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[jlb524]

Wasn't Leliana the hardest to bed?



Also, I'm pretty sure Morrigan has bedded some Chasind men as her mother forced expected her to do.



Anyway, I just imagine Leliana is gay in my DA verse...

[Elite Midget]

To Bioware and 'some' Straight gamers by making them Bisexual their characters are ruined... Somehow.



Yet the most popular mods ever created for DA: O are those that involve making those same character bisexual. Clearly 'someome' cares enough that they would spend months perfecting a mod to do exactly what Bioware sees as a 'waste'. Than those same mods, built through love and detication, are widely haile as some of the best works ever created in the modding community.



We mustn't scare the homphobes off! They have money and are apart of the Straight Crowd even if a vast Majority of the Straight Crowd aren't homophobes!

[Cutlasskiwi]

Elite Midget wrote...

More Gay Romances? You do know that in recent years no Bioware game has had a 'true' Gay character. The Romances are either straight only or they want to bone anything that breathes. It isn't an agenda I'm merely calling it as it is.

Hell, in recent years Bioware hasen't even had a Gay Only Non-LI in your party or had a big role in their games. What's the excuse there now that the 'romance' part is no longer a factor?

For all we know there could have been. Not everyone talks about their sexuality as soon as you meet them. 

As for Bisexuals "giving it up easy", that's not true. Leliana is the last one to give it up when I play and Morrigan is the first. She will sleep with any male character with or without high approval. And I would hardly call Morrigan naive. She is anything but naive. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Elite Midget wrote...

She's a known actor yet she never states that she has ever been with another. The most extreme cases are that she heard her mother's tales and shows dissapointment that her mother wants her to start boning guys left and right.Clearly she values her body moreso them Flemeth does. Than there's the thing where she mentions that she has to do very little to have a man at her feet. Not one instance does she say that she isn't a Virgin...

Yet Zevran and Leliena aren't shy about it and Aliaster outright says that he has never been with another.

As for the Morrigan comment... I would love if she was made Lesbian Only. Hell, one of the top mods for DA: O gives a Female Warden the option of Romancing Morrigan.

As I said, that's how they're depicted. Aliaster and Morrigan are more important, favored, virgins, and thus seen as 'pure' and 'untained' while Zevran and Leliana are more like 'used' goods' compared to them. It doesn't help that both of the Bisexual LIs are Rogues and have done horrible things in the past and 'know' they're doing those things.

At least Morrigan was merely naive and Alistair was a devote 'good guy'.

The characters do that because they're more important to the plot and thus it demands they do thos things. Besides, Leliana does leave you after Origins to go to the Deep Roads and Zevran returns to Antiva. Did you 'not' play Awakening or talk to them after the Coronation?

You haven't proved Morrigan's a virgin.  Nice try, but no.   The lack of proof is not proof.

And yes, I have played Awakening with several different wardens.  Didn't you get their love letters?  They're still with you, but they can attend to business as they see fit.  Quoted from the DA Wiki, SPOILER ALERT.

• If the Warden had a romance with Leliana,
  he/she can eventually step down as Warden-Commander, since the Blight
  is truly over, and move on. Some claim he/she reunites with her. A year
  after the Blight's end, the pair are spotted together in Denerim. The
  commander never returns to Vigil's Keep.
• If the Warden had a romance with Zevran, some claim that he/she went to Antiva
  chasing him. One rumor suggested the pair engaged in a terrible
  showdown in the Antivan capital, and others say that they took over the
  Crows. Perhaps they adventure together still.

/Spoiler.

Also, it's a worthy mention that Leliana is the hardest to get into bed.  Morrigan's one of the easiest.  Yeah.  Very virginal and pure.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Elite Midget wrote...

To Bioware and 'some' Straight gamers by making them Bisexual their characters are ruined... Somehow.

Yet the most popular mods ever created for DA: O are those that involve making those same character bisexual. Clearly 'someome' cares enough that they would spend months perfecting a mod to do exactly what Bioware sees as a 'waste'. Than those same mods, built through love and detication, are widely haile as some of the best works ever created in the modding community.

