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[HolyAvenger]

I think its good and adds to immersion that there are characters you cannot romance based on your gender and orientation. I wouldn't want that to change.

[Mad-Max90]

prazision wrote...


So it's realistic that Leliana will fall in love with a tall dashing man who is always polite, a slender lithe Elf who insults the Chantry, a short ugly Dwarf who assassinates people for money, etc.? Not one person has attempted to explain that, and that is the core of my argument. The LIs clearly orient their preference to the PC already, why stop at gender?
It's "greedy" to want my sexual orientation be playable in a less limited sense in the game? It's MY game, why do you care if Morrigan is a lesbian or Alistair is gay in MY game? They don't have to be in yours, again, so long as one can choose a sexual orientation at character creation.
After all, if sexual orientation is so important - why doesn't the game ask you to choose one at the beginning?

 t

sorry but now I'm gonna be a jerk, how in the hell is this your game how much stock do you hold in bioware...EA, seriously man stop complaining about a feature they already implemented in the game so you didn't shag oghren boohoo. Like I said sit down shut up and eat your damn cake:devil:

[Liablecocksman]

That's a good thing, because all men in the universe are gay for Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt/Guy from Twilight, because he is just irresistable - just like all women are gay for Jessica Alba/Biel/Angelina Jolie/whatever as she is likewise.



NO THEY ARE NOT.



What you're asking for, would be one of the most contrived implementations in a game I've ever heard of.

[Mad-Max90]

Felfenix wrote...

. Furthermore, I'd find it interesting and think it would add a lot of dynamic potential to the game if NPCs/LIs not only reacted to things like gender and race, but also to features/appearance. There are people IRL afterall, who are turned off at the thought of a lover with a beard,

HEY some of us guys have beards, when has it become wrong for a man to be the most interesting man

[prazision]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I know hundreds of people. Only one of them is bisexual.



To your proposal: A big NO. Bioware is not here to make your sexual fetishes come true in a video game form. If you want to hang out with a plethora of ******/bisexual people you'd be better off in a gay bar.

I've known hundreds of people. At least 3/4 of them have been, to some extent, bisexual. But neither of our stories is relevant, because the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
As to your second point, it is either completely missing what I'm saying or insulting. Probably both.
It's not about "wanting to hang out with gay people". I do go to gay bars. And straight bars. And bars which don't cater specifically to either crowd.
My point, and I'll type this real slowly, is that the LIs already orient themselves to the PC. At the moment, the ONLY criteria for their attraction is what's between your legs, and if you say nice things and give them presents. I'm saying, why stop there?
To be clear, I'd actually be okay with LIs who turn you down based on your behavior (ie being insulting about The Maker or murdering innocent people).
Actions reflect personality. Someone who acts in a rude, selfish, evil manner and then sweet-talks a girl/guy is called a "sociopath".

[FellowerOfOdin]

No. No. No. Imagine the biggest "NO!" ever made by a human being.



Bisexuality is incredibly rare so why should everyone be bisexual? Makes no sense at all. Furthermore, most people prefer straight romances. And as David already said, even we have no problem with gay romances as long as we don't run into them...so nobody has a problem.



You want a change that not only changes how things actually work (and pleases everyone), you also want a change that a lot of people do not want.

[HolyAvenger]

My point, and I'll type this real slowly, is that the LIs already orient themselves to the PC.

They really don't- if you roleplay a bi male PC, you have three romance options. Similarly if you play a bi female PC. For straight PCs, there are two LIs. For gay PCs there's one each. There are significant LI restrictions based on gender and orientation, and it would massively break immersion were that to change, even in playthrough to playthrough.

[Mad-Max90]

Look man I'm bi, but i do prefer most women some men, the fact of the matter is these are characters that have been written by a team of talented writers, if there character is written bi good, if not then I'm sorry. but look at the bright side they have the option for us, I just feel like your kind of obsessing over this too much, ITS A GAME, play it for the story or the or game play the LI's are nice but not the main reason you should be playing

Modifié par Mad-Max90, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:57 .

