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[the_one_54321]

Atakuma wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...
That's like having a first hand experience with fire burning down your village and not knowing it's also great for killing bacteria in food.

Have you ever talked to fire?

This fire has a will of its own and can follow complex instructions. That means it can be used even more effectively for the purposes of good and helping others, right?

[SnakeHelah]

Well, as far as that goes, I wouldn't really have much of a problem to accept if she's a blood mage. Though it's pretty unusual, so it might need some getting use to. But we can't base that she's a blood mage just on one conversation, come on!

[Addai]

Atakuma wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...
That's like having a first hand experience with fire burning down your village and not knowing it's also great for killing bacteria in food.

Have you ever talked to fire?

Just because people believe blood magic came from demons- and the game does seem to support that, since can only get the spec from a demon- doesn't mean that the practices aren't also out in the world somewhere, to be learned either through mentors or books, the same way you learn any magic school.

Are people saying Merrill couldn't be a blood mage just because she's cute?  (eurk... why did they have to make a Dalish companion "cute"... whywhywhy )

[Atakuma]

nevermind

Modifié par Atakuma, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:39 .

[Maria Caliban]

imported_beer wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

That sounds very appealing. I wonder if they'd do the same with Bethany and someone? Fenris and city elves, maybe?

If I were given just half a chance, I'd hook up everyone in the free marches to each other and be the universal Godmother. That would be how i'd become champion of Kirkwall. That and dancing. Not by exploding some Qunari guy. 

They did mention in that story diary that you get a sense of family. I think it is very big sisterly like to torment your sis or bro about dating. 

I have no siblings. I am interested in Mama Hawke's evaluation of the various love interests for PC and their siblings.

[the_one_54321]

Atakuma wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
This fire has a will of its own and can follow complex instructions. That means it can be used even more effectively for the purposes of good and helping others, right?

Not if it has a will of it's own. That's just naive.

But it's limited by how much blood you're using, isn't it? So as long as you aren't bleeding people to death, what's the problem? What's a little blood between friends?

[raziel3080]

Addai67 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...
That's like having a first hand experience with fire burning down your village and not knowing it's also great for killing bacteria in food.

Have you ever talked to fire?

Just because people believe blood magic came from demons- and the game does seem to support that, since can only get the spec from a demon- doesn't mean that the practices aren't also out in the world somewhere, to be learned either through mentors or books, the same way you learn any magic school.

Are people saying Merrill couldn't be a blood mage just because she's cute?  (eurk... why did they have to make a Dalish companion "cute"... whywhywhy )

LMAO... I guess being a blood mage and being cute just don't fit the same mind set...though to me this more or less puts Merrill more on the Morrigan pathline of being a mage( which is what I ALWAYS did with Morrigan, was make her a blood mage after I got said spec). I personally don't mind it and she will defientely combo with Bethany in the majority of my party playthroughs...

[Tiax Rules All]

I just dont like blood magic.. I dont like the idea of people cutting themsleves for strength and power and YES I dont like the idea of cute little Merrill summoning demons by emo cutting herself.. bah



I hope this is not the case.. or else respec mod

[Atakuma]

filaminstrel wrote...
I didn't say the Dalish interact freely with demons like there's no danger, just that maybe they have a different perspective on what constitutes a demon vs a spirit and how they can interact with them safely, which may cross the boundary of what the Circle considers Blood Magic in some instances.

I see what you are saying.

[Katana_Master]

From what I understand, you've got two basic kinds of blood magic: You've got the kind that allows you to use life blood to fuel spells, and you've got the kind that allows you to control minds.

Assuming that no demons are involved, I don't see much of a problem with a mage using blood magic in combat. You've gotta you what you've gotta do, right? Is mind controlling one enemy to kill another, or taking blood from that same enemy (or yourself) to wipe them all out any more or less moral than doing it the old fashioned way?  Battle is messy.

The problem arises when blood magic is abused. The codex says that the Tevinter magisters used the lifeblood of slaves to fuel their spells, that was how they were able to create a portal to the fade and ultimately create the darkspawn. That example, using the blood of innocents, or controlling their minds is a far different scenario from using blood magic to defeat a group of jerks dead-set on killing you.

Assuming that Merrill is in fact a blood mage, this is likely her justification. But then, you've got the spirit/demon involved, which is a whole other can of worms...

Modifié par Katana_Master, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:44 .

[Blastback]

Maria Caliban wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

That sounds very appealing. I wonder if they'd do the same with Bethany and someone? Fenris and city elves, maybe?

