and mistrust they generally have for the human race, personally? What you think because you had some mutually beneficial interaction with them, that their suppose to be your friend. You know last time, they had a relationship with humans, Arlathan happened. Oh wait I'm wrong, last time, they helped Andraste and got an Exalted March for their troubles.

[TobiTobsen]

Sepewrath wrote...

Well you could always look at people raping Zathrian's daughter and killing his son as a reason as to why they would think humans were responsible. You say that person has problems for taking out their anger on you, but don't you also have a problem for taking an anger and mistrust they generally have for the human race, personally? What you think because you had some mutually beneficial interaction with them, that their suppose to be your friend. You know last time, they had a relationship with humans, Arlathan happened. Oh wait I'm wrong, last time, they helped Andraste and got an Exalted March for their troubles.

They got an Exalted March for sitting around and doing nothing while Orlais was ravaged by the second Blight, which lasted for 90 years and the fact that they nearly conquered Val Royeaux after the enraged Orlesians started some skirmished around the border because of this.

[jamesp81]

tmp7704 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Put another way:

My first encounter with the Dalish included them making a string of death threats towards someone they didn't know who had given no offense to them.

(..)

If it weren't for caring about what Merrill thinks, my Hawke would've gladly fought and destroyed them without a second thought.  It's not as if he hadn't fought others for lesser offenses in his travels.  I only hope her clan one day realizes that their lives were preserved because of the very person they despised most.

To put it yet another way, you're all ready to murder bunch of people because they weren't civil to you from the onset. Although they still let you in their camp and were perfectly willing to conduct business with you.

Ponder on it, and your own attitude. Maybe this is actually a situation where that second thought is quite warranted.

When a group of people 1) make death threats, 2) have the ability to carry out those threats and then 3) make moves to carry out those threats, it stops being murder.

I've given it plenty of thought.  Maybe YOU should ponder it more yourself, specifically, how would you view humans that behaved in the same manner as they did?

[jamesp81]

jlb524 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Their 'viscount' has guards on hand, just like Kirkwall's viscount.  This is not a problem.  The problem is that the Dalish and their guards act like they're barely in control of some kind of deep abiding need to kill.  The viscount and his guards seem to appreciate a bit of civility and also seem to understand that things go better when death threats are not used as normal conversational pieces.

In my hypothetical, you believe the Viscount's guards would be civil to a small group of Dalish elves that just marched up to the Keep and asked to see him?  You don't think they'd threaten the elves to mind themselves or it will be their death?

If they had business there, I'm fairly certain the guards would've behaved themselves better than the dalish did towards Hawke, who had business with them.

So, no, I don't think explicit threats would've been made.  Although they might've been implied.  That's kind of the point of having armed guards.  The difference I see between the two is that the dalish act like they've got an itchy trigger finger.  The keep's guardsmen appear to have more sense and while willing to do their duty, don't seem to be just itching to kill someone.

[jamesp81]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Well you could always look at people raping Zathrian's daughter and killing his son as a reason as to why they would think humans were responsible. You say that person has problems for taking out their anger on you, but don't you also have a problem for taking an anger and mistrust they generally have for the human race, personally? What you think because you had some mutually beneficial interaction with them, that their suppose to be your friend. You know last time, they had a relationship with humans, Arlathan happened. Oh wait I'm wrong, last time, they helped Andraste and got an Exalted March for their troubles.

They got an Exalted March for sitting around and doing nothing while Orlais was ravaged by the second Blight, which lasted for 90 years and the fact that they nearly conquered Val Royeaux after the enraged Orlesians started some skirmished around the border because of this.

To be fair to Sep, the Orlesians are a bunch of jerkasses and the Dales didn't warrant an exalted march.  It would've been better if the elves had stepped up and taken out the Orlesians, although I suspect they didn't have the capability.

[LobselVith8]

TobiTobsen wrote...

They got an Exalted March for sitting around and doing nothing while Orlais was ravaged by the second Blight, which lasted for 90 years and the fact that they nearly conquered Val Royeaux after the enraged Orlesians started some skirmished around the border because of this.

