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[DrFumb1ezX]

esper wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I sometimes romance the other character on a playthrough because I keep being told X is so much better for A, B, C. Which sucks, because when I reject Leli for Morrigan, or reject Merrill for Isabela, I always consider it lying just to see a "what if". And these playthroughs I'm usually unhappy and depressed.

The don't do it, seriously... I know how you feel. I can't not romance Anders anymore. The heartbreak when you have to turn down your 'canon' is just not worth it. You don't enjoy that character.

I just roleplay that Hawke NOT to be attracted to Merrill.
Works out okay to me.
But my Canon Hawke is always my favorite. Woot for Merrill-mancers!

Modifié par soccerchick, 25 septembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[Knight of Dane]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I wrote one that's 9 chapters long right now, it's on hold until i get my life on straight again and it doesn't contain much fluff and cuddle as it's mainlyan adventure fic, but that's the pairing.

http://www.fanfictio..._Stories_Follow

Good, I'll take a look

Knight of Dane wrote...
Plus, Bethany/Sebastian later...

This... This is so... Obvious! Perfect! Why is this not canon?!

It kind of is

Well, somewhat. If You bring Sebastian and Bethany in Legacy and your Hawke isn't occupying Seb with Dirty spells already, Sebastian will have very suggestive comments to our dear sister, and she'll be flustered too..

[esper]

soccerchick wrote...

esper wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I sometimes romance the other character on a playthrough because I keep being told X is so much better for A, B, C. Which sucks, because when I reject Leli for Morrigan, or reject Merrill for Isabela, I always consider it lying just to see a "what if". And these playthroughs I'm usually unhappy and depressed.

The don't do it, seriously... I know how you feel. I can't not romance Anders anymore. The heartbreak when you have to turn down your 'canon' is just not worth it. You don't enjoy that character.

I just roleplay that Hawke NOT to be attracted to Merrill.
Works out okay to me.
But my Canon Hawke is always my favorite. Woot for Merrill-mancers!

Yeah, but it is not so funny, is it. In da2 I felt like I was cheating. I didn't feel so in da:o, so I could easily roleplay a charcact into different LI's.

My point is, if you don't enjoy the character, don't do it. 

[DrFumb1ezX]

esper wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

esper wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I sometimes romance the other character on a playthrough because I keep being told X is so much better for A, B, C. Which sucks, because when I reject Leli for Morrigan, or reject Merrill for Isabela, I always consider it lying just to see a "what if". And these playthroughs I'm usually unhappy and depressed.

The don't do it, seriously... I know how you feel. I can't not romance Anders anymore. The heartbreak when you have to turn down your 'canon' is just not worth it. You don't enjoy that character.

I just roleplay that Hawke NOT to be attracted to Merrill.
Works out okay to me.
But my Canon Hawke is always my favorite. Woot for Merrill-mancers!

Yeah, but it is not so funny, is it. In da2 I felt like I was cheating. I didn't feel so in da:o, so I could easily roleplay a charcact into different LI's.

My point is, if you don't enjoy the character, don't do it. 

Well, of course, if you don't like to do it, you don't have to. The game exists for your pleasure.
But I had fun trying out all the other romances. Even if Merrill's is leagues above any other.
'Cept for Sebastian. I just don't like him for some reason. And I can't pin it on something specfic...

[Knight of Dane]

soccerchick wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Plus, Bethany/Sebastian later...

This... This is so... Obvious! Perfect! Why is this not canon?!

Because the last thing I need is for Bethany to go as holy as Sebastian. I already have one of him in my life, thanks.
I'd see her with Fenris first.

And Fenris is not "holy" at all? The sense this board has!

[Prince_12]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Through searching under "All ratings", "Hawke" and "Merrill" on Fanfiction.net, I've found a few that fit (Or nearly fit) that description. Some change parts, and none tell the story word-for-word, that'd just be boring. Seems like the majority are male Hawke/Merrill, and I'm pretty sure none are finished, though a few are ongoing/should be updated eventually.

Thx, I'll take a look at it.

And people telling the whole DA2 story isn't boring IMO. More fun than just "cut to the case".

[DoNotIngest]

Prince_12 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Through searching under "All ratings", "Hawke" and "Merrill" on Fanfiction.net, I've found a few that fit (Or nearly fit) that description. Some change parts, and none tell the story word-for-word, that'd just be boring. Seems like the majority are male Hawke/Merrill, and I'm pretty sure none are finished, though a few are ongoing/should be updated eventually.

Thx, I'll take a look at it.

And people telling the whole DA2 story isn't boring IMO. More fun than just "cut to the case".