[prazision]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

prazision wrote...


So it's realistic that Leliana will fall in love with a tall dashing man who is always polite, a slender lithe Elf who insults the Chantry, a short ugly Dwarf who assassinates people for money, etc.? Not one person has attempted to explain that, and that is the core of my argument. The LIs clearly orient their preference to the PC already, why stop at gender?
It's "greedy" to want my sexual orientation be playable in a less limited sense in the game? It's MY game, why do you care if Morrigan is a lesbian or Alistair is gay in MY game? They don't have to be in yours, again, so long as one can choose a sexual orientation at character creation.
After all, if sexual orientation is so important - why doesn't the game ask you to choose one at the beginning?

 t

sorry but now I'm gonna be a jerk, how in the hell is this your game how much stock do you hold in bioware...EA, seriously man stop complaining about a feature they already implemented in the game so you didn't shag oghren boohoo. Like I said sit down shut up and eat your damn cake:devil:

In the sense of "in MY game I didn't recruit Dog" or "in MY game the Warden is a Dalish Elf". I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

[Liablecocksman]

prazision wrote...

In the sense of "in MY game I didn't recruit Dog" or "in MY game the Warden is a Dalish Elf". I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

What!?

Okay, you think Stens personality fits one who is ******- or bisexual?

Oghren strikes you as a bisexual?

While you, for instance, may want to fondle the bottom of other men, I feel no need or urge to do so. People are different like that, you know.

Are you really asking for everyone to be bisexual? I know you are, I'm just double checking - giving you a chance to back down. That would be like me asking everyone be straight because I would prefer it that way. I am not asking that, and I wouldn't prefer that, but it's similar to what you're doing.

Characters are different. Oghren is written as a belching, alcoholic dwarf. He isn't bisexual.
Zevran is written like a flamboyant sexmaniac, he is bisexual.

Actions reflect personality. Someone who acts in a rude, selfish, evil manner and then sweet-talks a girl/guy is called a "sociopath".

No... That's not correct at all.

Look up "sociopath".

Modifié par Liablecocksman, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .

[prazision]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

No. No. No. Imagine the biggest "NO!" ever made by a human being.



Bisexuality is incredibly rare so why should everyone be bisexual? Makes no sense at all. Furthermore, most people prefer straight romances. And as David already said, even we have no problem with gay romances as long as we don't run into them...so nobody has a problem.



You want a change that not only changes how things actually work (and pleases everyone), you also want a change that a lot of people do not want.

Bisexuality is "extremely rare"? LOL! Even the most conservative surveys indicate that at least 25% of people have had sexual experiences with both genders.

[Mad-Max90]

prazision wrote...


In the sense of "in MY game I didn't recruit Dog" or "in MY game the Warden is a Dalish Elf". I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

Its still not your game its your play through of  game but you have no rights over it, sorry you cant grasp the simple concept of ownership.

[Matchy Pointy]

prazision wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

No. No. No. Imagine the biggest "NO!" ever made by a human being.

Bisexuality is incredibly rare so why should everyone be bisexual? Makes no sense at all. Furthermore, most people prefer straight romances. And as David already said, even we have no problem with gay romances as long as we don't run into them...so nobody has a problem.

You want a change that not only changes how things actually work (and pleases everyone), you also want a change that a lot of people do not want.

Bisexuality is "extremely rare"? LOL! Even the most conservative surveys indicate that at least 25% of people have had sexual experiences with both genders.

Just saying, having had sexual experience with both genders does not neccecerily make you bisexual (unless you mean it in a pure techical sense).

[prazision]

Liable****sman wrote...

prazision wrote...

In the sense of "in MY game I didn't recruit Dog" or "in MY game the Warden is a Dalish Elf". I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

What!?

Okay, you think Stens personality fits one who is ******- or bisexual?

Oghren strikes you as a bisexual?

While you, for instance, may want to fondle the bottom of other men, I feel no need or urge to do so. People are different like that, you know.