The Orlesian version is that the elves of the Dales did nothing during the Second Blight, but is it that the elves did nothing in the face of the darkspawn armies, or that they did nothing to help Orlais? I can understand being hesitant about aiding Orlais specifically - it's a nation that has a history of conquest since it's inception as an empire, and we know historically that Orlais used the Third Blight to take over Nevarra. Did the elves deal with the darkspawn, but simply not aid Orlais? Did the Orlesians even ask for assistance? We'll probably never know the truth, since it happened so long ago. Even the war between the Dales and Orlais and the Chantry of Andraste has two sides - two explanations - given to explain why it happened.

[jamesp81]

jlb524 wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why Bioware didn't include that option in the game is beyond me. I so wanted to do that.

Oh yeah, me too!  A 'grab Merrill and take her home' interrupt.

They really needed to add interrupts to DA2.

We really needed a Tali-style hug interrupt after the vaterral encounter and Pol.

[Sepewrath]

TobiTobsen wrote...
They got an Exalted March for sitting around and doing nothing while Orlais was ravaged by the second Blight, which lasted for 90 years and the fact that they nearly conquered Val Royeaux after the enraged Orlesians started some skirmished around the border because of this.

Not helping during the Blight is no reason for anything, no one is obligated to help anyone else, I don't find it to hard believe that Orlais would have stood buy if it were the Dales being hit with the Blight. And the story of what happened when they conquered that town and were heading toward Val Royeaux is a mystery, seems that Orlais was all pissy about them not helping them and the conflict started. So the Exalted March was not really called fall and was just another example of humans going after them.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Sepewrath wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...
They got an Exalted March for sitting around and doing nothing while Orlais was ravaged by the second Blight, which lasted for 90 years and the fact that they nearly conquered Val Royeaux after the enraged Orlesians started some skirmished around the border because of this.

Not helping during the Blight is no reason for anything, no one is obligated to help anyone else, I don't find it to hard believe that Orlais would have stood buy if it were the Dales being hit with the Blight. And the story of what happened when they conquered that town and were heading toward Val Royeaux is a mystery, seems that Orlais was all pissy about them not helping them and the conflict started. So the Exalted March was not really called fall and was just another example of humans going after them.

Ah, the magnificant benovolence of humanity. Just warms the heart, eh? 

[tmp7704]

jamesp81 wrote...

When a group of people 1) make death threats, 2) have the ability to carry out those threats and then 3) make moves to carry out those threats, it stops being murder.

Your entire complaint in the post i replied to was:

"My first encounter with the Dalish included them making a string of death threats towards someone they didn't know who had given no offense to them. Even after Hawke helps them out, their aggressive, borderline violent attitude doesn't abate. I then learned that the entire clan ostracized the friendliest, most lovable person I can encounter in the game. Then after she leaves with me, her supposed mentor doesn't waste any time convincing the rest of the clan that she's the devil incarnate."

I see no sign of "making moves to carry out death threats" there. Yet you've stated that was enough for your Hawke to want to kill them all, and that he/she had killed people for far less that that, as well.

Meaning no, there's nothing there that stop it being murder.

The idea that having ability to carry out threaths somehow makes it okay to kill people is especially silly -- as most people have this ability, including your own character.

I've given it plenty of thought.  Maybe YOU should ponder it more yourself, specifically, how would you view humans that behaved in the same manner as they did?

I'd view them as rude.

Since you bring it up -- it seems that, using your own logic, as soon as your Hawke tells a complete stranger "get out of my way or i kill you" it's perfectly fair for the person of that to actually kill your character in response. Is that how you'd indeed view it? And for that matter, is your Hawke always polite to the people he/she meets and knows nothing about, or does he/she use the purple/red options sometimes, even from the start? (and fully expects to be attacked for that, since it'd be after all a normal and justified reaction)

[tmp7704]

Sepewrath wrote...

Not helping during the Blight is no reason for anything, no one is obligated to help anyone else, I don't find it to hard believe that Orlais would have stood buy if it were the Dales being hit with the Blight.

While it's true there's no such obligation, It is a solid reason to develop and harbour ill feelings, and treat such people with distrust. If the Dales were being hit by the Blight instead i'd rather expect Orlais and any other nearby nation to join the fight for very simple and practical reasons -- to greatly increases odds of their own survival, and to limit their own losses in the battles.

Modifié par tmp7704, 25 août 2011 - 12:29 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

tmp7704 wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

Not helping during the Blight is no reason for anything, no one is obligated to help anyone else, I don't find it to hard believe that Orlais would have stood buy if it were the Dales being hit with the Blight.

