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[DrFumb1ezX]

ydaraishy wrote...

tdettling wrote...

what post a pick of her in armour

Who needs armour when you're a blood mage and have Arcane Shield/Barrier?

(Omg mages are biotics)

Obviously. plus, Merrill would be so overpowered in ME, it would be game-breaking.

[jlb524]

King Minos wrote...

I don understand, why would they demonstrate Merrill in different armour and customisation? Are they using released games as example of what you can do In Me3 without showing spoilers? Or is this something in the future for dragon age?

We don't really know yet.

It's something they are considering for future content.  Merrill is just a guinea pig (not literally!) for now....but we may never see her in this armor in an actual game.

[Wulfram]

MerrillShep

[DrFumb1ezX]

Wulfram wrote...

MerrillShep

I loled. and why is that armor there always green?

[Jestina]

I liked Merill but in DA2 giving her blood magic was blah. Seems like Bioware makes every mage outside the circle a demon worshiping blood mage now.

[LobselVith8]

Jestina wrote...

I liked Merrill but in DA2 giving her blood magic was blah. Seems like Bioware makes every mage outside the circle a demon worshipping blood mage now.

Bioware made most mages complete idiots, which was the problem. I respected Merrill for being an intelligent and proactive character who was trying to help the People. Merrill used her magic - which includes her blood magic - responsibly. I've never bought into the idea that blood magic was evil, especially since the Joining can be viewed as blood magic and Grey Warden mages have used blood magic to win against the darkspawn.

[Darth Caedus]

I've always thought of blood magic as a tool with great potential for both good and evil, like, as an example, nuclear power. Nuclear power can be used to power a city or destroy one. Should we not use it for good just because it has the potential for evil? And that's how i think Merrill views blood magic.

[King Minos]

Blood magi to me, isn't evil but it has so much power and potential that it is commonly used for bad purposes. Why would anyone do it is beyond me, stabbing myself with a knife or cutting my wrist isn't appealing at all.

[LobselVith8]

King Minos wrote...

Blood magi to me, isn't evil but it has so much power and potential that it is commonly used for bad purposes. Why would anyone do it is beyond me, stabbing myself with a knife or cutting my wrist isn't appealing at all.

Many mages are said to do it (according to lore) because:

"Mages of this type take the raw energy of life and twist it to their own purposes. They can corrupt and control, and sustain their power by consuming the health of others, willing or not. The effects can be vile, but this specialization isn’t limited to madmen and monsters. Many see it as the only form of magic that is truly free, because it’s tied to the physical, not favors to spirits or demons."

Also, templars can nullify ordinary magic, and blood magic is the exception since templars can't prohibit blood mages from accessing their abilities.

[Sepewrath]

Jestina wrote...

I liked Merill but in DA2 giving her blood magic was blah. Seems like Bioware makes every mage outside the circle a demon worshiping blood mage now.

Being a blood mage doesn't make someone a demon worshipper, its just a tool. And the reason many mages would use it is because despite their power, their powerless in the world and BM evens the odds a bit.

[Morroian]

Jestina wrote...

I liked Merill but in DA2 giving her blood magic was blah. Seems like Bioware makes every mage outside the circle a demon worshiping blood mage now.

Didn't notice too much demon worshipping going on from Merrill. And blood magic is essential to her story.

[Gespenst]

Knight of Dane wrote...

In this playthrough i plan on doing it in act 2 to have mommy alive to talk to after it's done, but i also want to get the banter with Carver about romancing Merrill(love seing him squirm O_o), so i just wanted to see if anyone knows if a romance with her will be recognized by him(assumming you did so)

I seem to recall reading that it's currently bugged and the dialogue only triggers for a M!Hawke/Merrill romance. I couldn't get it to trigger from my F!Hawke(Mage)/Merrill romance in Act 3.

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Mike Laidlaw announced that you can change companions' appearance around while they still keep their iconic  look. So you're right, Darth Caedus.

Whhhhhhaaaaaaaaatttttt...t?

I'm away for a few days (Playing the new Deus Ex game - heck yeah!) and I miss that. That's a bit of news right there.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

It's their plan "going forward."

DAIII, definitely, but it's also certainly something they could, conceivably, implement in an expansion (it wouldn't happen in a DLC).

Huh? Aren't the DLCs "expansions"? I mean back in the day we didn't download games so instead of DLC we had "Expansion packs" and they came on CDs - believe it or not... unless you mean an "Awakening" size expansion.

Joking aside it just ocurred to me that in a very few years there might be people who've never listened to music or played a game that came on a CD. I imagine most these days never played a game that came on a floppy disc...

King Minos wrote...

Blood magi to me, isn't evil but it has so much power and potential that it is commonly used for bad purposes

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.

Good thing Merrill isn't a man is so nice.

Modifié par Gespenst, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[Jestina]

Morroian wrote...
Didn't notice too much demon worshipping going on from Merrill. And blood magic is essential to her story.

She was was worshipping that mirror for the majority of the game. The same mirror, that in DA:O unleashed darkspawn and would have wiped out her tribe.

[Jestina]

From what I recall from DA:O the mirrors were a communication device, used by a kingdom of elves that no longer exists. Now the remaining ones are used as portals, usually by demons and darkspawn.

The one she's repairing probably leads to a lair of darkspawn or something...which is why Duncun destroyed the thing.

The problems I had with Merrills character in DA2 was that they made her overly naive and weak willed. For an elf messing around with blood magic, she sure didn't last long in the fade when it came to resisting temptation from a demon.

She had so much potential from DA:O too. I was disappointed with what they did to her in DA2.

