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[Semyaza82]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't get it.

Why in a thread full of somewhat reasonable posters is everyone responding to the obviously bats**t insane one?

Because sadly this seems to be the standard fate for threads about s/s relationships

[Jimmy Fury]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't get it.

Why in a thread full of somewhat reasonable posters is everyone responding to the obviously bats**t insane one?

Boredom? I'm waiting for UPS to deliver little big planet 2. It's terribly difficult to be serious while waiting for sackboy goodness.
-edit- and because my mind is blown that this thread is even still open let alone active... meanwhile the proper m/m thread is dead and rotting...<_<

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:09 .

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't get it.

Why in a thread full of somewhat reasonable posters is everyone responding to the obviously bats**t insane one?

In my case I do feel sympathy for their cause. Even if I don't really think this is the right place and time.

[AlexXIV]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
On a more serious note (is that even possible anymore?)

No. We know Isa already, so one more bi and 2 str8 incomming. I could just have said they will tell us when they think it is time, but I was in a funny mood.

[ForceXev]

Elite Midget wrote...

Still doesn't change that you made 5 characters missable in Dragon Age Origins yet somehow that isn't seen as wasteful. Especially since some of those characters are romance options as well. It is wrong and yet you tell me that it's too costly?

The difference is that given the option, most people will choose not to miss any of those characters.  Players have to intentionally avoid the opportunity to recruit them, or boot them out of the party later.  A handful of people may take that route for some reason, but the overwhelming majority of players are going to do everything they can to recruit all of the characters and experience all of that content, even if it requires playing through the game more than once.  Therefore even though it is possible to miss characters, very few people will do so.

On the other hand, the majority of players will go out of their way to avoid S/S romance options, especially male/male.  That doesn't mean that male/male relationships are bad, it just means that the majority of gamers are heterosexual males who just don't want to see that content.  It is not a wise, economical use of Bioware's development time to make content that the majority of their customers are going to purposely avoid.  Therefore any S/S romance option they provide, especially male/male, is an act of generosity on the part of Bioware toward gay fans.  It is more than any major game developer has ever done for gay fans.  Those characters in Fallout NV that someone mentioned are a joke -- they are bland, one-dimensional characters with no love story, and heterosexual players can shoot them in the head if they want to.  Not a great example, IMO.

[Bryy_Miller]

I have a feeling that this is going to further devolve into another "Why Doesn't BioWare Have Infinite Resources" topic.



As I've said before, I'm a hetro guy. I even said in this very forum that I don't do homosexual romances in my RPGs, even though I do play as females that do enjoy the men. But then I met Zevran. So I'm not saying that I am *the* example of a hetro male deciding to go down the gay path, but I *am* an example.

[Wishpig]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


Which is not insignificant. I've never said that our gay fans are insignificant or even implied such-- it's simply small, and thus our willingness to provide content must be realistic in its application. You can ignore that if you wish, but we have no agenda here... unlike yourself.
.

Lies! Your agenda is to earn money! Why don't you admit it already?

heh.

Actually bioware's agenda is to merely survive the harsh conditions EA forces upon them... the bioware staff is composed of slaves gathered from the far corners of Canada... who create games under the threat of death at the hands of their brutal masters. Truthfully money isn't even the full agenda of EA. No, EA's secret agenda is to gather all of our personal information via forced registration through their games.

See, the heads of EA are actually part Atlantean, their bloodlines being the only surviving remnants of Atlantis. Mankind was not the first intellectual being to walk upon earth; harnessing its power and molding it to their whim. There were two races before ours, the Atlanteans and the Reptilians. Both races demolished one another until only a fraction of survivors remained. So few in number, crossbreeding with humanity was the only hope of survival. Recently the hybrid humans/reptilians have been growing exponentially in power, seizing control of governments, companies, and small restaurants, all while hunting down those who possess the Atlantean gene.

EA is the only true Atlantean power left... day by day they gather more information on you and me. With this information they will steal our money in the biggest act of identity theft in history, giving them the power to build an army and make a stand. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 are the final stepping stones to their desperate struggle.

