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[Wulfram]

I had the same problem once. Since Varric still said that Merrill stayed with Hawke, hopefully it won't cause problems for any imports.

[Jacopo07]

jlb524 wrote...

It's a bug.

I did that exact thing my first playthrough (I was trying to romance Isabela and failed!) and I got a kiss from Merrill at the end.

I don't know if one of the newer patches have effed it up since then...maybe?

same to me, I had no problem kissing her. I was playing with no patches installed as well.

[MagmaSaiyan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

So I should be able to have sex with Isabela and romance Merrill and be able to kiss her? Cool.

Time to go below decks!

weird i did the same, Isabela, then Merril and was able to, did you play it within the month it was out? cause it might of been part of the bugs(but no idea when they started fixing these)
im more pissed off that after having to do act2 completely over just to keep Isabela i still didnt end up in a romance with her(damn ghost bug)

[TEWR]

Oh I've always done monagamous playthroughs. It's time for something different, especially in terms of how I roleplay this Hawke.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Oh I've always done monagamous playthroughs. It's time for something different, especially in terms of how I roleplay this Hawke.

I understand what you're saying. My Surana Warden was like that, given the nature of the Circle of Ferelden (in an enviornment that wasn't likely to promote a long-lasting, monagamous relationship) and Awakening Anders' apparent attitude towards carnal contact. I figure he would have been more 'free minded' until he started getting a serious grasp about love and a long-lasting, one-on-one relationship now that he was free from the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars. I actually made a conscious effort to try to have my apostate, ethnically Antivan Hawke be different as a consequence by being monagamous. Out of curiousity, how did you handle your Warden?

By the way, did you ever get Isabela's dialogue at the Hanged Man, after you start a romance with Merrill (where she's in the white armor)? I got it when I clicked on her, not realizing she was going to say that. It made me realize she takes her friendship with Merrill seriously. And Isabela's tone with Merrill when she speaks about Hawke is different - she doesn't seem to lament losing Hawke if they never got together (although I wonder why they cut Merrill's "later... when Hawke's not listening" from the initial conversation between Isabela and Merrill speaking about Hawke's performance).

[jlb524]

I've gotten the Isabela dialog, but it's different with Female Hawke.

If you sleep with Isabela but tell her it was only 'just for fun' she doesn't lament losing Hawke either, as the relationship was just sex.

That actually doesn't count as romancing Isabela...you won't even get the kiss from her at the end.

[Vlad_Dracul]

I have only one argument, why all my Hawkes romanced her: She is soooo cute!

Blood magic is just type of magic. Back off templars. Only a little chat with demons, not a big deal.

By the way, why Dalish are so cruel to her? Only keepers like she or Velanna can change something. First, knowledge is power. Second, Dalish are extremely vulnerable even shattered in clans, so without conflict, blood and violance or new knowledge they cannot survive. Its a pity that I couldnt only punch them after Maretharis sacrifice. Elves in cities are nothing for them, every dalish elf who want to change something is exiled. To the Void with them, prude morons...

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Out of curiousity, how did you handle your Warden?

For Xanthos Aeducan, he always enjoyed having various sexual encounters back in Orzammar. It was something he enjoyed when he wasn't flexing his political muscle. Took his mind off of things and all that. By his nature, he's an extremely flirty person. He didn't do it though because he was interested in solely sex. It was just his nature. Similar to -- but not exactly the same -- as Isabela's.  He respected women just fine and would take care of them if they had a child. That's actually partially why he had sex so much. He wanted to see if more Dwarven babies would be made, since the Darkspawn were pressing in against the Dwarves in what few passages were still usable.

When Mardy and whatshername came along (I find it funny that I can't remember her name when I roleplayed Xanthos Aeducan to also be unable to remember her name after everything that happened in the Deep Roads), he jumped at the opportunity to have a threesome. Granted, he originally wanted Gorim to have one, but they were only interested in Xanthos so he took them both home.