What I mean is retelling word-for-word long strings of dialogue. It's much more interesting when they tweek it, especially when so many parts could be turned into more thought-provoking content than the game provided. Like how, *apparently*, Merrill isn't allowed to take anything of hers from the clan when you leave. Which is reasonable, as she never carries anything off with her (Varric's Mirror Moving Services?).

[DrFumb1ezX]

Knight of Dane wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Plus, Bethany/Sebastian later...

This... This is so... Obvious! Perfect! Why is this not canon?!

Because the last thing I need is for Bethany to go as holy as Sebastian. I already have one of him in my life, thanks.
I'd see her with Fenris first.

And Fenris is not "holy" at all? The sense this board has!

I don't really remember him praying at all besides his conversations with Sebastian.  His reasons are more... Personal? Practical? Not all too religious.

By "Holy", I kinda meant preaching to Hawke that every evil that comes my way is bad.
Demons are evil?! Well, thanks, Sebastian, I had no idea! <_<

[thats1evildude]

Fenris does comment to Anders that suicide is a sin in the eyes of the Maker. Then again, he states to Sebastian that he found it difficult to have faith in the Maker, given the life he's had.

I think people make a bit too much out of Sebastian's faith. He's very devout, but he's hardly "in your face" about it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

thats1evildude wrote...

Fenris does comment to Anders that suicide is a sin in the eyes of the Maker. Then again, he states to Sebastian that he found it difficult to have faith in the Maker, given the life he's had.

I think people make a bit too much out of Sebastian's faith. He's very devout, but he's hardly "in your face" about it.

Really? Never heard that one from him.

And TBH, it's not his faith that bugs me. I can't pin it exactly, but something about him just ticks me off. Sorry if it sounds otherwise.

[thats1evildude]

Anders: Did you ever think about killing yourself?
Fenris: I could ask you the same thing.
Anders: I'm serious. To get out of slavery, to escape Danarius... don't tell me you never thought about it.
Fenris: I did not. To kill oneself is a sin in the eyes of the Maker.
Anders: You... believe that?
Fenris: I try to. Some things must be worse than slavery.
Anders: Some things are worse than death.

I can confirm this dialogue exists, as I've heard that.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:39 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

Again, that's Fenris' practicality showing. But I can see where he might be religious.

[Wulfram]

Merrill is arguably about as religious as Sebastian. Restoring the Eluvian can be seen as a religious act - it's part of reclaiming the lost Elven heritage that they believe will bring their gods back.

And Keepers seem to be more or less Elvish priests. Merrill has at least two dialogues where she's teaching Hawke about Elven religion, and one where she's teaching the Dog.

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:40 .

[mesmerizedish]

Sebastian actually believes it, though. I'd say Merrill is more a theologian than a priest. Religion is part of her culture, so she wants to learn about and reclaim it. But there's no indication she's really "faithful" like Sebastian is.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I sometimes romance the other character on a playthrough because I keep being told X is so much better for A, B, C. Which sucks, because when I reject Leli for Morrigan, or reject Merrill for Isabela, I always consider it lying just to see a "what if".  And these playthroughs I'm usually unhappy and depressed.

I remember the DA:O play through where I romanced Morrigan instead of Leliana...it was horrid.  Horrid!

I barely made it, especially considering Leliana kinda tries to take you away from Morrigan near the end.  I WANTED HER TO SUCCEED!

For DA2, I don't even bother with non-Merrill romances.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Sebastian actually believes it, though. I'd say Merrill is more a theologian than a priest. Religion is part of her culture, so she wants to learn about and reclaim it. But there's no indication she's really "faithful" like Sebastian is.

I agree.  Merrill seems more scholarly like...Genitivi.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:56 .

[Wulfram]

Well, she stops for a quick prayer on the way up Sundermount. She never seems to doubt any of the Elvish legends. And she gives up everything to restore the mirror.

She's different from Sebastian in that the Dalish are not evangelical about their faith - they aren't interested in converting humans, they just want to be left alone - but I think her faith is as strong as strong as his.

She'd probably get on well with Brother Genitivi. edit: I didn't see jlb524's post, but apparently great minds think alike

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[LobselVith8]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, she stops for a quick prayer on the way up Sundermount. She never seems to doubt any of the Elvish legends. And she gives up everything to restore the mirror.

She's different from Sebastian in that the Dalish are not evangelical about their faith - they aren't interested in converting humans, they just want to be left alone - but I think her faith is as strong as strong as his.

She'd probably get on well with Brother Genitivi. edit: I didn't see jlb524's post, but apparently great minds think alike

I remember the scene where Merrill prays. I think she's religious, she seems to believe in the gods of the People. And she addresses the elven gods when she speaks to others, given what she says when Hawke loses Leandra, when she's speaking to Anders, and when she speaks to Sebastian.

