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[Knight of Dane]

jlb524 wrote...
From what I've heard, Isabela (in a romance with Hawke) gets more jealous/possessive of Hawke flirting with Tallis.

Depends on the gender:

Female:


Male:


Edit:
Now when the post below this one mentions banter again, go to the user of the video in the seond link in this post. Danaduchy has all the banters uploaded, Merrill included.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:59 .

[.shea.]

jlb524 wrote...
From what I've heard, Isabela (in a romance with Hawke) gets more jealous/possessive of Hawke flirting with Tallis.

Isabela gets jealous of female Hawke when you flirt with her before exiting the caves.

Tallis: (Laughs) So it's true what they say about you.
Isabela: (romanced male Hawke): Oh it is, trust me.
Isabela: (romanced female Hawke): She likes rogues. Rivaini rogues especially.



Found yet another Merrill banter in MotA:

Merrill: Is being guard fun? (or something like that, didn't quite catch Merrills first line)
Aveline: I don't think the city guard is right for you, Merrill.
Merrill: I've read all about it in Varric's guard serial! I could be your partner! We could fight crime together!
Aveline: Guards don't have partners. Not like he says, anyway.
Merrill: That's why you need me! We could get matching outfits!
Aveline: All guards have matching outfits...
Merrill: But ours would be the matching-est!
Aveline: (Sighs)

[Tyrium]

Heya Merrill fans - just popping in with a quick question - do you think it's "better" to rival or friendship Merrill? I don't plan to romance her (my Hawke goes for Anders), but with my Hawke both would be in character - she's a sarcastic mage, nearly as passionate about the mage cause as Anders, but she thinks blood magic is dangerous and stupid. I have played it as both, but I'm not sure which I prefer. What do the experts here think?

[TEWR]

friendship. It's the most satisfying for me since Hawke is a human and doesn't know a thing about elven lore, and blood magic can be used for beneficial purposes. And since Audacity isn't a threat to anyone unless he's freed from that statue with a powerful spell, something Merrill had no intention of doing.

[Jacopo07]

Tyrium wrote...

Heya Merrill fans - just popping in with a quick question - do you think it's "better" to rival or friendship Merrill? I don't plan to romance her (my Hawke goes for Anders), but with my Hawke both would be in character - she's a sarcastic mage, nearly as passionate about the mage cause as Anders, but she thinks blood magic is dangerous and stupid. I have played it as both, but I'm not sure which I prefer. What do the experts here think?

To be honest, I still found rivarly with this character more passionate (especially the whole romance), even if there's a lot of arguing about the whole blood magic thing xD

If I were going to roleplay your Hawke, according to her opinion about blood mages, I would probably choose rivalry .

[Northern Sun]

Tyrium wrote...

Heya Merrill fans - just popping in with a quick question - do you think it's "better" to rival or friendship Merrill? I don't plan to romance her (my Hawke goes for Anders), but with my Hawke both would be in character - she's a sarcastic mage, nearly as passionate about the mage cause as Anders, but she thinks blood magic is dangerous and stupid. I have played it as both, but I'm not sure which I prefer. What do the experts here think?

For the romance: rival produces far more drama and angst, which is nice from a story perspective, and I think it's probably better for her in the long-term once all the dust regarding her quests settles. However, I find that Merrill on the rival path is a bit…depressed for my liking. Someone who says things like "You can't save me, it's not worth trying." and "If I live to be 1000 I'll never deserve you" doesn't seem to me to be an indication of a healthy mind or relationship.

And if you're RPing a Hawke who hates blood magic, definitly go rival. Kirby came here once and said that Merrill gives up blood magic after her act 3 quest if she's rivaled(from a story perspective, she still uses her Blood of the First ability).

Modifié par Northern Sun, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Wulfram]

Friendship vs Rivalry for me mostly comes down to the Arulin'holm. I tend to feel that keeping it from her feels too much like active sabotage, unless the Hawke in question is extremely strongly against blood magic.

Modifié par Wulfram, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:52 .

[LobselVith8]

Tyrium wrote...