We mustn't scare the homphobes off! They have money and are apart of the Straight Crowd even if a vast Majority of the Straight Crowd aren't homophobes!

A point though: People who uses mods are still just a small part of the ones that buys the game. Devs posted about that but I can's seem to find the link right now. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Anyone beginning to think this guy is a troll? LOL.

Nah, haters gonna hate, I guess.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[David Gaider]

Last warning. This is not a "complain about Bioware's handling of gay romances" thread. Rather than close down a thread that was, up until recently, rather polite in tone, I will simply start handing out bans.

[Wishpig]

Elite Midget wrote...

To Bioware and 'some' Straight gamers by making them Bisexual their characters are ruined... Somehow.

Yet the most popular mods ever created for DA: O are those that involve making those same character bisexual. Clearly 'someome' cares enough that they would spend months perfecting a mod to do exactly what Bioware sees as a 'waste'. Than those same mods, built through love and detication, are widely haile as some of the best works ever created in the modding community.

No they're not and no they aren't. I don't believe they're even in the top 100. Maybe I'm wrong on that, I just breezed over it.

www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/top/alltime.php

They may be popular and I give the hard working mods credit for their immense dedication and skill... but you have to stop grossly exaggerating and then claiming your preaching the truth.

EDIT: just to be clear, I'm not commenting on the mods themselves, they may be utterly fantastic, I'm merely commenting on another one of Elite's vast exaggerations! These mods may very well deserve to be the best for all I know, but their not the most popular or the most widley hailed.

Modifié par Wishpig, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:41 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Yipe!



*hide*

[Trintrin86]

Elite Midget wrote...

She's a known actor yet she never states that she has ever been with another. The most extreme cases are that she heard her mother's tales and shows dissapointment that her mother wants her to start boning guys left and right.Clearly she values her body moreso them Flemeth does. Than there's the thing where she mentions that she has to do very little to have a man at her feet. Not one instance does she say that she isn't a Virgin...

   

Actually I just (as in the past week) went through another playthrough as a male character who romances Zevern and keeps Morrigan in the "friend" category. When you max out her approval and she has the "are we friends?" chat with you, she says something alon the lines of (and I am paraphrasing): "I've been with many men but the idea of actually being friends with one has never crossed my mind."

Like I said, I can't remember the exact wording, but it it was pretty unambigous that she has more than a little experiance upon joining the Warden.

Modifié par Trintrin86, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[The Accused]

Think? I like the thought that someone isn't afraid to think outside the box and speak their mind. Gays/Lesbians have been hugely mistreated and it's refreshing to see instances of individuals unafraid to point that out even though others seem content with the current way of things. It's a pity that so many are attacking the view itself. Overzealous, maybe, but you cannot say that what has been said is wrong unless you can't see that there is a huge double standard still occurring to this day.

I wonder how many games it will take before we even get a Gay party member: LI or not.

Edit: Typical that unpopular views would warrant a ban. It takes great courage to stand up to others even when faced with retribution for merely expressing frustration to the continued unfair treatment of others. I salute all those that are banned because of their unpopular but warrented views when they merely want to see change for the betterment of all.

Modifié par The Accused, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:48 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Elite Midget wrote...

To Bioware and 'some' Straight gamers by making them Bisexual their characters are ruined... Somehow.

Yet the most popular mods ever created for DA: O are those that involve making those same character bisexual. Clearly 'someome' cares enough that they would spend months perfecting a mod to do exactly what Bioware sees as a 'waste'. Than those same mods, built through love and detication, are widely haile as some of the best works ever created in the modding community.

We mustn't scare the homphobes off! They have money and are apart of the Straight Crowd even if a vast Majority of the Straight Crowd aren't homophobes!

ffs....
1: The equal love mod and any like it are not the most popular mods ever created. You have just lost any and all credibility... not that there was much to lose. I don't feel like repeating myself so go back a few pages.