Modifié par Wishpig, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:24 .

[thedistortedchild]

Wishpig wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


Which is not insignificant. I've never said that our gay fans are insignificant or even implied such-- it's simply small, and thus our willingness to provide content must be realistic in its application. You can ignore that if you wish, but we have no agenda here... unlike yourself.
.

Lies! Your agenda is to earn money! Why don't you admit it already?

heh.

Actually bioware's agenda is to merely survive the harsh conditions EA forces upon them... the bioware staff is composed of slaves gathered from the far corners of Canada... who create games under the threat of death at the hands of their brutal masters. Truthfully money isn't even the full agenda of EA. No, EA's secret agenda is to gather all of our personal information via forced registration through their games.

See, the heads of EA are actually part Atlantean, their bloodlines being the only surviving remnants of Atlantis. Mankind was not the first intellectual being to walk upon earth; harnessing its power and molding it to their whim. There were two races before ours, the Atlanteans and the Reptilians. Both races demolished one another until only a fraction of survivors remained. So few in number, crossbreeding with humanity was the only hope of survival. Recently the hybrid humans/reptilians have been growing exponentially in power, seizing control of governments, companies, and small restaurants, all while hunting down those who possess the Atlantean gene.

EA is the only true Atlantean power left... day by day they gather more information on you and me. With this information they will steal our money in the biggest act of identity theft in history, giving them the power to build an army and make a stand. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 are the final stepping stones to their desperate struggle.

You sir, are a god among men.

[silentassassin264]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't get it.

Why in a thread full of somewhat reasonable posters is everyone responding to the obviously bats**t insane one?

The same reason I made that troll thread about mages/abominations.  It is fun to do bad things.

[stephen1493]

Can't everyone just appreciate it that Bioware gives us the homosexual romance option in the first place? 9/10 rpg's would never even consider it, and 95% of games would never even consider HAVING a homosexual character in their game at all. To say that THEY (Bioware) are the one's who aren't being appreciative to their homosexual fan base is the biggest turnaround I've seen in a while. <_<

Modifié par stephen1493, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:50 .

[Razaroh]

adembroski11 wrote...

wow, that's right, insert your natural instictive reaction because if it makes you feel better.

Your post was facetious and dismissive; it warranted nothing less in return.

adembroski11 wrote...

I'm sure every game relationships had a few people asking why gay
relationships were never considered, but I promise you, they didn't have
a thread made daily to promote it the way this one does. This isn't
about political correctness (which is essencially a conscious decision
to become stupid), it's simply about people not having realistic
expectations, and putting it on the company who broke the ground in the
first place to hold themselves to some higher standard than everyone
else.

I've seen posts (in past
threads on the subject) actually accusing Bioware of homophobia in a
round about way because they didn't include enough homosexual
options. Who else has been as inclusive as Bioware? In all honesty, this
stuff fits better in Mass Effect, where it's not so anachornistic to
talk so openly about it.

People post about how Bioware is sexist due to the shear lack of the FemShep and LadyHawke there is compared to their male counterparts. Or how 'bout them PC gamers crying foul ever since learning that DA2 will be dumb down for the consoles peasants? According to some Bioware has been a greedy corporate capitalist loving pig out to screw their true fans ever since their third game.

Now I'm being facetious.

It is because Bioware broke ground in this area that people have expectations. People who enjoyed the content believe that Bioware will take a moment to listen to their thoughts and concerns on the matter, rather than dismissing them outright. People tend to get passionate about topics they find important, more so if they identify it as a part of them. Bioware is no more homophobic then they are racist, sexist, anti-PC master race. But by calling such concerns ridiculous you are trivializing them, which helps no one in the long run.

Persuant to the above, beware of majority privilege. It's very easy for people who don't have an issue that the minority feel (and this applies to race and gender-- in gaming, particularly-- as well as to sexual orientation) to believe that something is "not a problem". "I don't see why you're so uptight about it!" Realize when you make these sorts of comments that you have no idea what you're talking about, for all our sakes. You don't know what it feels like to be marginalized, and it behooves those in the majority to use at least a modicum of sensitivity when it comes to addressing such issues. - Ser Gaider.