Heya Merrill fans - just popping in with a quick question - do you think it's "better" to rival or friendship Merrill? I don't plan to romance her (my Hawke goes for Anders), but with my Hawke both would be in character - she's a sarcastic mage, nearly as passionate about the mage cause as Anders, but she thinks blood magic is dangerous and stupid. I have played it as both, but I'm not sure which I prefer. What do the experts here think?

I chose Friendship for my apostate Hawke. Merrill studied the lore about the Eluvian and extrapolated information from the shard, so she's in a position of being informed about the risks and value of the restored Eluvian while Hawke is in a position of ignorance about it. Even Marethari - as Keeper - doesn't seem to have done the kind of academic research that Gaider addressed Merrill did when she reconstructed the Eluvian from the shard she took in Ferelden.

As for Anders, he often disagrees with Merrill because his position comes from being an Andrastian - which he why he sees the distinction of spirits and demons in terms of the "Maker's First Children," while Merrill sees the denizens of the Fade in a way that doesn't pertain to the Andrastian faith.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Don't like Blood magic? Rivalry.
Ok with Blood magic? Friendship.
Simple as that. XD

[jlb524]

My Hawke goes the friendship path with Merrill because she repects her for what she's trying to do for her people.  Merrill took the initiative and tried to restore a piece of lost elven magical lore without any aid from her clan, which is what Dalish elves are supposed to do, in theory at least.  It seems most just want to sit around the bonfire and tell stories about how the humans screwed them over twice.  Merrill actually tries to do something to enrich their cultural knowldedge/lore even if it's by a small amount. 

Of course, there are dangers associated with the task but I'd say 99.9% of Hawke's adventures are quite dangerous and she usually brings Merrill along..so there 

I particularly like the friendship romance because it depicts trust growing between the two (and is, hence, deeper in my eyes).  Merrill trusts Hawke enough to open up and show her the doubts that have been plaguing her about the whole mirror ordeal.   Rival!Merrill seems to close shut.  Sure, the rival path is 'angstier' but given that Merrill's DA2 character arc has a crap ton of angst built in, it's nice to have one portion of her story 'angst free' (IMO).

I also like the idea that Hawke is the only one supporting her work.  Granted, Hawke can only provide moral support and I doubt that even a Mage!Hawke could provide any insight into the workings of the mirror but it's nice to have someone in your corner especially when everyone else you've known your entire life has completely shunned you.  I should add, I do wish more people supported Merrill (like, her clan and Marethari) but since that's definitely not the case, I think it's good that Merrill at least has Hawke.

Of course, if you despise the use of blood magic (as mentioned) then forget all this XD

Wulfram wrote...
Friendship vs Rivalry for me mostly comes down to the Arulin'holm. I tend to feel that keeping it from her feels too much like active sabotage, unless the Hawke in question is extremely strongly against blood magic.

It's not just sabatoge, it's theft as it rightfully belongs to Merrill and not Hawke.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:06 .

[Raging Nug]

I find that a lot of the stigma against Blood Magic is because it's powerful, and often unpredictable. I myself don't like to use it (there's never enough constitution to go around as it is), but ethically I don't have problems with characters using it on themselves.

Now, when someone 'else's' life force is used, that ought to be when it becomes a lot less ambiguous, but our Merrill never does that, does she?

[Chun Hei]

jlb524 wrote...

It's not just sabatoge, it's theft as it rightfully belongs to Merrill and not Hawke.

The Keeper gave it to Hawke. It was Hawke's party after all. I do not think we are ever given enough information to know if this is "legal" or if the Keeper is pulling a fast one. She then begs Hawke not to let Merrill use it.

[TEWR]

Chun Hei wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's not just sabatoge, it's theft as it rightfully belongs to Merrill and not Hawke.

The Keeper gave it to Hawke. It was Hawke's party after all. I do not think we are ever given enough information to know if this is "legal" or if the Keeper is pulling a fast one. She then begs Hawke not to let Merrill use it.