2. Please, PLEASE, stop being offended by everything on behalf of your gay friends. Just stop. If your gay friends are offended they can speak for themselves. If you gay friends want your help they will ask for it.
What your gay friends don't need is you preaching about homophobia where it doesn't exist. You only manage to make the stray homoophobic people on the forums get all indignant. And worse, you give them fodder.
Make no mistake everything you have said will be used against a gay gamer at some point. We will all be accused of thinking the way you do even when we don't.  It happens a lot when the real homophobes get involved. They ignore every single reasonable gay voice and focus entirely on the rantings of some fringe opinion that the rest of us don't even agree with.

-addendum-

The Accused wrote...
I wonder how many games it will take before we even get a Gay party member: LI or not.

erm... just games in general? Not specifically Bioware games?
Fallout New Vegas has one right now.
and he's voiced by Zachary Levi so...

-addendum Numero Dos.-
Gaider's picking up a Ban hammer Blade-Staff?  daaaaang yo.
We're sorry!

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[Matchy Pointy]

The Accused wrote...

Think? I like the thought that someone isn't afraid to think outside the box and speak their mind. Gays/Lesbians have been hugely mistreated and it's refreshing to see instances of individuals unafraid to point that out even though others seem content with the current way of things. It's a pity that so many are attacking the view itself. Overzealous, maybe, but you cannot say that what has been said is wrong unless you can't see that there is a huge double standard still occurring to this day.

I wonder how many games it will take before we even get a Gay party member: LI or not.

Edit: Typical that unpopular views would warrant a ban. It takes great courage to stand up to others even when faced with retribution for merely expressing frustration to the continued unfair treatment of others. I salute all those that are banned because of their unpopular but warrented views when they merely want to see change for the betterment of all.

That would actually have been Knights of the Old Republic (can't recall her name right now though, and I'm ashamed about it).

[The Accused]

That came out years ago. Though it's still a popular game and may be the reason that Mass Effect was conceived. Well, with Elite gone I suppose this thread will go back to slow and quiet once more. A pity, I was enjoying seeing the views of others and the reasons for why things are done the way they are and why things can't be changed or why they should be changed.



I can't help but feel that the Fox News thing still has an impact on how things are decided.

[Ailith Tycane]

Okay, Elite Midget is obviously unreasonable and should be ignored from now on.



Going back to my last post, I still say Bioware should eventually try love interest companions with subjective sexuality, I wanna see how it works.



It would be interesting to see how people respond/react if Bioware released the game without disclosing who is or isn't romanceable, and players found out for themselves without any pre conceived notions about the characters or their sexuality.

[Count Viceroy]

Matchy Pointy wrote...


That would actually have been Knights of the Old Republic (can't recall her name right now though, and I'm ashamed about it).

Juhani. And that 'fling' was obscure as hell.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[AlexXIV]

The Accused wrote...

Think? I like the thought that someone isn't afraid to think outside the box and speak their mind. Gays/Lesbians have been hugely mistreated and it's refreshing to see instances of individuals unafraid to point that out even though others seem content with the current way of things. It's a pity that so many are attacking the view itself. Overzealous, maybe, but you cannot say that what has been said is wrong unless you can't see that there is a huge double standard still occurring to this day.

I wonder how many games it will take before we even get a Gay party member: LI or not.

Edit: Typical that unpopular views would warrant a ban. It takes great courage to stand up to others even when faced with retribution for merely expressing frustration to the continued unfair treatment of others. I salute all those that are banned because of their unpopular but warrented views when they merely want to see change for the betterment of all.

You just prove that gay people can be as closed minded as everyone else. Which is a shame.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 janvier 2011 - 03:58 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Ailith430 wrote...

Okay, Elite Midget is obviously unreasonable and should be ignored from now on.

Going back to my last post, I still say Bioware should eventually try love interest companions with subjective sexuality, I wanna see how it works.

It would be interesting to see how people respond/react if Bioware released the game without disclosing who is or isn't romanceable, and players found out for themselves without any pre conceived notions about the characters or their sexuality.

I've suggested that before. People are very very set on having LI's with an established sexuality though. Even so far as suggesting that all possiblities would automatically mean the character is bisexual whether it's ever established or not... Which I just find utterly mind boggling.