Are you really asking for everyone to be bisexual? I know you are, I'm just double checking - giving you a chance to back down. That would be like me asking everyone be straight because I would prefer it that way. I am not asking that, and I wouldn't prefer that, but it's similar to what you're doing.

Characters are different. Oghren is written as a belching, alcoholic dwarf. He isn't bisexual.
Zevran is written like a flamboyant sexmaniac, he is bisexual.

Actions reflect personality. Someone who acts in a rude, selfish, evil manner and then sweet-talks a girl/guy is called a "sociopath".

No... That's not correct at all.

Look up "sociopath".

You clearly have not comprehended any of my posts. First, I am talking about LIs - Sten and Oghren aren't LIs!
Second, I have already stated that, yes, I would be okay with everyone in the game being straight. That's why "bisexual" is in "quotes" in the topic, and if you would actually read my posts I mean that the LIs should orient themselves to the PC - because they already do! If you choose to play a Straight character, only opposite-gendered LIs would be interested in you, and vice-versa.

[WidowMaker9394]

prazision wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I know hundreds of people. Only one of them is bisexual.

To your proposal: A big NO. Bioware is not here to make your sexual fetishes come true in a video game form. If you want to hang out with a plethora of ******/bisexual people you'd be better off in a gay bar.

I've known hundreds of people. At least 3/4 of them have been, to some extent, bisexual. But neither of our stories is relevant, because the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
As to your second point, it is either completely missing what I'm saying or insulting. Probably both.
It's not about "wanting to hang out with gay people". I do go to gay bars. And straight bars. And bars which don't cater specifically to either crowd.
My point, and I'll type this real slowly, is that the LIs already orient themselves to the PC. At the moment, the ONLY criteria for their attraction is what's between your legs, and if you say nice things and give them presents. I'm saying, why stop there?
To be clear, I'd actually be okay with LIs who turn you down based on your behavior (ie being insulting about The Maker or murdering innocent people).
Actions reflect personality. Someone who acts in a rude, selfish, evil manner and then sweet-talks a girl/guy is called a "sociopath".

They've already done away with all the things that could make a romance soulless in DAO and you want them to bring even more things to the table to make the romances seem artificial? It's the story behind them that matters. They don't have neither the time nor the resources to tailor every character to the needs/desires of an incredibly small portion of the fanbase. 

The devs has said it before and I'll quote them: Dragon Age is not a dating simulator. End of story.

[DiatribeEQ]

prazision wrote...

DiatribeEQ wrote...

Only certain characters should swing both ways and others just one way (either completely straight or completely gay). To try to get every love interest to be bi is simply being greedy and unrealistic.

So it's realistic that Leliana will fall in love with a tall dashing man who is always polite, a slender lithe Elf who insults the Chantry, a short ugly Dwarf who assassinates people for money, etc.? Not one person has attempted to explain that, and that is the core of my argument. The LIs clearly orient their preference to the PC already, why stop at gender?
It's "greedy" to want my sexual orientation be playable in a less limited sense in the game? It's MY game, why do you care if Morrigan is a lesbian or Alistair is gay in MY game? They don't have to be in yours, again, so long as one can choose a sexual orientation at character creation.
After all, if sexual orientation is so important - why doesn't the game ask you to choose one at the beginning?

As I said:

Some characters should swing both ways.  Others should be only 1 way:  Gay or Straight.  In that case, there's no chance to get certain love interest's affection.  So if you're Male Hawke and are wanting some Male on Male action, you might get "Bob the NPC" in the sack, while "Same the NPC" doesn't swing that way, while "Sally the NPC" doesn't give a hoot if you're male or female, she's game for whatever comes her direction.  That's fair & realistic.  If you're a gay man or woman IRL go to anyone on the street & romance them?  No?  You mean to tell me you can't?  The same goes with a video game:  Not everyone you meet is going to be attracted to you, simply because it's not who they are.  The sheer fact that Bioware gives the players the ability to have Gay/Bisexual relationships with as potentially many of LI's out there is simply an added bonus as they could keep it 100% heterosexual in nature (or outright strip all that out).

[prazision]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

prazision wrote...