After being exiled, he stayed the same. He flirted with women every chance he got, and if he thought he could get anywhere with them he took it.

Eventually, he began to fall in love with both Morrigan and Leliana, and when he was forced to choose he picked Leliana over Morrigan. However, the love was still there for Morrigan and he couldn't just stop it. It was there. It was powerful. It was clawing at him and tearing him apart.

When he went back to Orzammar and saw the Golden Mirror for sale, he bought it and immediately gave it to Morrigan. He wanted to be with her again, but used his sharp mind to also be with Leliana.

When Morrigan proposed the Dark Ritual, he did it for a good number of reasons:

1) Love
2) Powerful half-Dwarven baby, with the blood of a powerful sorceress and the blood of the most powerful and smartest Dwarf to ever grace Thedas
3) Be the first known Warden to live after slaying the Archdemon, which might serve as a morale boost for the Dwarves back home
4) In my fanfic, he's going to be king of Orzammar so that's another reason why he did it.

LobselVith8 wrote...
By the way, did you ever get Isabela's dialogue at the Hanged Man, after you start a romance with Merrill (where she's in the white armor)? I got it when I clicked on her, not realizing she was going to say that. It made me realize she takes her friendship with Merrill seriously. And Isabela's tone with Merrill when she speaks about Hawke is different - she doesn't seem to lament losing Hawke if they never got together (although I wonder why they cut Merrill's "later... when Hawke's not listening" from the initial conversation between Isabela and Merrill speaking about Hawke's performance).

Yea I got that before. Is it in her questioning beliefs though? If it is, I won't be getting it this playthrough since I already completed it but I haven't slept with Merrill yet.

Isabela and Merrill are very close. Isabela is one of the few people Hawke knows that doesn't hold her using blood magic against her and actually helps her to grow accustomed to city life. Merrill hasn't lived outside the clan ever and even there she was isolated, albeit confident when she was there (as evidenced by what she says to Hahren Paivel and Ilen in Act I, and Marethari later on)

Isabela and Varric are some of her true friends outside of Hawke and family that deeply care for her, and I'm glad the companions aren't all against her.

[DrFumb1ezX]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Eventually, he began to fall in love with both Morrigan and Leliana, and when he was forced to choose he picked Leliana over Morrigan. However, the love was still there for Morrigan and he couldn't just stop it. It was there. It was powerful. It was clawing at him and tearing him apart.

When he went back to Orzammar and saw the Golden Mirror for sale, he bought it and immediately gave it to Morrigan. He wanted to be with her again, but used his sharp mind to also be with Leliana.

A HA! I knew I wasn't the only one who exploited that glitch! My Dalish Warden did the exact same thing with Leliana and Morrigan, so I wonder how DA3 is going to handle that.

Hope I didn't screw my game over.

[jlb524]

Vlad_Dracul wrote...
I have only one argument, why all my Hawkes romanced her: She is soooo cute!

I can't argue with that.

Vlad_Dracul wrote...
By the way, why Dalish are so cruel to her? Only keepers like she or Velanna can change something. First, knowledge is power. Second, Dalish are extremely vulnerable even shattered in clans, so without conflict, blood and violance or new knowledge they cannot survive. Its a pity that I couldnt only punch them after Maretharis sacrifice. Elves in cities are nothing for them, every dalish elf who want to change something is exiled. To the Void with them, prude morons...

I don't know.

In theory, the Dalish are not only supposed to pass on knowledge to the next generation but also supposed to discover new knowledge.

It seems that most Dalish we see want to sit around and complain about how the humans screwed them over twice.  I don't blame them for that but I can't see why they are so completely against Merrill being pro-active in trying to bring back a piece of their history.

With Velanna, she wanted to stand up to the humans that were trying to burn her clan out of the woods.  She probably took it to far but at least she did something.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Isabela and Varric are some of her true friends outside of Hawke and family that deeply care for her, and I'm glad the companions aren't all against her.

I'd say Isabela, Varric, and possibly Hawke are pretty much all Merrill has that do care for her.  Perhaps a Dalish Warden (mine does).

