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[peril]

Making every romance available for every gender would require more work. Not necessarily a lot of work, but at least some lines/scenes would need twice the permutations and so on. The developers probably feel that they're already catering to a very niche audience by just having one possible same sex romance option available -- marketing says you're selling to young men who identify as straight, anyway, so anything more would just be a waste of resources.

[vaylander]

Out of assumption this is how I think it'll go.

Isabela/Fenris: either way

Merrill:Male only

Unknown,Anders look alike: Female only



Of course this is from vague sound bites from videos and pervious mags/articles, I wouldn't be disapointed if not true, just a tad surprised if this isn't the outcome.

[Matchy Pointy]

prazision wrote...

1. It's not about "bedding" the LIs. I would be fine if the "sex" scenes were removed entirely; they're tacky and not romantic.
2. It's not about "all the companions", just the LIs. And it's just about options. I'd find a same-sex Morrigan romance more appealing than a same-sex Alistair one, for example. If "romances" are to be in the game, what's wrong with options? More options are good, and recording a little extra dialogue is not a massive resource waste. There are dozens of minutes of dialogue (party banter, for one example) that most players never hear.
3. I'm starting to get some definite homophobic vibes from a couple of y'all, let's try and be civil. I think we're all adults, ne?

I'm in no way homophobic, I support all kinds of LI, but the characters in the game are who they are, and not everyone is bisexual (for a lack of better words, I'm personally not fond of these labels).

[Ryzaki]

vaylander wrote...

Out of assumption this is how I think it'll go.
Isabela/Fenris: either way
Merrill:Male only
Unknown,Anders look alike: Female only

Of course this is from vague sound bites from videos and pervious mags/articles, I wouldn't be disapointed if not true, just a tad surprised if this isn't the outcome.

This is what I'm hoping for as well.

 

[prazision]

Liable****sman wrote...

prazision wrote...

You clearly have not comprehended any of my posts. First, I am talking about LIs - Sten and Oghren aren't LIs!
Second, I have already stated that, yes, I would be okay with everyone in the game being straight. That's why "bisexual" is in "quotes" in the topic, and if you would actually read my posts I mean that the LIs should orient themselves to the PC - because they already do! If you choose to play a Straight character, only opposite-gendered LIs would be interested in you, and vice-versa.

Why are you saying "First" if you're not going to later say "Second", "Secondly" or "2."? That is silly.

Do you like it? 
I'm trying to match the level of mindless statement that "You clearly have no comprehended any of my posts" is.
Have you looked up sociopath? No? Oh well, that shouldn't stop you from throwing around expressions of which
you have no comprehension yourself in the future, anyway, right? :--)

While I can see your "LIs orienting themselves to the PC"(You want to select what sexuality your character has, in the character-creation screen? Interesting idea) being a form of compromise... You cannot force a glove onto your
hand, and make it fit, if it doesn't. If you do, you will just ruin the glove, and ultimately be wearing an uncomfortable piece of clothing.

Either a character is written as a hetero-, ******- or bisexual.
When writing a character, you create their backstory, or at the least outline their upbringing and make sure everything makes sense. You cannot suddenly have Alistair be gay, when the character you've created up until that point, was created as being heterosexual.

I would like both Leliana and Morrigan to be bisexual, so that I could have a threesome with them, on my character, or if I ever made a female character, could romance someone who wasn't Alistair or Zevran(Both of whom I dislike), but I respect that Leliana and Morrigan are simply not bisexual.

While I can understand your desire to be able to romance all the character that you want, regardless of your gender, it just doesn't make any sense.

I did say "second" after I said "first".

[Liablecocksman]

Matchy Pointy wrote...
Umm, Leliana is bisexual you know.

I apologise.
I didn't realise this, as I've not played a female character on Origins.

prazision wrote...

1. It's not about "bedding" the LIs. I would be fine if the "sex" scenes were removed entirely; they're tacky and not romantic.

I would be fine with that too - but what does that have to do with the topic at hand? Any meaningful relationship (Except the extremely odd-out platonic one) will contain sexual relations, and thus such are required even if the scenes themselves do not need displaying on the screen.

2. It's not about "all the companions", just the LIs. And it's just about options. I'd find a same-sex Morrigan romance more appealing than a same-sex Alistair one, for example. If "romances" are to be in the game, what's wrong with options? More options are good, and recording a little extra dialogue is not a massive resource waste. There are dozens of minutes of dialogue (party banter, for one example) that most players never hear.

