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[AlexXIV]

What it is this about 'difficult level of romances'?

It will never get any more difficult then look it up in wikipedia.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Roth wrote...

Oh, good grief. I refuse to play a game where every single character will try to seduce me. Imagine Dog humping your leg everytime you have him in the party. That would be weird.

Yeah, having every party member hit on my character would get real old real quick. Spend the game resources on content other than making the game an orgy please. Thanks. Some people need to get out and find them a boyfriend/girlfriend. Believe it or not there is life outside of your computer screen. 

[AlexXIV]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roth wrote...

Oh, good grief. I refuse to play a game where every single character will try to seduce me. Imagine Dog humping your leg everytime you have him in the party. That would be weird.

Yeah, having every party member hit on my character would get real old real quick. Spend the game resources on content other than making the game an orgy please. Thanks. Some people need to get out and find them a boyfriend/girlfriend. Believe it or not there is life outside of your computer screen. 

This is going to offend people. Happened to me a few posts earlier.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

AlexXIV wrote...

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roth wrote...

Oh, good grief. I refuse to play a game where every single character will try to seduce me. Imagine Dog humping your leg everytime you have him in the party. That would be weird.

Yeah, having every party member hit on my character would get real old real quick. Spend the game resources on content other than making the game an orgy please. Thanks. Some people need to get out and find them a boyfriend/girlfriend. Believe it or not there is life outside of your computer screen. 

This is going to offend people. Happened to me a few posts earlier.

That is ok. I think there are already dating simulation games and I am sure there are sex games you can order from "adult" sites. Dragon age does not need to be turned into such a game.

Instead the resources need to be used for more quests, more talents, more spells, more specializations, ect.

[David Gaider]

Just a few comments on this topic:

* No matter what happens, it would never be a situation of "the entire party hitting on you". All romances we do, no matter how they're set up, are going to require at least some interest expressed on the part of the player. Having a romance-specific icon should indicate when that's possible. While I agree that the idea of a character hitting on you first is realistic, it's not ideal for a game... and breaking it down to some kind of up-front menu choice that says "do you want a romance?" or "what sexuality would you prefer?" is getting just too blatantly meta for something that's a secondary element to begin with.

* There's absolutely nothing wrong with making all romances accessible to any gender. It just requires a different approach, from a writing standpoint-- you could have a situation where the sexuality of the character is subjective (meaning if you're romancing them and they're the same gender, then they're either gay or at least gay-curious, but otherwise they're straight) or they simply don't discuss it or discuss their past relationships-- meaning it's a romance with the player and sexual identity isn't part of the equation. It could also be that all the romances are bisexual to everyone... but that'd be my least favorite option.

Would we do this? I'm not really going to say one way or the other-- but if we did I think it's safe to assume we wouldn't set out to implement it in the worst way possible.

[Blacklash93]

All of those options sound very unrealistic.

With the current system, obviously some people are going to go "Why didn't we get [Insert gender-exclusive character]?!" or "Why did we get the elf?!", but this is just the best way for the game to seem believable.

Deal with it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:30 .

[Allison W]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Roth wrote...

Oh, good grief. I refuse to play a game where every single character will try to seduce me. Imagine Dog humping your leg everytime you have him in the party. That would be weird.

Yeah, having every party member hit on my character would get real old real quick. Spend the game resources on content other than making the game an orgy please. Thanks. Some people need to get out and find them a boyfriend/girlfriend. Believe it or not there is life outside of your computer screen. 

There are real-life boyfriends and girlfriends (I've had three, personally), and then there are larger-than-life romances that are virtually nonexistant outside of fiction. Why do you think romance novels sell so well and so many works even outside the romance genre have romance in them?

[Ziggeh]

Blacklash93 wrote...

All of those options sound very unrealistic.

And this is a problem because?

We already have a thread on that subject mind.

[In Exile]

prazision wrote...

People keep saying that sexuality "defines your personality" but I just don't get that. I have friends of every sexuality but their sexual preference has no bearing on their personality or how they act, unless we're specifically talking about sex or love. If sexual preference had so much bearing on personality, that would mean that people who claim to have "gaydar" are right and you can "just tell" when people are gay, which is ignorant, insulting and just plain wrong.

Sexuality (or at least perceived sexuality) has a tremendous effect on how others experience your personality.

To use myself as an example, I at least consider myself (if we do not outright want to say am) a straight male. I have no desire for, interest in, or current fantasies about the same gender. Now, could I meet some amazing man that will sweet me off my feet and make me realize I was wrong to even think of myself as straight? Sure, anything is possible. But that would be a life-changing event for me.

That's what people mean about sexuality being central to a character. You either have to have a perfectly bisexual society to make this work (which means you've just pushed the writing burden up on level to make the romances work) or you're going to have to write the sexuality of your characters as in some way responsive to the culture of the story that they are taking part in.

peaking for myself, I'd say most of my casual acquaintances (ie not "close friends" but people I see out and talk to) have no idea what my sexual preference is, because why would that be something that influences, say, my taste in music, books, films, my political views, my spiritual beliefs, or anything else that people talk about? Why would sexual preference influence one's sense of humor or style of speaking?

A person's sexual preference influences their sexual preference. It sounds like a stupid statement, but think about it. A gay person in our society is not equivalent to a straight person and not equivalent to a bisexual person. "Coming out" is still a big deal.

You can't avoid writing about sexuality as a central issue to a character if you want them involved romantically, any more than you can avoid writing about the sense of humour of a character if you want them involved comedically.

[Ryzaki]

Eh the issue with sexuality is that's its not set in stone (not to me anyways) it's fluid. So saying sexuality is central kind of is "So? It's fluid."