While I agree that Mass Effect would have been a great place to have homosexuality out in the open its core demographic severely limited its ability to do so. But how is it anachronistic to be in the DA universe? There is no religious based thought against bedding your own sex, only pragmatism among the elves/dwarves and nobility.

Modifié par Razaroh, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[Captain Creeper]

Write fanfiction. Right there is your romances without costing Bioware money.

Modifié par Captain Creeper, 18 janvier 2011 - 10:46 .

[AlexXIV]

Captain Creeper wrote...

Why stop there? 4 bi, 4 str8, 4 gay. More anyone?

Does anyone even bother to read David Gaider's posts?

A dev is answering in this thread and has repeated himself a couple of times already and people don't even bother to read. Other threads would jump for joy if a dev bothered to post there.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 janvier 2011 - 10:53 .

[Captain Creeper]

Edited post because I actually decided to read David's.



And totally, make 10LIs of each preference! /facepalm.

[Poaches]

Captain Creeper wrote...

Two straight LIs, two bi LIs and two gay LIs. That would be fantastic.

Hopefully there would be a lot less complaining from quite a few people with that.

You'd think that, but then you'll get complaints about spending time on "those" options could be spent  better elsewhere;

Plus, I think some dignitary had insinuated that "some" LI's are more important than others in around the same vein of constraints.

[Ninja Mage]

So Gaider, will there be two bisexual male companions? TELL ME MORE



/cutesy

[GwahFace]

-headdesk- Honestly...some people. Characters are who they are, you wouldn't play if you were followed around by people who were the same. If you wanna romance everyone do two playthroughs one for each gender, simple as that. Thats what I do. Bioware doesn't have time or resources to spend on something so pointless, when you can experience all the relationships anyways.



-hangs around to watch-

[HolyAvenger]

I wonder if people would honestly sacrifice in-depth gameplay, better-written quests and so forth for more romances? I would not. They add something to the game, but aren't worth it at the cost of making the overall story and gameplay not as good.

[Annarl]

Wishpig wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


Which is not insignificant. I've never said that our gay fans are insignificant or even implied such-- it's simply small, and thus our willingness to provide content must be realistic in its application. You can ignore that if you wish, but we have no agenda here... unlike yourself.
.

Lies! Your agenda is to earn money! Why don't you admit it already?

heh.

Actually bioware's agenda is to merely survive the harsh conditions EA forces upon them... the bioware staff is composed of slaves gathered from the far corners of Canada... who create games under the threat of death at the hands of their brutal masters. Truthfully money isn't even the full agenda of EA. No, EA's secret agenda is to gather all of our personal information via forced registration through their games.

See, the heads of EA are actually part Atlantean, their bloodlines being the only surviving remnants of Atlantis. Mankind was not the first intellectual being to walk upon earth; harnessing its power and molding it to their whim. There were two races before ours, the Atlanteans and the Reptilians. Both races demolished one another until only a fraction of survivors remained. So few in number, crossbreeding with humanity was the only hope of survival. Recently the hybrid humans/reptilians have been growing exponentially in power, seizing control of governments, companies, and small restaurants, all while hunting down those who possess the Atlantean gene.

EA is the only true Atlantean power left... day by day they gather more information on you and me. With this information they will steal our money in the biggest act of identity theft in history, giving them the power to build an army and make a stand. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 are the final stepping stones to their desperate struggle.

Okay this made me laugh out loud.  Very good work sir :happy:

[Bryy_Miller]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I wonder if people would honestly sacrifice in-depth gameplay, better-written quests and so forth for more romances?

Some people want Romance DLC. Some plan on modding DA2 to play a Dwarf. Some already mod Origins so men can boink Alistair. This is already happening. 

[HolyAvenger]

Well fair enough, but I would hazard a guess that the uptake rate on those mods will be...low. Very low compared to the number of PC gamers who actually buy and play the game.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 19 janvier 2011 - 01:42 .