While it's true there's no such obligation, It is a solid reason to develop and harbour ill feelings, and treat such people with distrust. If the Dales were being hit by the Blight instead i'd rather expect Orlais and any other nearby nation to join the fight for very simple and practical reasons -- to greatly increases odds of their own survival, and to limit their own losses in the battles.

People rarely act the way we expect them to. Plus, Orlais? Fight? But what if they mess up their shoes!?

[tmp7704]

soccerchick wrote...

People rarely act the way we expect them to. Plus, Orlais? Fight? But what if they mess up their shoes!?

Well, they know pretty well what the Blights are like and what the risk is, and if i'm not mistaken the track record so far shows the nations of Thedas in general have enough common sense to band together to fight that threat.

As for the shoes feh, darkspawn blood stains are all the rage in Val Royeaux. Much harder to obtain than ribbons or dead birds.

Modifié par tmp7704, 25 août 2011 - 12:36 .

[jamesp81]

tmp7704 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

When a group of people 1) make death threats, 2) have the ability to carry out those threats and then 3) make moves to carry out those threats, it stops being murder.

Your entire complaint in the post i replied to was:

"My first encounter with the Dalish included them making a string of death threats towards someone they didn't know who had given no offense to them. Even after Hawke helps them out, their aggressive, borderline violent attitude doesn't abate. I then learned that the entire clan ostracized the friendliest, most lovable person I can encounter in the game. Then after she leaves with me, her supposed mentor doesn't waste any time convincing the rest of the clan that she's the devil incarnate."

I see no sign of "making moves to carry out death threats" there. Yet you've stated that was enough for your Hawke to want to kill them all, and that he/she had killed people for far less that that, as well.

Meaning no, there's nothing there that stop it being murder.

The idea that having ability to carry out threaths somehow makes it okay to kill people is especially silly -- as most people have this ability, including your own character.

I've given it plenty of thought.  Maybe YOU should ponder it more yourself, specifically, how would you view humans that behaved in the same manner as they did?

I'd view them as rude.

Since you bring it up -- it seems that, using your own logic, as soon as your Hawke tells a complete stranger "get out of my way or i kill you" it's perfectly fair for the person of that to actually kill your character in response. Is that how you'd indeed view it? And for that matter, is your Hawke always polite to the people he/she meets and knows nothing about, or does he/she use the purple/red options sometimes, even from the start? (and fully expects to be attacked for that, since it'd be after all a normal and justified reaction)

I have at times used the red option intending to start a fight.

But the example doesn't really hold when I'm using the red option on people who have already earned their fate.  Slavers come to mind.

This is off-topic, btw and I think we've polluted the thread enough with this subject.  If you want to continue this discussion I'll happily do so via PM.

[Todd23]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Dragon Age 2 needs more hugs.

That should be a mod really.

Arishok: Tell me Hawke you know I can not leave until I have the tome? What should I do?
Hawke: I know what I am going to do! -hugs the Arishok-
A: WHAT! What is this!
H: Its okay shhhhh
A: I ... I just.... I never wanted.... I REGRET EVERYTHING! -drops his weapons and hugs Hawke back.
H: There we go let it out let it out, let it all out.
A:-sobs brokenly into Hawke's shoulder- I just cant take this crazy city anymore... what did I do to deserve this!
H: Dont worry lets just talk it out and have some herbal tea.
A: Yeah -sniff- that sounds good.

Varric: And that is how Hawke became the champion. Hug therapy and tea.
Cassandra: BULL****!

This play going on in my head is hillarious yet unbearale.

Modifié par Todd23, 26 août 2011 - 02:14 .

[Sepewrath]

tmp7704 wrote...
Well, they know pretty well what the Blights are like and what the risk is, and if i'm not mistaken the track record so far shows the nations of Thedas in general have enough common sense to band together to fight that threat.

As for the shoes feh, darkspawn blood stains are all the rage in Val Royeaux. Much harder to obtain than ribbons or dead birds.

Well Loghain shows that people at time wont use common sense and will do things to further their own individual goals or ideals, like leave a king and an army to die. Wouldn't shock me to see Orlais, leave the elves to get hammered and just clean up afterward with their Chevaliers. Why not, once the Dales fall, they can claim as their own, I mean didn't they already have problems with them before the Blight because they were refusing to let the Chantry in?