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ydaraishy wrote...

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She kind of reminds me of Tali, if Tali were more awkward and idiosyncratic.


Tali's too much of an extrovert. And when have we seen any interest of Tali towards flowers and giving them to Shepard? Totes different.


Yes, that may be true except for the fact that there aren't any flowers on the Normandy. I hope that in ME3 the Normandy has an aeroponics farm and Tali would probably be able to grow some flowers and give them to Shepard. I can totally see that happening. One thing Tali needs to do as well is to slash her wrists whenever she activates her combat drone.

I've recently gotten Merrill and am still deciding how to use her. I don't want her to exsanguinate or anything. That blood mage stuff is a bit disconcerting.

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The Blood Magic is what makes her the strongest mage in the game :]

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I've been replaying the Dalish origin story in DAO and is it me or does Merrill come across as being older than Merrill in DA2? There she comes across as being very calm, confident and relatively mature. I get the fact that DA2 Merrill might be more nervous with Hawke and companions as she is not used to humans but she also confesses to being nervous of talking to Marathari. Now however disapproving the Keeper might be, the Merrill of DAO doesn't strike me as someone who would hold back from confrontation once she had decided on something. The only time you get a hint of the old Merrill is when Hawke refuses to give her the tool or return to Sundermount but even then it seems a forced attempt at authority and of course she then backtracks later on and apologises. I just don't see the Merrill of DAO doing that. Being assertive would come more naturally and she would not back down if she felt herself to be in the right. I like both versions of Merrill but they strike me as two completely different people.

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You put too much thought into a old version you only know for ten minutes anyway.

Also, why should she be nervous of Marethari in Origins? She hasn't taken up blood magic or cleansed the Eluvian yet.

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So far, I've noticed that Varric seems to be fond of Merrill. He pays off thugs so she can wander around Lowtown at night w/o getting jumped. And he calls her Daisy too. Methinks he doth fancy her.

I support Feathers the griffin.

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Ravensword wrote...

So far, I've noticed that Varric seems to be fond of Merrill. He pays off thugs so she can wander around Lowtown at night w/o getting jumped. And he calls her Daisy too. Methinks he doth fancy her.

I support Feathers the griffin.




Varric's affection is quite fatherly, and that's as far as it goes. Carver wants to get into her pants, and that's literally about all he wants to do concerning her, it seems. Elf fetish.

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DoNotIngest wrote...
Female Elf fetish.

Corrected.

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DoNotIngest wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So far, I've noticed that Varric seems to be fond of Merrill. He pays off thugs so she can wander around Lowtown at night w/o getting jumped. And he calls her Daisy too. Methinks he doth fancy her.

I support Feathers the griffin.




Varric's affection is quite fatherly, and that's as far as it goes. Carver wants to get into her pants, and that's literally about all he wants to do concerning her, it seems. Elf fetish.


Oh, I see what you mean about Varric. Oh, and Carver is dead in my game. I don't know how he's alive in all of your games. An ogre introduced his head to the ground.

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play as a mage.

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He died b/c I wasn't a mage?

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Yep, and if you are a mage, then Bethany will die in his place.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 09 novembre 2011 - 03:00 .


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That sucks. Was that done for balancing purposes? They don't want you to overwhelm your enemy w/ warriors and rogues or mages?

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Ravensword wrote...

That sucks. Was that done for balancing purposes? They don't want you to overwhelm your enemy w/ warriors and rogues or mages?


so they say, but I just think that's very poor reasoning. I can still overwhelm my enemies with a group of 3 of every class.

It's my belief that the Mage-Templar conflict would've been strengthened considerably had both Bethany and Carver lived.

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Nah, they just did it to ****** us off ;)

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Gervaise wrote...

I've been replaying the Dalish origin story in DAO and is it me or does Merrill come across as being older than Merrill in DA2? There she comes across as being very calm, confident and relatively mature.


The only people she talks to in the Dalish Origin are Mahariel, Fenarel, and Marethari. In DAII she says she was friends with Mahariel, so of course she would be confident there. In DAII, there is a bit of banter between Fenarel and Merrill where they talk IIRC, and again she's confident. And with Marethari, she hadn't taken up blood magic or taken the Eluvian shard, so there wasn't really any noticeable reason for Merrill to not be confident around her.

That said, DAII shows us that her confidence amongst the clan goes beyond those 3. She tells Master Ilen that the clan needs to shove their fears of the old ways up their ass and tells Hahren Paivel to just shut up and she'll eventually leave.

As for her being older, if you mean looks-wise she is older I didn't see it. I thought both incarnations looked the same age. If you mean by her persona, then again I don't see her being "older" than DAII's Merrill.

