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[Sarcastic Tasha]

I don't have a dalish warden that I've finished the game with (I prefer the City Elf origin) but I did have a go of the dalish origin recently just to see old style Merrill (makes me want to re-voice her with a Welsh accent because she just doesn't sound right). But I would say that Merrill could pwn any of my wardens so even if Maheriel did take issue with Merrill she wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Slightly strange hypothetical question. If Merrill were a Mass Effect character what class would she be?

[Leo]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Slightly strange hypothetical question. If Merrill were a Mass Effect character what class would she be?

Merrill would be a Vanguard of course.

[Ulathar]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
Slightly strange hypothetical question. If Merrill were a Mass Effect character what class would she be?

I'm pretty sure she'd be an Adept.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

My first thought was adept because biotics are pretty much magic. But Merrill isn't as squishy as an adept so I agree with @Pious_Augustine I think Merrill would make a pretty good vanguard.

[Xilizhra]

Wouldn't that be a Sentinel? Merrill's not all that aggressive or melee-focused.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Merrill's rock armour could become tech armour and her chain lightning could become overload so sentinel could make sense. But Merrill is a good damage dealer which made me think vanguard. 'Tis true she doesn't really have melee moves but she is suited to getting into melee range with her wrath of the elven and ensnare. Plus stone's throw is similar to charge.

[Todd23]

In the Dragon Age universe, there are only Engineers (rogues), Soldiers (warriors), and Adepts (mages). I would actually like to see a dual weapon mage go stealth, or something like that. I was always annoyed that my rogue couldn't be a templar. It would be really cool if DA3 had inbetweeners.

[Xilizhra]

So, what do you think Merrill thinks about the mage/templar war in general? Would she ever participate in it, especially if she romanced Hawke? I personally suspect she might, but perhaps in a unique way...

[thats1evildude]

As she'll die to defend the mages, she feels pretty strongly about the matter. To what extent she and Hawke participate in it … I dunno. I guess that depends on how DA2 ends.

I doubt the two of them are out at Andoral's Reach with the other mage rebels repelling a siege by the templars, though.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Merrill seemed pretty apathetic about the whole mage/templar thing throughout most of the game. Saying "its not my fight" to Anders. Hawke can be the same way as well. So even though I think Anders was wrong in what he did, he was right that most people aren't willing to do anything unless they are forced to make a choice.

Merrill may sympathise with the mages but they aren't her people, best to leave the stupid shemlen to their war, Merrill has better things to do like make cool mirrors. If Hawke really wanted to fight for the mages I'm sure Merrill would join her but that's not the ending I envision for Merrill and Hawke.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, what do you think Merrill thinks about the mage/templar war in general? Would she ever participate in it, especially if she romanced Hawke? I personally suspect she might, but perhaps in a unique way...

Anders can tell an apostate Hawke that he is the leader the mages have been waiting centuries for. The dialogue suggests more than once that an apostate Hawke could become a leader of the rebel mages.

As for Merrill, she supports mages throughout the story, and believes they deserve to be free of the templars. I can see her working with an apostate Hawke if the two of them are in a romance.

[TEWR]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Merrill seemed pretty apathetic about the whole mage/templar thing throughout most of the game. Saying "its not my fight" to Anders.

Well, I think at that point that while she didn't want to be an active part in it, she certainly supported it. Because she can tell Fenris that "Injustice cannot be answered with injustice" when you take Fenris to the Gallows for the first time.

She'll also state that Andraste freed the Elves and the Chantry took back their freedom to him, to which Fenris will (erroneously) ask her who it was that enslaved them in the first place. While it's true Magisters enslaved the Elves, it's more important to note the race of people that enslaved the Elves -- Humans.

Come the endgame, she's willing to fight for what's right, especially if Hawke's in a romance with her. Aveline will ask her why she's remained for so long -- prior to Anders' spectacle -- and if in a romance with Hawke she'll say that it's because she loves Hawke. Saying that to herself provides her a level of comfort.

I'm more interested in whether or not this will have ramifications amongst the Elves -- both Dalish and city-born -- if she fought alongside Hawke. I would hope so, but I doubt Bioware would even think of doing anything that seems remotely awesome.

[Xilizhra]

Well, I think at that point that while she didn't want to be an active part in it, she certainly supported it. Because she can tell Fenris that "Injustice cannot be answered with injustice" when you take Fenris to the Gallows for the first time.

She'll also state that Andraste freed the Elves and the Chantry took back their freedom to him, to which Fenris will (erroneously) ask her who it was that enslaved them in the first place. While it's true Magisters enslaved the Elves, it's more important to note the race of people that enslaved the Elves -- Humans.

I've never heard that before... of course, I always brought Anders to the Gallows along with Merrill for that first time. I suppose I could try it, but Anders friendship points can be a bit hard to come by...

I'm more interested in whether or not this will have ramifications amongst the Elves -- both Dalish and city-born -- if she fought alongside Hawke. I would hope so, but I doubt Bioware would even think of doing anything that seems remotely awesome.

I'm thinking of having my canon Warden be Dalish and not a mage to make the story seem like it's continuing through a certain theme of characters, but to make that decision finally, I'd need to see DA3.

[jlb524]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
Merrill seemed pretty apathetic about the whole mage/templar thing throughout most of the game. Saying "its not my fight" to Anders.  