If I were given just half a chance, I'd hook up everyone in the free marches to each other and be the universal Godmother. That would be how i'd become champion of Kirkwall. That and dancing. Not by exploding some Qunari guy. 

They did mention in that story diary that you get a sense of family. I think it is very big sisterly like to torment your sis or bro about dating. 

I have no siblings. I am interested in Mama Hawke's evaluation of the various love interests for PC and their siblings.

Oh my gosh, I hadn't thought about that.  That could be awesome!!

Can you imagine her reaction to finding out Hawke is with Isabela?

[Beerfish]

Blastback wrote...

Can you imagine her reaction to finding out Hawke is with Isabela?

Mama Hawke:  "You thought I would disapprove son?  Not at all!  I love her.  Why when I was her age I bedded as many men as I could.  And you should have seen my bountiful bossom!"

Garrett, Bethany and Carver:     

[Face of Evil]

the_one_54321 wrote...

This fire has a will of its own and can follow complex instructions. That means it can be used even more effectively for the purposes of good and helping others, right?

Sure, the fire has a will of its own. And it chooses to exercise that free will by taking extreme delight in spreading pain and suffering.

Demons are evil. Just because you don't like the Chantry doesn't make them wrong about everything.

(Sigh) In any case, the use of blood magic just means that Merrill may not be as cute and innocent as she appears.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:54 .

[the_one_54321]

Nobody said I didn't like the Chantry. I like the Chantry.

[Addai]

Face of Evil wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

This fire has a will of its own and can follow complex instructions. That means it can be used even more effectively for the purposes of good and helping others, right?

Sure, the fire has a will of its own. And it chooses to exercise that free will by taking extreme delight in spreading pain and suffering.

Demons are evil. Just because you don't like the Chantry doesn't make them wrong about everything.

(Sigh) In any case, the use of blood magic just means that Merrill may not be as cute and innocent as she appears.

Mary wrote her.  I think that's a given. 

People are using fire as an analogy?  Fire is used all the time for good purposes.  Think of a controlled burn.

Or, you're pushed to the wall and use what you have available to you.  That's why Grey Warden mages can be blood mages and it's allowed.  When you're facing a darkspawn horde, the Circle mages and their spitballs just aren't going to do.

[Thicos]

I prefer Merrill like a Keeper and not like a Blood Mage. It is more correct.

[squanderling]

Lenimph wrote...

*Imagines a chibi Merrill plushie*

Uhm, well... I have nothing interesting to add to the discussions right now, so instead I'll barge in with some chibi Merrill propaganda - she'll conquer all with her smiley face, she will.

[Tiax Rules All]

Face of Evil wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

This fire has a will of its own and can follow complex instructions. That means it can be used even more effectively for the purposes of good and helping others, right?

Sure, the fire has a will of its own. And it chooses to exercise that free will by taking extreme delight in spreading pain and suffering.

Demons are evil. Just because you don't like the Chantry doesn't make them wrong about everything.

(Sigh) In any case, the use of blood magic just means that Merrill may not be as cute and innocent as she appears.

*fingers in ears*
LA LA LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU, WHATS THAT YOU SAY MERRILL IS EVEN CUTER THEN SHE APPEARS AND DOESNT DO BLOOD MAGIC?

[The Elder King]

Thicos wrote...

I prefer Merrill like a Keeper and not like a Blood Mage. It is more correct.

She's both I think. A mix of Keeper's magic and Blood magic

[the_one_54321]

Dawwwww....

[Shepard Lives]

I've never had much against blood magic in itself. Of course, there's a lot of lore to be uncovered still, but so far my view on it is "As long as you only cut yourself up for fuel, and you don't end up possessed, you're good to go". I mean, I don't see how using blood magic increases a mage's base chances of being a murderous douchebag.



And anyway, at least she seems to be good at being a blood mage. Look what that idiot Avernus did by summoning one leetle rage demon. Instead, Merrill apparently used a demon to help turn the tide of the fight. Although the dialogue does hint that she didn't really know what she was doing, and was lucky not to be possessed.

[nightcobra]

Thicos wrote...

I prefer Merrill like a Keeper and not like a Blood Mage. It is more correct.

would be cool if she had a movement spell like vellana showed (wrapped in roots, disappears, appears elsewhere out of roots).

[DrSpoonbender]

I wonder if you let things get to out of hand if the demon may eventually possess Merrill (like with Connor).