The deal was between Merrill and Marethari, as it's strictly an elven ritual. If Hawke was legally allowed to take the Arulin'holm at the end of the quest, Marethari should've made it clear to Hawke that he could receive it. Since she didn't, Hawke wasn't the one who was supposed to receive it.

He's only a witness to a deal that is Elven in nature. Marethari makes it clear that any member of the People (the Dalish) can request the item as it belongs to all of them. Hawke is not one of them. He is a human.

Marethari broke the deal and that is one of the many reasons why I won't side with her. Ever. Merrill is in the right.

[Tyrium]

Hmmn, thanks for the opinions guys! I'm still a little torn, will have to do some thinking. While my Hawke thinks blood magic is dangerous and stupid, that is more because she knows what could go wrong. Merrill is careful, so the RP could work in friendship path - ie she acknowledges that Merrill is doing her best to be careful. And she never uses anyone else's "life energy" to power her spells, so the ethical problem isn't there. I tend to lean towards friendship, but rivalry may be better justified ... gah, stupid game getting me to care so much about fictional characters!

[Xilizhra]

Rivalry accomplishes nothing that friendship doesn't do better. Trust me.

[Reaver102]

Well Merrill does stop using blood magic if you go rivalry, with friendship path she continues using it. So as others have said it comes down to approving of blood magic or not. And with the way Mirror Image works you do not have to be mean to her to achieve rivalry points as you get them literally all at once.

[TEWR]

Yea Merrill doesn't use the blood of other people, has no intention of summoning demons, and is very cautious.

She and Jowan are so far the only good intentioned blood mages we've ever met, though Jowan was a bit of a bumbler at first and ****ed up a lot.

[Zjarcal]

Wulfram wrote...
Friendship vs Rivalry for me mostly comes down to the Arulin'holm. I tend to feel that keeping it from her feels too much like active sabotage, unless the Hawke in question is extremely strongly against blood magic.

Now I have this image of Merrill going "SABOTEUR!!" during the rivalry path... 

[jlb524]

Chun Hei wrote...
The Keeper gave it to Hawke. It was Hawke's party after all. I do not think we are ever given enough information to know if this is "legal" or if the Keeper is pulling a fast one. She then begs Hawke not to let Merrill use it.

I think we have plenty of information such as Marethari saying that the tool belongs to everyone in the clan, even Merrill.  If a clan member wants the tool, they invoke a right to claim it.  Merrill did this (not Hawke).

Hawke isn't a member of the Sabrae clan and isn't even an elf.

Marethari also looked at Merrill when she made the deal.

Sure, the Keeper gave it to Hawke but she's just as bad if not worse than a Hawke that keeps the thing.  It was illegal for Marethari to give the tool to Hawke by Dalish law, which was the law that was in play at the camp.  She might as well have kept the damn thing or denied Merrill from the start if she didn't want Merrill to have it....it's almost as if she was trying to play some game with Hawke and Merrill.

[TEWR]

you know what upsets me? Having sex with Isabela for kicks, then romancing Merrill but being unable to kiss Merrill in the endgame.

[bleetman]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

you know what upsets me? Having sex with Isabela for kicks, then romancing Merrill but being unable to kiss Merrill in the endgame.

Wait, what?

[TEWR]

bleetman wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

you know what upsets me? Having sex with Isabela for kicks, then romancing Merrill but being unable to kiss Merrill in the endgame.

Wait, what?

It happened to me once. I had sex with Isabela but established that it was just a fling, then I romanced Merrill. When the endgame came along I talked to Merrill but was unable to kiss her at all. I reloaded 3 times before giving up.

Either it's a bug or the game assumes my Hawke didn't truly love Merrill, which isn't true. He did.

[jlb524]

It's a bug.

I did that exact thing my first playthrough (I was trying to romance Isabela and failed!) and I got a kiss from Merrill at the end.

I don't know if one of the newer patches have effed it up since then...maybe?

Modifié par jlb524, 19 octobre 2011 - 12:44 .

[TEWR]

So I should be able to have sex with Isabela and romance Merrill and be able to kiss her? Cool.

Time to go below decks!