I get the fact that DA2 Merrill might be more nervous with Hawke and companions as she is not used to humans

 
That's exactly it. That's what I've been saying to many Merrill-bashers who say "Oh she's do dumb because she doesn't know what to do in Kirkwall!"

The fact of the matter is that she's only met one human before: Duncan. And that was her first time ever meeting with one. She's nervous around humans because she's never been around them for significant amounts of time. And that's natural.

but she also confesses to being nervous of talking to Marathari.


At first yes, but immediately after Hawke says to Merrill that he's there to support her, she regains her confidence. After the Varterral is slain in that quest, she gets angry with the Keeper and her confidence is clear as daylight. 

Now however disapproving the Keeper might be, the Merrill of DAO doesn't strike me as someone who would hold back from confrontation once she had decided on something.


Neither did DAII's Merrill. Hence why she decided to continue her work on the Eluvian despite the Keeper disagreeing with Merrill's choice in various ways. 

The only time you get a hint of the old Merrill is when Hawke refuses to give her the tool or return to Sundermount but even then it seems a forced attempt at authority and of course she then backtracks later on and apologises. I just don't see the Merrill of DAO doing that. Being assertive would come more naturally and she would not back down if she felt herself to be in the right. I like both versions of Merrill but they strike me as two completely different people.



DAII Merrill is assertive around Marethari.

"We did what you asked. Now give me the Arulin'holm".

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Knight of Dane wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Female Elf fetish.

Corrected.

Don't make me imagine Carver jumping Fenris.. Posted Image


I don't know...Carver does want to show Fenris his dog tattoo...and make it bark.

Ravensword wrote...

I support Feathers the griffin.


Hell yeah, and that avatar is FREAKIN me out!  :P

Modifié par jlb524, 09 novembre 2011 - 04:20 .


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^ Thanks. I'm glad you like it.:D

I used to take Fenris w/ me but he kept insulting Bethany and Merrill, during her "recruitment mission." I was also accruing rivalry points w/ him so I replaced him w/ Merrill. Too bad. I like his VA and I think he would've made an interesting character.

I actually like the conversations that Merrill has w/ Bethany and Varric. Bethany Merrill seem interested in each other simply b/c each has something the other wants. Merrill wishes that she could be surrounded by friends and family while Bethany wishes that she can live in a Dalish like society where mages aren't forced to join the Circle.

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 novembre 2011 - 12:53 .


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That was what i thought too, but apparently Hawke thinks they dislike one another.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:10 .


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Yeah, that's a bit weird. I figured it was because of the occasion comment Bethany makes about Merrill being a blood mage, something she presumably isn't a big fan of. But it's not really expressed by anything that happens between the two of them in game, which seems like something of an oversight.

Bethany's also pretty supporting of Merrill in the dlc, especially of her relationship with Hawke (if there is one), when you'd think that a Circle mage at least would be even less happy about the idea.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

That was what i thought too, but apparently Hawke thinks they dislike one another.


When Bethany is taken to the Circle, Merrill came to my Hawke's room to console him (even though I wasn't romancing her, but I guess she had the most "friendship" at the time). During that visit she even says something to effect of "I know we didn't get along, but I'll miss her." It makes me wonder if there was some dialog that was cut out somewhere.

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No one's going to the damn Circle!

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Abispa wrote...

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That was what i thought too, but apparently Hawke thinks they dislike one another.


When Bethany is taken to the Circle, Merrill came to my Hawke's room to console him (even though I wasn't romancing her, but I guess she had the most "friendship" at the time). During that visit she even says something to effect of "I know we didn't get along, but I'll miss her." It makes me wonder if there was some dialog that was cut out somewhere.

That scene has nothing to do with friendship, it triggers if Behtany/Carver doesn't become a warden and is started same way as when you go to say hi to your other companions after act 2's start.

And: I wouldn't be surprised if there was. Merrill is the companion that is the most ignored by the developers anyway, but even if, Carver/Bethany's relationship with the companions was never really fleshed out enough.
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#15998
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Uh-oh. Spoilers. I better go play DA2 to catch up w/ these discussions.

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jlb524 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...
Female Elf fetish.

Corrected.

Don't make me imagine Carver jumping Fenris.. Posted Image


I don't know...Carver does want to show Fenris his dog tattoo...and make it bark.




You just know there's a dozen different fan arts of that out there.




...And so DNI became a little more afraid of the unknown.

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She kind of reminds me of Tali, if Tali were more awkward and idiosyncratic.

My first thought upon encountering Merrill was "Wow, she's awfully similar to Tali."

This of course inevitably led to my second thought, which was "She must be romanced."