Okay, you want options over quality and believeablity of characters. That's my standpoint anyway.
Character are written with their sexuality in mind, and their sexuality is a set one that does not change. One does not go gay overnight, so if a character has been straight their entire life, they aren't going to go gay for Hawke just because he has a nice mullet and the NPC in question has a peculiar fondness for mullets.

3. I'm starting to get some definite homophobic vibes from a couple of y'all, let's try and be civil. I think we're all adults, ne?

I hope you're not referring to me.
If you are, I apologise - but I was slightly annoyed at your tone, and may have replied harshly.
You are, clearly, emotionally invested in the topic - but I would argue you also need to keep it civil, instead of playing the victim here. Accept that some people, myself included, do not agree with your idea and that is that.

I did say "second" after I said "first".

My clever statement is foiled by my inability to read!! Poor me!

Modifié par Liablecocksman, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[commanderVal]

Am I included in the whole "we're all adults" list? Cuz I'm 22 and nobody allows me to call myself that..
Aaaaaaaaaanyway, what's the point of all this anyway? You want a more meaningful romance in a virtual world, right? Very very impotant aspect of the game.. I understand. <--- This is not homophobia, it is needless sarcasm, my specialty.

[Selene Moonsong]

I do believe that David Gaider, or one of the other Developers, has already stated that it is not going to happen, and I most certainly do not picture them going back and going through the expense of completely re-writing additional romantic interest characters and having additional VO work done to accommodate such a request.

[Kail Ashton]

Um, no, no & no



Just by a story stand point these are all diffrent people from diffrent locals, backgrounds, areas of what is comfortible for them and what's socialy acceptible by their standards, you could not somehow magicaly pull the bi-sexual lottary and happen to get an entire group of people from the above who all just happen to be bisexual, maybe, maaaaaaybe if there was a party recruitment at a kirkwall gay bar you could possibly justify it, but to have a buncha complete strangers all happen to fall into the same preffrences? No.



Take who you get and be happy with what you got, don't throw comon sense out the window to be a spoiled brat who wants everything how he wants it and logic be damned!

[prazision]

It's not really about "more meaningful" romances, it's about "more options". My basic premise is that the LIs orient themselves to whatever the PC is already, it is just as believable for me, in a fantasy world, that if Morrigan can be attracted to an entirely different RACE (and I don't mean skin color!) why not a different gender? I don't recall seeing any Half-Elves, Dwarf-Elves, or Half-Dwarves in the game or the codex; that implies that the races are reproductively incompatible, and therefore that it's just as "unnatural" as some people claim homosexuality is.

And of course I don't expect everyone to share my view! I would have hoped at least someone could see the logic and merit in my premise, it's true, but it would be unrealistic to expect everyone to think the same.

I don't think I'm "playing the victim", but I do think some people have been "playing the attacker" by overzealous debating and unnecessary derogatory additions like "if you want to fondle other dude's bottoms..." or "if you want to hang out with a bunch of bi/homos..."

[prazision]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Um, no, no & no



Just by a story stand point these are all diffrent people from diffrent locals, backgrounds, areas of what is comfortible for them and what's socialy acceptible by their standards, you could not somehow magicaly pull the bi-sexual lottary and happen to get an entire group of people from the above who all just happen to be bisexual, maybe, maaaaaaybe if there was a party recruitment at a kirkwall gay bar you could possibly justify it, but to have a buncha complete strangers all happen to fall into the same preffrences? No.



Take who you get and be happy with what you got, don't throw comon sense out the window to be a spoiled brat who wants everything how he wants it and logic be damned!

How surprising, someone else who apparently read the thread title and nothing else! I have clearly stated over and over that I'm not saying that literally every LI or every party member should be bisexual; I have in fact said several times that what I'm proposing would allow your playthrough to contain nothing but straight LIs if that's what you wanted!

[Marionetten]

Sexuality is a rather major component of any character. While I understand the motivations at play here removing it entirely does not sit well with me. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is bisexual... or sexual at all, for that matter.

prazision wrote...

How surprising, someone else who apparently read the thread title and nothing else! I have clearly stated over and over that I'm not saying that literally every LI or every party member should be bisexual; I have in fact said several times that what I'm proposing would allow your playthrough to contain nothing but straight LIs if that's what you wanted!