[David Gaider]

The Accused wrote...
A pity, I was enjoying seeing the views of others and the reasons for why things are done the way they are and why things can't be changed or why they should be changed.

This has been done before, in other threads-- which tend to get locked just because bringing real-life politics in here is a recipe for an argument, especially when coupled with belligerent, confrontational language (on any side, to be honest). Keep the topic related to DA2 directly and keep the tone under control, especially when it comes to such a sensitive topic, and we'll be happy to let the discussion continue. Thanks.

[Ailith Tycane]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Okay, Elite Midget is obviously unreasonable and should be ignored from now on.

Going back to my last post, I still say Bioware should eventually try love interest companions with subjective sexuality, I wanna see how it works.

It would be interesting to see how people respond/react if Bioware released the game without disclosing who is or isn't romanceable, and players found out for themselves without any pre conceived notions about the characters or their sexuality.

I've suggested that before. People are very very set on having LI's with an established sexuality though. Even so far as suggesting that all possiblities would automatically mean the character is bisexual whether it's ever established or not... Which I just find utterly mind boggling.

But if it wasnt established and varried depending on the player and weather or not they show romantic interest, that wouldnt make everyone bi, it would mean their sexuality changes game per game, which I don;t think would have such an earth shattering effect most people seem to. Sexuality doesnt define a person, it;s just a part of who they are. you can make believeable characters either way.

[Matchy Pointy]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...


That would actually have been Knights of the Old Republic (can't recall her name right now though, and I'm ashamed about it).

Juhani. And that 'fling' was obscure as hell.

Ah, that it was, for some reason I only got the name Jaheira in my head, and well, I knew that wasn't right  I though it was a rather sweet fling myself (though I agree it was a bit obscure).

[jlb524]

I think some just don't want to share their treasured LI with the other gender. But, as mentioned by others, I don't think it should matter what others do in their games.

[Matchy Pointy]

Ailith430 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Okay, Elite Midget is obviously unreasonable and should be ignored from now on.

Going back to my last post, I still say Bioware should eventually try love interest companions with subjective sexuality, I wanna see how it works.

It would be interesting to see how people respond/react if Bioware released the game without disclosing who is or isn't romanceable, and players found out for themselves without any pre conceived notions about the characters or their sexuality.

I've suggested that before. People are very very set on having LI's with an established sexuality though. Even so far as suggesting that all possiblities would automatically mean the character is bisexual whether it's ever established or not... Which I just find utterly mind boggling.

But if it wasnt established and varried depending on the player and weather or not they show romantic interest, that wouldnt make everyone bi, it would mean their sexuality changes game per game, which I don;t think would have such an earth shattering effect most people seem to. Sexuality doesnt define a person, it;s just a part of who they are. you can make believeable characters either way.

I agree with that sexuality don't make a person who they are, I just prefer there to not be everyone avaiable for everyone (and don't neccecerily only mean gender but other things as well).

[AlexXIV]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...


That would actually have been Knights of the Old Republic (can't recall her name right now though, and I'm ashamed about it).

Juhani. And that 'fling' was obscure as hell.

Ah, that it was, for some reason I only got the name Jaheira in my head, and well, I knew that wasn't right  I though it was a rather sweet fling myself (though I agree it was a bit obscure).

And if I may add I was disappointed when I couldn't romance her with my male Revan. But did I rage is some internet forum about it? No I didn't. And I assume most people wouldn't.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:08 .

[The Accused]

Hasen''t the Digital World been hailed in the past as the path to progression when the Real World has slowed to a whimper? I also like the idea of LIs not having their sexuality revealed. At least not for all LIs. It would help sell that you, the character, are influencing in more intimate levels. Maybe even a young adult character who is confused and hasen't been with either man or woman and later is charmed by the player despite gender?



-AlexXIV



I'm not Gay... Or a Lesbian. I think since I'm a Guy and I'm pretty sure that I'm Straight. Maybe, not sure. Life is confusing sometimes but right now as far as I'm concerned I'm Straight. Apparently. At least that's what my parents and Church told me to be.