In the sense of "in MY game I didn't recruit Dog" or "in MY game the Warden is a Dalish Elf". I'm sorry you can't grasp this simple concept.

Its still not your game its your play through of  game but you have no rights over it, sorry you cant grasp the simple concept of ownership.

Now you're just being pedantic. Obviously what I originally meant by "my game" was shorthand for "my playthrough".

[Wittand25]

prazision wrote...
You clearly have not comprehended any of my posts. First, I am talking about LIs - Sten and Oghren aren't LIs!
Second, I have already stated that, yes, I would be okay with everyone in the game being straight. That's why "bisexual" is in "quotes" in the topic, and if you would actually read my posts I mean that the LIs should orient themselves to the PC - because they already do! If you choose to play a Straight character, only opposite-gendered LIs would be interested in you, and vice-versa.

what is the point of that ?  And as long as you can turn down unwanted advances from NPCs in a polite manner (not like in JE that required you to be a total jerk to end romances) they should not be a problem. Actually a character can only be straight if either (s)he randomly declares her/his straightness, and how often does that happen, or by turning down the advances of a same sex NPC.

[commanderVal]

prazision wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

No. No. No. Imagine the biggest "NO!" ever made by a human being.

Bisexuality is incredibly rare so why should everyone be bisexual? Makes no sense at all. Furthermore, most people prefer straight romances. And as David already said, even we have no problem with gay romances as long as we don't run into them...so nobody has a problem.

You want a change that not only changes how things actually work (and pleases everyone), you also want a change that a lot of people do not want.

Bisexuality is "extremely rare"? LOL! Even the most conservative surveys indicate that at least 25% of people have had sexual experiences with both genders.

Dude, I think you're making more of this than it needs to be. So some characters aren't accessible to your PC's private sessions, so what? This is the game that you got, either play it or get a game that lets you bed every other companion, NPC and inanimate object they have. But for God's sake, don't keep on at it. It gets boring.
Bisexuality is not as rare as some may think, however- most people are forced to act straight out of peer pressure. I'm bi myself- that doesn't make me want to bed all of my companions.

[Liablecocksman]

prazision wrote...

You clearly have not comprehended any of my posts. First, I am talking about LIs - Sten and Oghren aren't LIs!
Second, I have already stated that, yes, I would be okay with everyone in the game being straight. That's why "bisexual" is in "quotes" in the topic, and if you would actually read my posts I mean that the LIs should orient themselves to the PC - because they already do! If you choose to play a Straight character, only opposite-gendered LIs would be interested in you, and vice-versa.

Why are you saying "First" if you're not going to later say "Second", "Secondly" or "2."? That is silly.

Do you like it? 
I'm trying to match the level of mindless statement that "You clearly have no comprehended any of my posts" is.
Have you looked up sociopath? No? Oh well, that shouldn't stop you from throwing around expressions of which
you have no comprehension yourself in the future, anyway, right? :--)

While I can see your "LIs orienting themselves to the PC"(You want to select what sexuality your character has, in the character-creation screen? Interesting idea) being a form of compromise... You cannot force a glove onto your
hand, and make it fit, if it doesn't. If you do, you will just ruin the glove, and ultimately be wearing an uncomfortable piece of clothing.

Either a character is written as a hetero-, ******- or bisexual.
When writing a character, you create their backstory, or at the least outline their upbringing and make sure everything makes sense. You cannot suddenly have Alistair be gay, when the character you've created up until that point, was created as being heterosexual.

I would like both Leliana and Morrigan to be bisexual, so that I could have a threesome with them, on my character, or if I ever made a female character, could romance someone who wasn't Alistair or Zevran(Both of whom I dislike), but I respect that Leliana and Morrigan are simply not bisexual.

While I can understand your desire to be able to romance all the character that you want, regardless of your gender, it just doesn't make any sense.

Modifié par Liablecocksman, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:18 .

