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[Blacklash93]

I'm asking for a reason, not an excuse.

I understand what the art style change means for the series, but why carry over distinguishing features of a character and ignore others? All that does is take away from continuity with no benefits. It doesn't even really make her look better, unlike Isabela.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[Addai]

Blacklash93 wrote...
Are the blood markings on an elf permanent, or can they be changed?

Since getting them requires enduring some physical pain, I'm guessing they're not ink-transfer.  But it's the devs' world and they waved the magic wand and made it so.

I always wondered why the vallaslin was all over the face since TST said the tattoos were on the forehead.  I'm too anal, why ask why. 

Modifié par Addai67, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:50 .

[lightwarrior179]

Maria Caliban wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Quick question: Has it been confirmed that Merril uses blood magic? Or is everyone making this assumption based on the fact that Hawke was talking about blood magic in a forest setting?

It has not been confirmed that:

Merrill is a companion
Merrill is a love interest
Merrill uses a form of blood magic

The last is based on a preview from a gaming magazine.

I think you're quite right to say that but considering that Jennifer Hepler was talking about romances and they showed up the short Merrill section in the video with Jennifer describing as the "girl next door" followed by Isabela who's already confirmed as a LI, I think it would be quite legitimate to believe Merrill will be a LI.

[Face of Evil]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm asking for a reason, not an excuse.

Because it makes her look better.

Yeah, I know, you don't agree. But before you start arguing, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, The Beholder. If you look closely into his Eye, you'll learn more about how the perception of beauty differs from person to person.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:56 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Blackout62 wrote...

Well if she is a blood mage let's just all remember what the narrator from Fight Club taught us: You can lose a pint of blood without getting sick.

Im pretty sure he said swallow

[Alodar]

Blacklash93 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

it does have some differences than her Origins' blood writing but if you don't directly compare you might not notice the difference.

Indeed, overall it's fairly similar, but it definately changed.

Are the blood markings on an elf permanent, or can they be changed?

It depends on whether or not Merrill pre-oders so she can have access to the Black Emporium and the Mirror of Transformation.

Alodar

[BTCentral]

Alodar wrote...

It depends on whether or not Merrill pre-oders so she can have access to the Black Emporium and the Mirror of Transformation.

Alodar

Ah ha, so it's an ancient Elven relic

Maria Caliban wrote...

It has not been confirmed that:

Merrill is a companion
Merrill is a love interest
Merrill uses a form of blood magic

The last is based on a preview from a gaming magazine.

Can you imagine the amount of fan rage there would be now if BioWare announced Merrill wasn't actually a companion? I think it'd be pretty scary.

Modifié par BTCentral, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm asking for a reason, not an excuse.

I understand what the art style change means for the series, but why carry over distinguishing features of a character and ignore others? All that does is take away from continuity with no benefits. It doesn't even really make her look better, unlike Isabela.

Because they took the time to design her with intent and purpose instead of leaving her as NPC #732. For her role in Origins she did not need as much thought put into her appearance as a fully developed character, nor did they know that she would be returning. Also the tattoos in the first game seem to have been derived from the sort of pointy celtic-knot-esque graphics of Origins, which as far as I can tell have been scrapped.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:01 .

[Blacklash93]

I'm simply wondering why they would go to the trouble of designing new face markings when they already had a design for them in Origins. I also don't see why they would decide to change her eye color. Changing those features just seems so trivial and unnecessary.

As I said, all it does is hurt continuity with little gain anywhere else. It doesn't do anything to make her look anymore unique or distinguishable.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:05 .

[Eclipse_9990]

BTCentral wrote...

Alodar wrote...

It depends on whether or not Merrill pre-oders so she can have access to the Black Emporium and the Mirror of Transformation.

Alodar

Ah ha, so it's an ancient Elven relic

Maria Caliban wrote...

It has not been confirmed that:

Merrill is a companion
Merrill is a love interest
Merrill uses a form of blood magic

The last is based on a preview from a gaming magazine.

Can you imagine the amount of fan rage there would be now if BioWare announced Merrill wasn't actually a companion? I think it'd be pretty scary.

Don't ever say such things again...

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:10 .

[BTCentral]

Blacklash93 wrote...

As I said, all it does is hurt continuity with little gain anywhere else. It doesn't make her look anymore unique or distinguishable.

Because the old ones looked like a bunch of thick squiggly lines, and the new ones actually look like tattoos?
And in your opinion it may not, however in my opinion it does make her more distinguishable.

