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[Tiax Rules All]

imported_beer wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Thus my wild guess that the usual BioWare hero (played by all of us) will get a real surprise when he romances her into the sack (like all past BioWare heros have done) only to find out the next morning that they are offically married under ancient Dalish law.

I am imagining a confusing cutscene before that.

PC: T's cold in my tent. Would you like to ...heat it up.
Merrill: ...Like with a fireball?
PC: Did I ever tell you they call me MAGIC HAWKE. Want to find out why? [Raises eyebrow]
Merrill: Pfft. But you aren't even a mage?!
PC: [Desperate] *Grabs crotch and does eyebrow waggle.*
Merrill: OH WAIT! I KNOW THIS ONE!! MICHAEL JACKSON??
PC: [Commits suicide] *Critical Mission Failure*

This is what I am seeing
Thanks for the great laughs !!

[C-Gamer90]

Just found my mage for my party. Sorry Bethany but get back camp. lol

[Addai]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I'm surprised people are freaking out about it.  Like Morrigan says, it's just a name.

It's more than that. The abiltiy to control minds and suck other people dry for power...these are far more tempting than other powers. Just think of what you could do if you could mind control people? The temptation to use that power is far greater than any Storm of the Centruy can ever be.

A very, very dangerous slippery slope.
Heck, I'm a goody good-shoes and I woudln't trust myself with that kind of power!

It's just a way to power spells.  You don't have to be a murderer or power hungry.  What is mana but life force in a different form, that can be boosted artificially (and also with health effects) by lyrium?

[ViSeiRa]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Good points. I guess if one doesn´t care much about becoming as the enemy it´s something sensible to do. As long as BM doesn´t work as the DS of the Force, then it´s a matter of properly training the Keepers. But is the Keeper always a mage?

Yeah all dalish keepers are mages.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Incorect. Mana recovers naturally over time.

Never said it doesn't, but what would it be like when a dalish mage faces some templars and finds himself drained out of mana and has no lyrium???? as I say they could use Blood Magic as an alternative... it's how you use it that might be different.

[Tiax Rules All]

Well my Hawke will me yelling at her constanly to not use any blood magic. If that means rivalry path then so be it. I dont want her cutting herself. I will have no Emo companions!

[Talon_Wu]

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

On a lighter note:

imported_beer wrote...
I am imagining a confusing cutscene before that.

PC: T's cold in my tent. Would you like to ...heat it up.
Merrill: ...Like with a fireball?
PC: Did I ever tell you they call me MAGIC HAWKE. Want to find out why? [Raises eyebrow]
Merrill: Pfft. But you aren't even a mage?!
PC: [Desperate] *Grabs crotch and does eyebrow waggle.*
Merrill: OH WAIT! I KNOW THIS ONE!! MICHAEL JACKSON??
PC: [Commits suicide] *Critical Mission Failure*

Awkward.

[Addai]

Talon_Wu wrote...

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

That's true, but maybe she only uses it in cases where her life is in danger anyway.  Not "for fun and profit" but to survive.  Or in the case of our Wardens, to keep whole nations from being destroyed.

[Tiax Rules All]

Addai67 wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

That's true, but maybe she only uses it in cases where her life is in danger anyway.  Not "for fun and profit" but to survive.  Or in the case of our Wardens, to keep whole nations from being destroyed.

Blood magic is bad um-kay

[nightcobra]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Well my Hawke will me yelling at her constanly to not use any blood magic. If that means rivalry path then so be it. I dont want her cutting herself. I will have no Emo companions!

how about a compromise?

hawke slashes enemy, blood gushes out (if enemy can draw blood of course) and let merril use it.
we're already making our opponents bleed, why not putting it to good use?

 

[Eclipse_9990]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

That's true, but maybe she only uses it in cases where her life is in danger anyway.  Not "for fun and profit" but to survive.  Or in the case of our Wardens, to keep whole nations from being destroyed.

Blood magic is bad um-kay

Blood Magic is awesome, its one of the closest things Dragon Age has to true unadulterated POWER. Its the most useful thing in Dragon Age. Its can be used for taking information, intimidation, getting assistance from demons/spirits, and wholesale slaughter if necessary. As long as you can control it whats not to love?

The fact that Merrill uses it now, just made her 1000 times cooler, and more intersting..

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[Addai]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Well my Hawke will me yelling at her constanly to not use any blood magic. If that means rivalry path then so be it. I dont want her cutting herself. I will have no Emo companions!

how about a compromise?

hawke slashes enemy, blood gushes out (if enemy can draw blood of course) and let merril use it.
we're already making our opponents bleed, why not putting it to good use?

I always wondered why we couldn't do that anyway.  Entropy school can suck life force out of living or dead people, but Blood school can only use allies or the caster.  I wonder if it's gameplay or if there is a reason behind it.

[ViSeiRa]

I guess it'd be way overpowered if you could use enemy's blood to power your spells, that'd be like overkill.