[Wittand25]

prazision wrote...
So it's realistic that Leliana will fall in love with a tall dashing man who is always polite, a slender lithe Elf who insults the Chantry, a short ugly Dwarf who assassinates people for money, etc.? Not one person has attempted to explain that, and that is the core of my argument. The LIs clearly orient their preference to the PC already, why stop at gender?
It's "greedy" to want my sexual orientation be playable in a less limited sense in the game? It's MY game, why do you care if Morrigan is a lesbian or Alistair is gay in MY game? They don't have to be in yours, again, so long as one can choose a sexual orientation at character creation.
After all, if sexual orientation is so important - why doesn't the game ask you to choose one at the beginning?

Lelianna does end the relationship if you go to far. As does Alistair and in her own way Morrigan. In all three cases this happens if the Warden violates the core believe of this three NPCs and no amount of gifts can mend your relationship with them.
The characters are not sophisticated enough ( and wont be in the near future) to take notice of every choiche the player makes and the mechanic that tracks approval is therefore easily exploited. Gift spamming to raise approval is an exploit and not a game feature.

[commanderVal]

I wonder how long this will go before we see that magnificent word: LOCKDOWN.. lol

Modifié par commanderVal, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[Ryzaki]

Siradix wrote...

lol I could just imagine what the forums would be like if that was possible in Origins.

"Help! Sten keeps turning me down!"
"Oghren won't hook up with me."
"Why is Shale so cold towards me?"
"Wynne still won't give me a chance."

This would be worth it for the sheer hilarious topics alone.

XD

Though frankly I feel the same way as making everyone bi as I do everyone straight or gay. It's boring and the more people/characters the more unlikely it becomes that they're all one orientation (yes even straight). Variety is the spice of life. Give us all kinds of orientations not just one.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Liable****sman wrote...

prazision wrote...

You clearly have not comprehended any of my posts. First, I am talking about LIs - Sten and Oghren aren't LIs!
Second, I have already stated that, yes, I would be okay with everyone in the game being straight. That's why "bisexual" is in "quotes" in the topic, and if you would actually read my posts I mean that the LIs should orient themselves to the PC - because they already do! If you choose to play a Straight character, only opposite-gendered LIs would be interested in you, and vice-versa.

Why are you saying "First" if you're not going to later say "Second", "Secondly" or "2."? That is silly.

Do you like it? 
I'm trying to match the level of mindless statement that "You clearly have no comprehended any of my posts" is.
Have you looked up sociopath? No? Oh well, that shouldn't stop you from throwing around expressions of which
you have no comprehension yourself in the future, anyway, right? :--)

While I can see your "LIs orienting themselves to the PC"(You want to select what sexuality your character has, in the character-creation screen? Interesting idea) being a form of compromise... You cannot force a glove onto your
hand, and make it fit, if it doesn't. If you do, you will just ruin the glove, and ultimately be wearing an uncomfortable piece of clothing.

Either a character is written as a hetero-, ******- or bisexual.
When writing a character, you create their backstory, or at the least outline their upbringing and make sure everything makes sense. You cannot suddenly have Alistair be gay, when the character you've created up until that point, was created as being heterosexual.

I would like both Leliana and Morrigan to be bisexual, so that I could have a threesome with them, on my character, or if I ever made a female character, could romance someone who wasn't Alistair or Zevran(Both of whom I dislike), but I respect that Leliana and Morrigan are simply not bisexual.

While I can understand your desire to be able to romance all the character that you want, regardless of your gender, it just doesn't make any sense.

Umm, Leliana is bisexual you know.

[prazision]

1. It's not about "bedding" the LIs. I would be fine if the "sex" scenes were removed entirely; they're tacky and not romantic.

2. It's not about "all the companions", just the LIs. And it's just about options. I'd find a same-sex Morrigan romance more appealing than a same-sex Alistair one, for example. If "romances" are to be in the game, what's wrong with options? More options are good, and recording a little extra dialogue is not a massive resource waste. There are dozens of minutes of dialogue (party banter, for one example) that most players never hear.

3. I'm starting to get some definite homophobic vibes from a couple of y'all, let's try and be civil. I think we're all adults, ne?