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[tmp7704]

yukidama wrote...

But they're so beautiful

They catch me like a deer into headlights each time i pass them; especially the one in the middle

[Saberchic]

tmp7704 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I actually didn't think cutting and pasting would have been possible. I work with 3D graphics, and you can't just cut and paste a texture and have everything line up. There's a lot of work involved, and sometimes, it just doesn't work out. I'm by no means a pro, but I've tinkered around. I think Maria's explanation sounds quite plausible to me.

It really all depends on how you lay out your UV maps, doesn't it? Human faces don't drastically change the shape from DAO to DA2, which makes preserving the original layouts easy. They could change the layouts, granted, but they could just as well keep them the same, since they weren't exactly bad.

Well, since they had to redo them, why not make a few changes? The change doesn't irk me since they kept pretty close to the original design. I was never a big fan of some of those tats they had. I think Merrill's look better now.

[Eclipse_9990]

Atakuma wrote...

They really shouldn't have makeup at all imo.

This.. I usually ignore it but its weird seeing female characters that are pretty much supposed to be warriors be decked out in enough make up to paint a mural. 

Companion: "Warden we need you to tank this Ogre!"
Warden: In a second.  Just let me finish applying my tenth layer of blush.. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:00 .

[thesuperdarkone]

yukidama wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

yukidama wrote...

She learned that pink eyeshadow + purple lipstick = bad idea. That's a good thing.

Stop oppressing her with your shem standards of attractiveness! It makes perfect sense for a woman who lives a nomadic existence and spends her time in the woods would randomly layer on horribly garish make-up.

You can see much worse cases in Denerim and other places, actually. Make the DAO Merrill highly sophisticated in comparison.

But they're so beautiful

 

At least they look better than this: 

or this: 

OR THIS:sick::sick::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPbGxyE9Up4

[Nadia]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

She looks more childish, I think.

Maybe, but also more pretty and more sweet and taking into consideration that elves were redesigned to look more distinctive - with bigger eyes, more delicate face-features and slimmer body (I think) her 'little childish' look may not be so disturbing (providing most of them would look similar). At least I guess so.

[Addai]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Yeah I can see I'm in the minority.  No Tolkien fans among you, for shame.

Looking at other video game elf monstrosities, it could have been worse.  It does make me wonder what the new mage hats look like and if I might be able to stick one on her.

Hmmm...may I know whats your option on GamesWarkshop Warhammer elves? They are classic yet alien looking.
 *snip*

Their design is my all time favorite so I was glad that  redone DA2 elves got slightly similar body shapes. 

It's nice, but it doesn't look similar to Merrill's profile as far as I can see??  That looks like a classic tall, slim Tolkien elf profile.

I didn't like everything about Origins elves, mind you.  tmp7704 up there became my favoritest person in the world when he made the proportions fixes that gave them toned arms, a little booty and smaller bust.  In case no one knows what I'm talking about, compare Dalish chick's arms with the proportions fix versus the same PC at 1:16 of this video without the fix (I had to take it off due to clipping- also, video is NSFW).  But now we hear that they're getting even scrawnier.    Edit:  link fixed

Modifié par Addai67, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:12 .

[Tiax Rules All]

Tamahome560 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Yeah Hot Rod Samurai Magazine is my baby

I hope that Merrill will be on the cover  ( Hot Rod Samurai FTW )

te heee, cover is already done she MIGHT be on there ... got a lot of work still left on the articles though.

[tmp7704]

Saberchic wrote...

Well, since they had to redo them, why not make a few changes?

Precisely so then they don't have to reinvent the wheel and redo all the already existing tattoos?   I mean, it's one thing to retouch some of existing designs or make new ones. But to make changes that'd render all existing assets unusable across the board when such changes aren't necessary? That'd strike me as quite pointless way to add yourself more workload, and that'd be especially bizzare for game with such short development cycle.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

Addai67 wrote...
getting even scrawnier.    Edit:  link fixed

They will not look so small  as Merrill now if DA2 elves are taller. I hope that D.G. were right and this shot is deceiving. To be slim and stretched is o.k. if you are tall enough in other cases you will look strange. 

[Tamahome560]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

te heee, cover is already done she MIGHT be on there ... got a lot of work still left on the articles though.

Can't wait for the next issue 

[Tiax Rules All]

tmp7704 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Well, since they had to redo them, why not make a few changes?

Precisely so then they don't have to reinvent the wheel and redo all the already existing tattoos?   I mean, it's one thing to retouch some of existing designs or make new ones. But to make changes that'd render all existing assets unusable across the board when such changes aren't necessary? That'd strike me as quite pointless way to add yourself more workload, and that'd be especially bizzare for game with such short development cycle.

dude its not the same engine, the tattoos are not the same as origins, they recreated it to look similar. Whats the big deal here. The is not much a diff at all and its hard to say the new one is not better...

[Saibh]

Mark Barazzuol - Designer wrote...

I can tell you that there certainly was effort to make anyone seen in Origins look similar in DA2.  Sometimes it's not always possible to make them look exactly the same.  And sometimes, thats even a good thing.

Hm...I see it. I mean, you guys changed the basic facial structure of the elves.  I think you did a pretty good job to keep her looking somewhat similar. In any case, does this mean her eyes are still blue? They look hazel to me, but the lighting affects all the colors.

Out of curiousity, how close would you say you got the human characters to look similar to their past counterparts, if you kept the same face?