I always interpreted that as Merrill not really approving much of Anders' version of "fight" but she had always supported mage freedom in spite of thinking he was a bit nutso.

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
Merrill seemed pretty apathetic about the whole mage/templar thing throughout most of the game. Saying "its not my fight" to Anders.  

I always interpreted that as Merrill not really approving much of Anders' version of "fight" but she had always supported mage freedom in spite of thinking he was a bit nutso.

Yeah, saying Merrill is apathetic regarding the mage/templar issue kinda sounds like something Anders would say xD

[Sifr]

The thing about Hawke is that, I can't see them honestly wanting to be the leader of the Rebel Mages. I can see Hawke perhaps leading them, but only as a means to try and curb the more violent Apostates from going off the deep end like Anders did.

That said, I could see Merrill working with Hawke during the rebellion, but not on the front lines. I imagine she'd instead be very good at teaching the children back at the rebel camps; though of course, blood magic would definitely be off the curriculum.

[draken-heart]

Merrill will also side with the Templars if maxed friend or rival. a romanced Merrill seems to show more of a Support for Hawke and what he/she believes is right.

[Sifr]

It's possible that Merrill is simply in favour of supporting the Templars because they are the only people keeping the Mages under control. Hawke seems to favour letting the Mages police themselves to keep their people in line.

Given that Merrill gets very self-destructive if she's not romanced, I'd say that it's not a big leap to believe that Mages occasionally need someone to slap sense into them and stop them going off the deep end.

Even if a romanced Hawke isn't a Mage, aside from Renegade Hawke, the other personalities seem to favour the idea of policing Mages with other Mages?

Modifié par Sifr1449, 04 août 2012 - 08:15 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

jlb524 wrote...

I always interpreted that as Merrill not really approving much of Anders' version of "fight" but she had always supported mage freedom in spite of thinking he was a bit nutso.

You can see that Merrill thinks mages should be free when she voices her opinion during mage related quests. But she doesn't really care enough to actually do something about it. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, at least she isn't blowing things up to prove a point.

jwalker wrote...

Yeah, saying Merrill is apathetic regarding the mage/templar issue kinda sounds like something Anders would say xD

Your right it does sound like something Anders would say (a little worrying perhaps). But I'm not saying it as a negative. Merrill is apathetic about the mage/templar conflict in the same way that most people are apathetic about politics. Take myself for an example: I think that the government is crap, I think they're corrupt and that they don't really care about our country. But do I do anything about it? No, other than voting (which is only voting for a lesser evil really) and whinging. But short of becoming a terrorist what can I really do? I certainly don't care enough to do that. That's what I think Merrill is like, she cares about the mages but not enough to take action. The templars don't bother her personally so why rock the boat? Especially when she's busy helping her own people.

[Wulfram]

I'd like to see democracy in [foreign country], but I'm not likely to go and fight for it because it's not my country.

I think Merrill sees it more or less the same way. She doesn't define herself as a mage but as an Elf and a Dalish Elf in particular, so it's not her fight. A massacre in the city she's living in is hard to ignore, but that doesn't mean she'd want to sign up for the revolution.

[LobselVith8]

Sifr1449 wrote...

The thing about Hawke is that, I can't see them honestly wanting to be the leader of the Rebel Mages. I can see Hawke perhaps leading them, but only as a means to try and curb the more violent Apostates from going off the deep end like Anders did.

Hawke can tell Anders that he wants to depose the templars (in Act III), and that he wants to kill all the templars (during Dissent).

Sifr1449 wrote...

That said, I could see Merrill working with Hawke during the rebellion, but not on the front lines. I imagine she'd instead be very good at teaching the children back at the rebel camps; though of course, blood magic would definitely be off the curriculum.

She could be a Keeper to a new generation of mages.

[Xilizhra]

How would a Keeper work outside the Dalish cultural context? I know that I like the symbolism of the ring gift for her, but I don't know how it'd go.

[LobselVith8]

Xilizhra wrote...

How would a Keeper work outside the Dalish cultural context? I know that I like the symbolism of the ring gift for her, but I don't know how it'd go.

I was thinking symbolically, but I would imagine some Dalish may join the fight, perhaps to reclaim the Dales.

[Xilizhra]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

How would a Keeper work outside the Dalish cultural context? I know that I like the symbolism of the ring gift for her, but I don't know how it'd go.

I was thinking symbolically, but I would imagine some Dalish may join the fight, perhaps to reclaim the Dales.

I'm just curious as to how the symbolism would work.

[TEWR]

I imagine that she would teach an Elven generation of Mages about everything she knows about magic -- both from when she studied under Marethari when the Keeper wasn't a colossal **** and anything she's learned from Hawke, Anders, Bethany, Fenris, and just life in Kirkwall in general.

She'd also teach them about how they should respect their gift of magic, use it like the Creators want them to, and maybe even tell them about the Creators. I'm certain there aren't very many Elven Mages that truly believe in the Maker, considering they've been historically enslaved, freed, conquered, enslaved again (virtually or blatantly), and corralled like cattle.

Whereas a culture that not only has a pantheon that cared for the Elves and -- if you believe the tales -- was unable to assist their friends might just garner a crapton of converts, as opposed to being a part of a religion that worships a God that said "**** it" to the people on his planet.