It's hard to say if anyone else in her clan still does.  I guess Marethari did, though it's tough to make sense of her behavior post-Act 1.

Modifié par jlb524, 21 octobre 2011 - 12:23 .

[TEWR]

I'd say Isabela, Varric, and possibly Hawke are pretty much all Merrill has that do care for her. Perhaps a Dalish Warden (mine does).

It's hard to say if anyone else in her clan still does. I guess Marethari did, though it's tough to make sense of her behavior post-Act 1.

Yea they definitely do. I'd also add Bethany to that group, and my Mahariel Warden.

I don't really know if I could consider Carver as a person who cares for her. It just seems like he's only physically attracted to her. Plus there's his stance on blood magic.

A HA! I knew I wasn't the only one who exploited that glitch! My Dalish Warden did the exact same thing with Leliana and Morrigan, so I wonder how DA3 is going to handle that.

Hope I didn't screw my game over.

It's a great glitch .

And hopefully it won't be forgotten since Witch Hunt acknowledged it.

[DrFumb1ezX]

^
That's a good point, but it might make for some awkward conversations come DA3...

[jlb524]

I'd say Merrill and Bethany eventually become sisterly though at first it seems Bethany is a bit put off by the blood magic.
I'd agree that it seems Carver just wants to get in her pants (they barely know each other and all their dialog revolves around his awkward flirting).

Aveline cares by default as she seems to care for everyone in Hawke's inner circle.

Cthulhu42 wrote...
And I'm not sure how Dalish Warden would feel about Merrill when he finds out what happened to his clan...

Mine is okay with Merrill...eventually...my Dalish Warden ultimately blames Flemeth for the ordeal.

She has some strange conspiracy theory going on in her head that Flemeth arranged the entire thing for revenge.  Flemeth is the reason her clan camped at that exact location and she has some sort of deal with Marethari that we don't know of.  My Warden is probably crazy, though.

Modifié par jlb524, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:12 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

jlb524 wrote...
 My Warden is probably crazy, though.

Considering all the s*** that the Dalish Warden had to go through, I'd be more surprised if they weren't insane.

But my Mahariel is probably going to be really pissed at Merrill, JUST for the Eluvian. Not so much Marethari...

[TEWR]

My Mahariel would be skeptical at first, but after seeing her and having gone 7 years with the thing and not being tainted, he'll come to believe it is cleansed. Especially since a bunch of elves became tainted by the shards in the ruins 2.5 years after it was found.

Additionally, since he's a Warden he should be able to sense the taint. Since Anders couldn't, he won't be able to either so that's further proof that it's cleansed.

So he'll at first be skeptical, but after finding out it's safe and how idiotic Marethari acted (Tobias Hawke will explain it to him), he'll be glad Merrill did what she did. It's a piece of their past and that's the duty of the Dalish.

So Anessen Mahariel eventually supports Merrill. Though it could be influenced by all the "frolicking in the woods" they did .

In fact, I should remember this for my ideal DAO story fanfic where Xanthos Aeducan leads the other Wardens from the origin stories against the Blight (alongside the other companions).

[jlb524]

Because I was bored

[ENolan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

My Mahariel would be skeptical at first, but after seeing her and having gone 7 years with the thing and not being tainted, he'll come to believe it is cleansed. Especially since a bunch of elves became tainted by the shards in the ruins 2.5 years after it was found.

Additionally, since he's a Warden he should be able to sense the taint. Since Anders couldn't, he won't be able to either so that's further proof that it's cleansed.

So he'll at first be skeptical, but after finding out it's safe and how idiotic Marethari acted (Tobias Hawke will explain it to him), he'll be glad Merrill did what she did. It's a piece of their past and that's the duty of the Dalish.

So Anessen Mahariel eventually supports Merrill. Though it could be influenced by all the "frolicking in the woods" they did .