[thats1evildude]

Technically speaking, the Eluvian wasn't used as a portal by the darkspawn. It was tainted by the same taint that the darkspawn carried and it called to them when activated.

The Eluvians were used as portals to another plane of existence by the elves of Arlathan before they were conquered by the Tevinter Imperium. The Tevinters then used them as long-range communication devices, not realizing their full potential.

Jestina wrote...

She was was worshipping that mirror for the majority of the game. The same mirror, that in DA:O unleashed darkspawn and would have wiped out her tribe.

She wasn't worshipping the Eluvian. She was seeking to restore it because it is an ancient elven artifact. The fact that it killed her tribemates only made her determined to make their sacrifice meaningful.

I didn't find Merrill to be that interesting a character in Origins or particularly memorable. But YMMV.

Also, blood mages do not "worship" demons. They ally with or command demons, but they don't worship them.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Tigerking]

Jestina wrote...

From what I recall from DA:O the mirrors were a communication device, used by a kingdom of elves that no longer exists. Now the remaining ones are used as portals, usually by demons and darkspawn.

The one she's repairing probably leads to a lair of darkspawn or something...which is why Duncun destroyed the thing.

The problems I had with Merrills character in DA2 was that they made her overly naive and weak willed. For an elf messing around with blood magic, she sure didn't last long in the fade when it came to resisting temptation from a demon.

She had so much potential from DA:O too. I was disappointed with what they did to her in DA2.

Several things:

As I understand, there are only 2 remaining Eluvians: The one that was broken and that Merrill repaired, and the one that Morrigan used. There is no evidence (that I'm aware of) that says that they're used by demons/darkspawn as "portals". The reason Merrill's mirror was taint-infected was simply because darkspawn were in the vicinity (IE the temple). I'll give you that it probably leads to the Deep Roads (IE the ancient thaig), but who says eluvians have set locations?
Duncan likely destroyed it simply because it was taint-infected, had already lured and killed one Dalish Hunter and corrupted another. Not necessarily because it led into the Deep Roads, although that is a possibility.

Also, the Fade quest is very silly to me on multiple levels. In-character, the fact the whole thing was taking place in the mind of a Somniari created rather unique conditions, as it seems EVERYONE (except Justice and Hawke) had their willpower scores set to zero there. Even in DAO, the only reason people fell for demonic deception is because to them, it was seriously like being in a dream, with a corresponding lack of rational thought.
OOC, it was simply a) a hamhanded attempt to show how awesomely uncorruptible Hawke is, and a reminder that your companions have their own desires and agendas, and may place them over Hawke in the future, foreshadowing the ending a bit.

Finally, people always say that Merrill is weak-willed and easy to give in to temptation. If the Fade is your evidence there, in that case EVERYONE is weak-willed. Aveline, Fenris, Varric, and so on all gave in as well (Anders cheated). If it's simply because she worked with a demon, that's because she decided that simply put, the risks of her getting possessed or dying were worth the potential benefit of getting an eluvian to work. She didn't go into it assuming everything would be fine. She thought about it and planned accordingly..

[Morroian]

Jestina wrote...

The problems I had with Merrills character in DA2 was that they made her overly naive and weak willed. For an elf messing around with blood magic, she sure didn't last long in the fade when it came to resisting temptation from a demon.

She had so much potential from DA:O too. I was disappointed with what they did to her in DA2.

She's more complex in DA2 than she was in DAO. For one thing she is naive but not weak willed, she's the only blood mage in the game apart from Hawke to actually treat blood magic and demons correctly and resist temptation apart from that 1 instance.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Tigerking wrote...

Also, the Fade quest is very silly to me on multiple levels. In-character, the fact the whole thing was taking place in the mind of a Somniari created rather unique conditions, as it seems EVERYONE (except Justice and Hawke) had their willpower scores set to zero there. Even in DAO, the only reason people fell for demonic deception is because to them, it was seriously like being in a dream, with a corresponding lack of rational thought.
OOC, it was simply a) a hamhanded attempt to show how awesomely uncorruptible Hawke is, and a reminder that your companions have their own desires and agendas, and may place them over Hawke in the future, foreshadowing the ending a bit.

Hawke can be corrupted. Take the demon's offer. But Anders TOTALLY cheated. Unfair, dude.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Gespenst wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Blood magi to me, isn't evil but it has so much power and potential that it is commonly used for bad purposes

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.

Good thing Merrill isn't a man is so nice.

I love that quote. The power one. Use it all the time.
And thank the Maker (or Mythal) that Merrill doesn't go super evil abomination on you.That would suuuuuuck. 

Modifié par soccerchick, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Wulfram wrote...

MerrillShep

...I now really want to see what Merrill would be like if she took Shepard's place in the ME universe and brought down the Reapers. I'm imaging something like Forrest Gump IN SPAAAAAAAACE. 

[thats1evildude]

All this ME talk reminded me of this.

[DrFumb1ezX]

thats1evildude wrote...

All this ME talk reminded me of this.

I'm insulted that you would dare compare us to Talimancers.
We're way better at english than they are. Not to mention nicer. Except for ismaeltheforsaken.

[Northern Sun]

thats1evildude wrote...

All this ME talk reminded me of this.

Having Tali and Merrill in the same sentence/picture has always annoyed me. They're really nothing alike. Merrill's virtually a copy of ME1 Liara.

[thats1evildude]

soccerchick wrote...

I'm insulted that you would dare compare us to Talimancers.
We're way better at english than they are. Not to mention nicer. Except for ismaeltheforsaken.

My intent was not to offend, but amuse. My apologies.

I romanced Merrill in DA2, so I'm not about to start making accusations towards my friend The Kettle.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 septembre 2011 - 11:20 .