[Eclipse_9990]

Addai67 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Well my Hawke will me yelling at her constanly to not use any blood magic. If that means rivalry path then so be it. I dont want her cutting herself. I will have no Emo companions!

how about a compromise?

hawke slashes enemy, blood gushes out (if enemy can draw blood of course) and let merril use it.
we're already making our opponents bleed, why not putting it to good use?

I always wondered why we couldn't do that anyway.  Entropy school can suck life force out of living or dead people, but Blood school can only use allies or the caster.  I wonder if it's gameplay or if there is a reason behind it.

Its probably gameplay. But cutting your enemy and using their blood to cast your spells sounds like a really cool idea.. 

[Shepard Lives]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Its probably gameplay. But cutting your enemy and using their blood to cast your spells sounds like a really cool idea.. 

I wonder if darkspawn blood counts as fuel for blood magic.

[Talon_Wu]

Addai67 wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

That's true, but maybe she only uses it in cases where her life is in danger anyway.  Not "for fun and profit" but to survive.  Or in the case of our Wardens, to keep whole nations from being destroyed.

One might argue that surviving is profiting. I don't agree with the use of blood magic, though I can see where the knowledge of it, the use as a last resort, can be argued. If it doesn't involve summoning demons.

As Lotion said earlier, though, it's a slippery slope. You start using summoning for survival, it gets easier. You get complacent and use it for more things, for intimidation, or for power. You get complacent and overstep your own power to control the demons, as Avernus and Uldred did. It can backfire horribly.

[Eclipse_9990]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Its probably gameplay. But cutting your enemy and using their blood to cast your spells sounds like a really cool idea.. 

I wonder if darkspawn blood counts as fuel for blood magic.

Well blood control, and blood wound works on them as well as any other so maybe..  I mean the Wardens blood is tainted and he can use blood magic just fine.. 

[Eclipse_9990]

Talon_Wu wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Talon_Wu wrote...

My concern regarding the blood magic is for Merrill herself. Looking back on the history of known demon-summoners, it just never ends well. Yes, Morrigan probably used some kind of blood magic for the ritual, but she never summoned a demon, to our knowledge. Jowan seemed to use his ability to superpower spells, rather than summoning, judging by his fear at the idea (at Redcliffe).
So maybe we have two different branches of blood magic: lyrium-alternate and summon-demons-for-fun-and-profit. I worry that Merrill (if indeed that's her speaking in that screencap) could be the latter. If she is, then it rarely ends well.

That's true, but maybe she only uses it in cases where her life is in danger anyway.  Not "for fun and profit" but to survive.  Or in the case of our Wardens, to keep whole nations from being destroyed.

One might argue that surviving is profiting. I don't agree with the use of blood magic, though I can see where the knowledge of it, the use as a last resort, can be argued. If it doesn't involve summoning demons.

As Lotion said earlier, though, it's a slippery slope. You start using summoning for survival, it gets easier. You get complacent and use it for more things, for intimidation, or for power. You get complacent and overstep your own power to control the demons, as Avernus and Uldred did. It can backfire horribly.

Uldred was a ignorant desperate fool. Avernus actually learned from his mistakes and became stronger for it. 
I don't think it will backfire if you have enough control over it. I mean the Tevinter magisters did use blood magic all the time.. 

[Addai]

Talon_Wu wrote...
One might argue that surviving is profiting.

If you say so.

As Lotion said earlier, though, it's a slippery slope. You start using summoning for survival, it gets easier. You get complacent and use it for more things, for intimidation, or for power. You get complacent and overstep your own power to control the demons, as Avernus and Uldred did. It can backfire horribly.

Lots of things are on a slippery slope.  The games generally deal with desperate situations and low odds- which pretty much sums up the life of a Dalish clan anyway- so we're operating in a world of grey.  I agree that blood magic is more like a nuclear weapon than a pea shooter.  I just don't think Chantry superstition has to be the default outlook on magic.

[Saibh]

Maybe the Dalish know super special secret ways to summon demons without blood magic?

[Atakuma]

Maybe Summoning demons isn't literally blood magic, it's just lumped in with it because they are both forbidden.

Modifié par Atakuma, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:05 .

[Northern Sun]

If Merill is a blood mage, I'd be interested to see any conversations between her and Bethany over the use of it.

[KyleOrdrum]

Hmm...she kinda looks like my ex...

[Drizzt ORierdan]

I dont know... but folklore tells virgins are good for hunting dragons...



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LOL

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[Face of Evil]

Shepard Lives wrote...

I wonder if darkspawn blood counts as fuel for blood magic.

AWAKENING SPOILER!

After the Warden was trapped in the Fade by the darkspawn disciple known as The First, the Baroness used his life force to send the Warden and Justice to the physical world.

However, he was a Disciple. That set him apart from other darkspawn.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:22 .

[Eclipse_9990]

Atakuma wrote...


Maybe Summoning demons isn't literally blood magic, it's just lumped in with it because they are both forbidden.

Well as far as we know, the only way to summon demons is with blood magic..