[mesmerizedish]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, she stops for a quick prayer on the way up Sundermount. She never seems to doubt any of the Elvish legends. And she gives up everything to restore the mirror.

She's different from Sebastian in that the Dalish are not evangelical about their faith - they aren't interested in converting humans, they just want to be left alone - but I think her faith is as strong as strong as his.

She'd probably get on well with Brother Genitivi. edit: I didn't see jlb524's post, but apparently great minds think alike

She says that the stories are just stories. Call her a "lapsed Catholic."

[Wulfram]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

She says that the stories are just stories. Call her a "lapsed Catholic."

I don't remember that.  When?

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:25 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

It's one thing to to believe. It's another to make it a facet of your personality.
Merrill and Sebastian have different ways of doing this, and I feel that Merrill was successful in doing so. Sebastian... not so much.

[Quething]

jlb524 wrote...

I agree.  Merrill seems more scholarly like...Genitivi.

I cannot think of a non-party character whose faith is more clear, devout, and personal then Genitivi. Even among party characters I think he gives Leliana a run for her money.

I like Seb. He shares with Merrill the otherwise unique distinction that his Friendship/Rivalry is actually written properly and consistently as two different kinds of friendship, rather than Rivalry being written as sometimes a different kind of friendship, and sometimes as why does this person even talk to me if we hate each other so much. (Unfortunately his actual gains and losses are probably the worst of any companion in terms of not lining up with what his paths are actually about...)

Plus his banters are huge. For Fenris particularly, there's a whole avenue of characteriztion you'd never get otherwise, but Merrill and Isabela both have important dialogs you wouldn't get without him as well ("Tell that to the Viscount"/"when we've proven that we're elves again"). And he's the only one of the three boys who manages to disagree with Merrill without being an inexcusable dick to her.

Modifié par Quething, 26 septembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Knight of Dane]

Sebastian is polite, while still seeming pushy to force his religion on non-beleivers, but not so much that he disapproves of giving the tome of koslun back to the Qunari.

And that he's compelled to save the wicked, so to say, doesn't make it a bad personality trait, if misguided, based on other's opinion. He's never harsh to Merrill, while both Anders and and Fenris are openly hostile and rude to her simply because they disagree morally with her.

[jlb524]

Quething wrote...

I cannot think of a non-party character whose faith is more clear, devout, and personal then Genitivi. Even among party characters I think he gives Leliana a run for her money.

I bring him up b/c he's more focused on the scholarly side.  I wouldn't say Merrill is as devout as he is, but she is religious unlike, say, Morrigan who seems to doubt all of it.

Knight of Dane wrote...

And that he's compelled to save the wicked, so to say, doesn't make it a bad personality trait, if
misguided, based on other's opinion. He's never harsh to Merrill, while both Anders and and Fenris are openly hostile and rude to her simply because they disagree morally with her.

Sebastian seems to be a 'judge the sin not the sinner' type, while Anders/Fenris are hostile b/c they don't like blood magic...period.

Modifié par jlb524, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Quething]

jlb524 wrote...

I bring him up b/c he's more focused on the scholarly side.  I wouldn't say Merrill is as devout as he is, but she is religious unlike, say, Morrigan who seems to doubt all of it.

True. I think I'd characterize Merrill as someone who believes, but doesn't wholly care. Sort of like... believing in dragons. Yes, they exist. She's even chosen a path in life that means she's apt to occasionally encounter them, so she needs to know things about them and how to deal with them safely. She may even find them to be neat, and to have inherent worth and be intellectually interesting. But, still... dragons. They exist. It's not a big deal.

Whereas to someone like Sebastian or Genitivi or Leliana, it's a very personal thing, something powerful and miraculous and worth devoting your entire life to. That place in Merrill's life is taken up by Arlathan and the ancient glory of the elves. (Actually I wonder if that's not part of why she and Isabela get along so well; Isabela's got a similar dedication to the sea, and it's something the other companions don't share. Anders and Fenris and Aveline may be just as passionate about their mage freedom/slaver killing/people protecting/whatever, but they don't have that reverence to go along with it.)

[tmp7704]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Sebastian is polite, while still seeming pushy to force his religion on non-beleivers, but not so much that he disapproves of giving the tome of koslun back to the Qunari.

And that he's compelled to save the wicked, so to say, doesn't make it a bad personality trait, if misguided, based on other's opinion.

If Sebastian is "pushy" about spreading his religion, it's because that's said religion's "prime directive" so to speak. Probably not as much a personal trait, but simply case of actually following one's beliefs.