[Addai]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
getting even scrawnier.    Edit:  link fixed

They will not look so small  as Merrill now if DA2 elves are taller. I hope that D.G. were right and this shot is deceiving. To be slim and stretched is o.k. if you are tall enough in other cases you will look strange. 

Er... he said they are smaller and slimmer.  Didn't he?  *goes to check*

Here's the quote.

That is correct -- the elves are now super-slender -- though I would suggest getting a better look at her body (and her height) before making extrapolations. Not that this will stop people anyhow, but I'm simply suggesting that you realize you're operating on limited info there. This was not, after all, the "come see how Merrill and elves look" video.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:25 .

[Drizzt ORierdan]

yukidama wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

yukidama wrote...

She learned that pink eyeshadow + purple lipstick = bad idea. That's a good thing.

Stop oppressing her with your shem standards of attractiveness! It makes perfect sense for a woman who lives a nomadic existence and spends her time in the woods would randomly layer on horribly garish make-up.

You can see much worse cases in Denerim and other places, actually. Make the DAO Merrill highly sophisticated in comparison.

*UGLY MAKEUP FEMALE HUMANS*
But they're so beautiful

They look perfect for some wenches Varric would hit on...

@thesuperdarkone  You have dramatically lowered the standards of beauty here... how could you...

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:32 .

[Eorion_Moonwing]

Addai67 wrote...

Er... he said they are smaller and slimmer.  Didn't he?  *goes to check*

Nop, he said nothing about them being smaller he says: " very slender build" and "super slender build".  Nothing about high. 

That is correct -- the elves are now super-slender -- though I would suggest getting a better look at her body (and her height) before making extrapolations. Not that this will stop people anyhow, but I'm simply suggesting that you realize you're operating on limited info there. This was not, after all, the "come see how Merrill and elves look" video.

Here is a quot. slender  is about their wight, not high. And I think that this phrase: (and her height) was answer to complain that she is too small, so I assumed that she is higher than we think. 

Modifié par Eorion_Moonwing, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:33 .

[raziel3080]

Drizzt ORierdan wrote...

yukidama wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

yukidama wrote...

She learned that pink eyeshadow + purple lipstick = bad idea. That's a good thing.

Stop oppressing her with your shem standards of attractiveness! It makes perfect sense for a woman who lives a nomadic existence and spends her time in the woods would randomly layer on horribly garish make-up.

You can see much worse cases in Denerim and other places, actually. Make the DAO Merrill highly sophisticated in comparison.

*UGLY MAKEUP FEMALE HUMANS*
But they're so beautiful

They look perfect for some wenches Varric would hit on... But dont belong in this thread... You have lowered the standards of beauty here... how could you...

^ This is my sentiments exactly about those three hideous pics of women in denerim!

[tmp7704]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

dude its not the same engine, the tattoos are not the same as origins, they recreated it to look similar. Whats the big deal here. The is not much a diff at all and its hard to say the new one is not better...

Leaving aside for the most part it is the same engine, we're just discussing if the tattoos had to be redone because the old ones couldn't be reused, or if they were redone because the devs just didn't like the old ones. No, it's not a big deal but then nothing discussed on this forums is.

As for whether the new ones are better... horses for courses and all that. Personally, i find them equally uneappealing -- didn't really like any of the old designs (save for maybe one that was only accessible through the Toolset) and this new one seems just as "meh".

[Sutamina]

I wonder if her hair style and makeup will change as the years pass by. Or will it make sense that the characters will have the exact same hair style and make up over the course of ten years.

[DaggerFiend]

Just saying, slender doesn't necessarily mean no muscle. Just means they won't be Qunari-buff.

[Addai]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...
Here is a quot. slender  is about their wight, not high. And I think that this phrase: (and her height) was answer to complain that she is too small, so I assumed that she is higher than we think. 

Well they also said she is "tiny," though that could just be an individual difference.  Even though in DAO she was same height as our PCs which technically means...

[/overthinking]

[Tiax Rules All]

tmp7704 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

dude its not the same engine, the tattoos are not the same as origins, they recreated it to look similar. Whats the big deal here. The is not much a diff at all and its hard to say the new one is not better...

Leaving aside for the most part it is the same engine, we're just discussing if the tattoos had to be redone because the old ones couldn't be reused, or if they were redone because the devs just didn't like the old ones. No, it's not a big deal but then nothing discussed on this forums is.

As for whether the new ones are better... horses for courses and all that. Personally, i find them equally uneappealing -- didn't really like any of the old designs (save for maybe one that was only accessible through the Toolset) and this new one seems just as "meh".

I think its both... they have to be redone, and in that process changes can be made. They changed it slightly to be more appealing in thier minds to the new Merrill while still keeping it similar to the original design

[looneymoe]

New Merrill Is so much better than old Merrill. So cute awwww.

[tmp7704]

DaggerFiend wrote...

Just saying, slender doesn't necessarily mean no muscle. Just means they won't be Qunari-buff.

Granted, but then Merrill seems to have pretty stick-like arms. Although part of that is being placed next to pair of human guys on steroids.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

Addai67 wrote...

Well they also said she is "tiny," though that could just be an individual difference.  Even though in DAO she was same height as our PCs which technically means...

[/overthinking]

Yep, we may think as much as we could...and he will read it and laugh (evilly I suppose). 

[Addai]

I wonder if Mer-Mer will mention Tamlen.