In fact, I should remember this for my ideal DAO story fanfic where Xanthos Aeducan leads the other Wardens from the origin stories against the Blight (alongside the other companions).

I can't imagine my Mahariel getting angry. She became more open minded during Origins, (she got her rose and first kiss from Alistair in front of the Zathrian's Dalish camp and took advantage of every HIGH QUALITY item she found, no matter the origin) and became the obvious idol for warriors in Ferelden. Eventually, Kyrina and Alistair will come across Arik Hawke and Merrill and the ultimate high five to end high fives will happen after a day of recounting their lives together.

I hope Kyrina has become more accepting. She's a party member in an original, not fanfiction, story I'm writing. (SHAMELESS PLUG OVER)

Just wondering since I haven't posted in a while, has anyone seen this? If so, sorry for the repost.

[Knight of Dane]

jlb524 wrote...

Because I was bored

Now i wonder what you wouldda made if you were excited..

[Northern Sun]

One of the remaining DLC's should have a quest where Hawke gets Merrill a baby griffon, real or stuffed.

[LobselVith8]

Northern Sun wrote...

One of the remaining DLC's should have a quest where Hawke gets Merrill a baby griffon, real or stuffed.

Doesn't Merrill mention to Hawke about getting a wyvern, and making certain it doesn't eat the neighbors? Now I know what my post-Act III apostate Hawke and Merrill are up to.

[Vlad_Dracul]

jlb524 wrote...

Vlad_Dracul wrote...
By the way, why Dalish are so cruel to her? Only keepers like she or Velanna can change something. First, knowledge is power. Second, Dalish are extremely vulnerable even shattered in clans, so without conflict, blood and violance or new knowledge they cannot survive. Its a pity that I couldnt only punch them after Maretharis sacrifice. Elves in cities are nothing for them, every dalish elf who want to change something is exiled. To the Void with them, prude morons...

I don't know.

In theory, the Dalish are not only supposed to pass on knowledge to the next generation but also supposed to discover new knowledge.

It seems that most Dalish we see want to sit around and complain about how the humans screwed them over twice.  I don't blame them for that but I can't see why they are so completely against Merrill being pro-active in trying to bring back a piece of their history.

With Velanna, she wanted to stand up to the humans that were trying to burn her clan out of the woods.  She probably took it to far but at least she did something.

When they want retake at least some piece of ancient Elvhenan, why Dalish still hiding themselves? What about unending guerilla war against Orlais, Nevarra and Free Marches? Fenris said, that Fog Warriors fought in jungles against Tevinters. In colder south isnt jungle, but asymetric war with shems, destroyed merchant roads etc., this is what Dalish could to do, as did Velanna in Amaranthine.

And if Orlais or somebody will send armies, it will be like ancient battle in teutobur forest: a few roman legions exterminated to zero by barbarians in two day long  massacre by archers and fast attacks.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

My Mahariel would be
skeptical at first, but after seeing her and having gone 7 years with
the thing and not being tainted, he'll come to believe it is cleansed.
Especially since a bunch of elves became tainted by the shards in the
ruins 2.5 years after it was found.

So Anessen Mahariel eventually supports Merrill. Though it could be influenced by all the "frolicking in the woods" they did .

Athelstan Mahariel is with Merrill too. Just pragmatic elf: Loghain was used by him against archdemon, and didnt agree with Morrigans ritual for Old God survival. But he couldnt destroy Anvil of the Void, cause end of dwarven empire was more brutal than fall of Elvhenan. Only last two outposts and a few remnants from in the past times powerful race. Zathrian is as much as alive. Curse was justice, and his knowledge and wisdom is more important than few shems which tortured, killed or raped dalish.

Only one thing Athelstan regret: that he couldnt take Shianni and other Elves from horrible shemlen city to the forests. Actions, not talks. So Merrill has full support from him <3

[Knight of Dane]

Vlad_Dracul wrote...
Curse was justice, and his knowledge and wisdom is more important than few shems which tortured, killed or raped dalish.

Get your facts straight.

[sunnydxmen]

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