It's quite possible for someone who identifies as straight to question themselves and possibly have feelings for someone of the same gender.

And honestly both Morrigan and Alistair could've convincingly been written as bisexual. Their personalities didn't completely proclude that.

Now Morri ight've been a bit more tricky than Alistair but the point stands.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:41 .

[SeanMurphy2]

I don't like the idea of the sexuality of each character being subjective.

You can make the argument that what happens in your game universe is none of my business.

But it would still affect my concept of the character and the way I think about them. I never romanced Zevran or discussed his sexuality but I still think of him as bisexual. It is part of his character concept.


If Alistair and Morrigan had subjective sexuality. I would have thought of them as bisexual. It would be part of their personality in my game. I would imagine Alistair having feelings of desire for other templars. Maybe Morrigan has slept with women because of her openness and curiosity to human experience.

I don't think you should be half-hearted about it. And design the game so that any character can be straight, bi or homosexual. If you want all romanceable characters to be open to both genders. Then just write them as bisexual because ultimately people will perceive them that way.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:33 .

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh the issue with sexuality is that's its not set in stone (not to me anyways) it's fluid. So saying sexuality is central kind of is "So? It's fluid."

It's quite possible for someone who identifies as straight to question themselves and possibly have feelings for someone of the same gender. 

OH, my sexuality is definately set in stone. I am straight and always will be. I don't have an issue with anyone being gay or their being gays/bisexuals in the game. On the other hand, I don't want it shoved down my throat in a game or in real life either. The percentage of gays/bis in real life is relatively small and there is no reason to stack a game with them.

I don't see a reason for making all NPCs bisexual when only a very small percentage of the fan base desires that content or will ever use same sex relationships in the game. It is better to focus content on quests and stuff that all fans can enjoy and keep alternate sexual orientation content to a minimum.

[draken-heart]

 i do not want every LI to be bisexual, 4 LI's per gender is fine with me.

3 of the opposite sex and one of the same sex.

isabela for females though, PLZ Bioware?

Modifié par draken-heart, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:35 .

[Wonderllama4]

Only the girls should be.... or at least, there should be more than one option for f/f romances. Most Bioware games only have one. Morrigan or Jack from Mass Effect should have been options too

Modifié par Wonderllama4, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[Naitaka]

AlexXIV wrote...

What it is this about 'difficult level of romances'?

It will never get any more difficult then look it up in wikipedia.

Because everyone enjoys looking up walkthrough on their first and every playthrough so they can happily ruin any kind of connection they might have felt for their character and companions altogether?

Modifié par Naitaka, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:48 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh I don't agree with the "everyone should be bisexual" but I also don't agree with oh sexuality is a huge part of a person thin either.

[Matchy Pointy]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh the issue with sexuality is that's its not set in stone (not to me anyways) it's fluid. So saying sexuality is central kind of is "So? It's fluid."

It's quite possible for someone who identifies as straight to question themselves and possibly have feelings for someone of the same gender. 

OH, my sexuality is definately set in stone. I am straight and always will be. I don't have an issue with anyone being gay or their being gays/bisexuals in the game. On the other hand, I don't want it shoved down my throat in a game or in real life either. The percentage of gays/bis in real life is relatively small and there is no reason to stack a game with them.

I don't see a reason for making all NPCs bisexual when only a very small percentage of the fan base desires that content or will ever use same sex relationships in the game. It is better to focus content on quests and stuff that all fans can enjoy and keep alternate sexual orientation content to a minimum.

Maybe it's just me, but an answer like this just make me want more same sex content in the game...

[DJBare]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Only the girls should be....

I think I already know the answer, but I'm going to ask anyway, why only the girls?

[Naitaka]

Ok, this is going to come off totoally weird from a guy but *unhum* I think the scene that IRS makes to Alistair's repertoire of romantic scenes is absolutely amazing. They had things from passionate kiss to hugging to simply sitting together under the star. I've love to see this kind of scene implemented for all the LI if possible.



...and no, I'm not gay.

[GameBoyish]

I'm Commander Shepard and I support this appeal.

[AlexXIV]

Naitaka wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

What it is this about 'difficult level of romances'?

It will never get any more difficult then look it up in wikipedia.

Because everyone enjoys looking up walkthrough on their first and every playthrough so they can happily ruin any kind of connection they might have felt for their character and companions altogether?

So if you want to romance an npc and somehow miss an important plot item and you can't, you're not going to check what went wrong? I just don't think romances should be difficult. Romance doesn't work in the pattern 'if you work hard for it you deserve it'. It happens or it doesn't. And it is both sided. So just one of the two working his or her ass off do bed the other just seems ... a bad idea.

[AlexXIV]

David Gaider wrote...

... but if we did I think it's safe to assume we wouldn't set out to implement it in the worst way possible.

That's what I'd assume of any dev team in any game. But it still happens. I'd rather have no romances than badly done.

[In Exile]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh the issue with sexuality is that's its not set in stone (not to me anyways) it's fluid. So saying sexuality is central kind of is "So? It's fluid."

It's quite possible for someone who identifies as straight to question themselves and possibly have feelings for someone of the same gender.

Sure. But that might be a big deal for them. I mean, you implicitly acknowledge it via the bold. Questioning yourself is character development - the writers have to accomodate that.

And honestly both Morrigan and Alistair could've convincingly been written as bisexual. Their personalities didn't completely proclude that.

Now Morri ight've been a bit more tricky than Alistair but the point stands.

Well, sure. You can write them that way, but you have to change what was written about them. If Alistair is by, for example, Duncan might not be a father-figure to him who he loves in a familial way, but rather someone who he loves in a romantic way.