Modifié par BTCentral, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:08 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Im almost sure that her eye will in fact be much prettier and better looking with a different pic, that one screen shot is pretty washed out color wise

[Maria Caliban]

Someone had to redo the the face markings. It's not something you can copy and paste as the head morph/skin system in DA II is different from that of DA:O. They seemed to have taken the same basic pattern and made it smaller and more detailed. This makes sense as her face, an that off all elves, is smaller in DAII.

[Saibh]

BTCentral wrote...
Can you imagine the amount of fan rage there would be now if BioWare announced Merrill wasn't actually a companion? I think it'd be pretty scary.

I don't. No more than anything else. She's my favorite, but pretty much everything pertaining to this game has gotten a "we'll freak out if we don't get x!"

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm simply wondering why they would go to the trouble of designing new face markings when they already had a design for them in Origins. I also don't see why they would decide to change her eye color. Changing those features just seems so trivial and unnecessary.

As I said, all it does is hurt continuity with little gain anywhere else. It doesn't make her look anymore unique or distinguishable.

Maybe they didn't like it anymore. Or they came up with a kind of symbology for the Dalish and redesigned all their tattoos to have specific meaning. Or didn't think the old tattoo flattered her face. Or wanted something more detailed than thick lines. There are plenty of reasons.

I think a continuity shattering change would be one that happened to a much more significant character than someone who can optionally come along for one quest in one origin story. Not to mention that I doubt as many people outside this website have played the Dalish elf origin as, say, human noble, and would not know that Merrill was in Origins at all.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:28 .

[Saberchic]

I like the new look of the tattoo on Merrill's face. The devs have kept the shape pretty close to what it was, and I like that the lines actually seem to flow on her face instead of it being more angular. There's more detail in the lines too, especially around the eyes.

[Tiax Rules All]

@Pseudo,

I loved the City Elves, but I was one who never played the dalish origin till after she was announced )

[Maria Caliban]

Saibh wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Can you imagine the amount of fan rage there would be now if BioWare announced Merrill wasn't actually a companion? I think it'd be pretty scary.

I don't. No more than anything else. She's my favorite, but pretty much everything pertaining to this game has gotten a "we'll freak out if we don't get x!"

At this point, I think the response would be fairly mild.

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Someone had to redo the the face markings. It's not something you can copy and paste as the head morph/skin system in DA II is different from that of DA:O.

It's highly likely you actually can pretty much do that   While the meshes for new system are new, i wouldn't expect the UV maps used to apply the tattoos and such to change significantly -- they could easily enough maintain the original layout for these, keeping the old textures still functional.

[Saberchic]

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Someone had to redo the the face markings. It's not something you can copy and paste as the head morph/skin system in DA II is different from that of DA:O.

It's highly likely you actually can pretty much do that   While the meshes for new system are new, i wouldn't expect the UV maps used to apply the tattoos and such to change significantly -- they could easily enough maintain the original layout for these, keeping the old textures still functional.

I actually didn't think cutting and pasting would have been possible. I work with 3D graphics, and you can't just cut and paste a texture and have everything line up. There's a lot of work involved, and sometimes, it just doesn't work out. I'm by no means a pro, but I've tinkered around. I think Maria's explanation sounds quite plausible to me.

[DaggerFiend]

I don't see any reason for the markings to be exactly the same. They look similar enough. If she's going to get a design change, why not tweak the markings, too? I see little value in staying the same for its own sake.

[Mark Barazzuol - Designer]

BTCentral wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

it does have some differences than her Origins' blood writing but if you don't directly compare you might not notice the difference.

Indeed, overall it's fairly similar, but it definately changed.

I can tell you that there certainly was effort to make anyone seen in Origins look similar in DA2.  Sometimes it's not always possible to make them look exactly the same.  And sometimes, thats even a good thing.

[Addai]

The changes on her vallaslin are subtle. I care more about the world change in elf appearance, which effectively retcons our DAO PCs' appearance. Not that anyone cares, especially since so few apparently even played a Dalish elf.

[s0meguy6665]

Mark Barazzuol - Designer wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

it does have some differences than her Origins' blood writing but if you don't directly compare you might not notice the difference.

Indeed, overall it's fairly similar, but it definately changed.

I can tell you that there certainly was effort to make anyone seen in Origins look similar in DA2.  Sometimes it's not always possible to make them look exactly the same.  And sometimes, thats even a good thing.

She looks more childish, I think.

[DaggerFiend]

Addai67 wrote...

The changes on her vallaslin are subtle. I care more about the world change in elf appearance, which effectively retcons our DAO PCs' appearance. Not that anyone cares, especially since so few apparently even played a Dalish elf.

I can appreciate this complaint. Though my complaint would be "This distinction should have been there to begin with."