[Auroras]

Roth wrote...

Oh, good grief. I refuse to play a game where every single character will try to seduce me. Imagine Dog humping your leg everytime you have him in the party. That would be weird.

Alistair to Warden: I love you! Have a rose.

Leliana: YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART!!

Warden: Ehwot? 

Zevran: Let's have lots of sexytiems. OH BY THE WAY I LOVE YOU.

Warden: ?????

Wynne: I know I am three times your age and will probably die soon... but... MY HEART IS YOURS.

Shale: For a squishy creature, it does not look half bad. Golems have needs, too.

Sten: You are Asala - my soul. YOUR LOVE YOUR LOVE YOUR LOVE... IS MY DRUG.

Morrigan: I do not know you, and tis possible that I have probably contracted several STD's... but let's do it. Regardless of your gender.

Dog: -humps Warden's leg-

Sandal: ... Enchantment. 

Warden: /facepalm

EDIT: Yes, this is completely random and freakishly strange.

Modifié par Auroras, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[medium-rare]

I haven't taken the time to read all of the posts so far in this topic, but I'd just like to add my two cents.



For me it comes down to the fact that it just doesn't make sense if every LI is bisexual. Personally, I am a straight guy. I'm not a homophobe, but I know for sure I'm not bisexual. I'm sure there are a lot of other people out there who feel exactly the same way. To make all the LI's bisexual would just seem strange to me and would probably take away from the immersion of the game itself.



That's not to say that I think bisexual LI's shouldn't exist. I think both options in Origins were implemented perfectly. Personally, I thought the conversation my male human noble had with Zevran clearing up how we felt about each other was wonderfully executed and actually added to immersion. I also thoroughly enjoyed the Leliana romance.



I think if a game full of bisexual LI's was to be made in the Dragon Age IP, it would have to be done in a different country that would have to be similar with regards to culture to ancient Greece (and I don't think any of the current nations are). Otherwise, I think the game would risk losing a fair deal of immersion.

[Jimmy Fury]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I wonder if people would honestly sacrifice in-depth gameplay, better-written quests and so forth for more romances?

Some people want Romance DLC. Some plan on modding DA2 to play a Dwarf. Some already mod Origins so men can boink Alistair. This is already happening.

Bit of an unfair assessment. Holy's question was about whether people would sacrifice gameplay etc for romances. Mods sacrifice none of those things so their existence proves nothing and answers nothing.

HolyAvenger wrote...
Well fair enough, but I would hazard a guess that the uptake rate on those mods will be...low. Very low compared to the number of PC gamers who actually buy and play the game.

Depends on your definition of low. The Equal Love mod (the... ahem "boink alistair" mod... ) has 22,000 unique downloads on the Nexus.
Pretty good haul for a Dragon Age mod. "Adult" (aka nakey) mods bring in around 100,000 and are some of the most downloaded mods on there. The highest downloaded weapon/armor mods generally bring in 10-20 thousand downloads.  So 22,000 for something that mostly just changes flags to give Alistair, Morrigan, and some minor NPC's the romance dialogue (doesn't include nekkidness or anything that you can't find in Vanilla Origins romances) is pretty good actually.

Mind you that's compared against other Nexus mods. I don't know the number of total PC players but I would venture a guess that even the most downloaded mod is still low compared to the total number of PC players. So it depends on your perspective.

-edited to specify DA mods. Oblivion and Fallout mods have much higher download numbers than DA mods.-

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:43 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I wonder if people would honestly sacrifice in-depth gameplay, better-written quests and so forth for more romances?

Some people want Romance DLC. Some plan on modding DA2 to play a Dwarf. Some already mod Origins so men can boink Alistair. This is already happening.

Bit of an unfair assessment. Holy's question was about whether people would sacrifice gameplay etc for romances. Mods sacrifice none of those things so their existence proves nothing and answers nothing.

Mods break the game's plot and/or story, if not the game's mechanics as a whole. I play with mods, but it's not going to change the fact that they add something to the game which was never meant to be there.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:25 .