What you're proposing is reinventing a character's sexuality in order suit every individual playthrough

In effect this is making everyone and everything bisexual.

Modifié par Marionetten, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:11 .

[Liablecocksman]

prazision wrote...
I don't think I'm "playing the victim", but I do think some people have been "playing the attacker" by overzealous debating and unnecessary derogatory additions like "if you want to fondle other dude's bottoms..." or "if you want to hang out with a bunch of bi/homos..."

What!?
I said "While you, for instance, may want to fondle the bottom of other men, I
feel no need or urge to do so. People are different like that, you know."
It is a valid, in no way homophobic, argument.
I was using it as an example to tell how people are simply different, and while some may be ******- or bisexual, some are not. I thought the phrasing to be a tad humourous, not in any way derogatory.

Now you are definately "playing the victim".
I will concede, however, that I know nothing of any descrimination you have faced in your life (which would be ample reason for you to easily feel "attacked"), as I am a white, heterosexual, male - but at least lighten up a bit

And while I agree that "If you want to hang out with homos, go to a gay bar" is a crude way of putting it, it still makes sense in the context. You cannot take a random mishmash of people, each with their own backstory and personality, and expect all of them to be attracted to their own gender.

[commanderVal]

Marionetten wrote...

Sexuality is a rather major component of any character. While I understand the motivations at play here removing it entirely does not sit well with me. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is bisexual... or sexual at all, for that matter.

really? Not.. at all?

[WidowMaker9394]

You're proposing that we should set our orientation at the start of our game during the character creator phase?



That's not good.

[Tribull]

LOL!!!! OMG this post is so hilarious XD Ive been LMFAO for so long my sides are hurting. I especially liked all the back-and-forth by "prazision" and "Liable****sman," so funny. And to this very minute people are still trying to convey or defend their beliefs from all the other jerks and their idiocy. Thx for the good times everyone else who contributed to my mocking laughter. I cant wait for the DA2 posts to come out.

[prazision]

Marionetten wrote...

Sexuality is a rather major component of any character. While I understand the motivations at play here removing it entirely does not sit well with me. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is bisexual... or sexual at all, for that matter.

prazision wrote...

How surprising, someone else who
apparently read the thread title and nothing else! I have clearly stated
over and over that I'm not saying that literally every LI or every
party member should be bisexual; I have in fact said several times that
what I'm proposing would allow your playthrough to contain nothing but
straight LIs if that's what you wanted!

What you're proposing is reinventing a character's sexuality in order suit every individual playthrough

In effect this is making everyone and everything bisexual.

First, people keep saying that sexual preference is a major component of personality, and I'm just not seeing that in the previous game or this one. Second, that's getting into slippery territory, the kind where people claim to have "gaydar" that allows them to deduce sexual preference from the way someone acts. That's absurd.
As to "effectively making everyone bisexual", how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

[prazision]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

You're proposing that we should set our orientation at the start of our game during the character creator phase?



That's not good.

Why not? Everyone keeps insisting it's a very important part of one's personality, why wouldn't it be something one could choose? If we can choose to be male or female, why not gay or straight as well?

[commanderVal]

prazision wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Sexuality is a rather major component of any character. While I understand the motivations at play here removing it entirely does not sit well with me. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is bisexual... or sexual at all, for that matter.

prazision wrote...

How surprising, someone else who
apparently read the thread title and nothing else! I have clearly stated
over and over that I'm not saying that literally every LI or every
party member should be bisexual; I have in fact said several times that
what I'm proposing would allow your playthrough to contain nothing but
straight LIs if that's what you wanted!

What you're proposing is reinventing a character's sexuality in order suit every individual playthrough

In effect this is making everyone and everything bisexual.

First, people keep saying that sexual preference is a major component of personality, and I'm just not seeing that in the previous game or this one. Second, that's getting into slippery territory, the kind where people claim to have "gaydar" that allows them to deduce sexual preference from the way someone acts. That's absurd.
As to "effectively making everyone bisexual", how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

The thing is, when you know a person over a long period of time and you begin to accept him/her you tend to overlook their obvious flaws and eventually, possibly [not necessarily] fall in love with them/become best friends with them.

[Matchy Pointy]

prazision wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Sexuality is a rather major component of any character. While I understand the motivations at play here removing it entirely does not sit well with me. Contrary to popular belief not everyone is bisexual... or sexual at all, for that matter.

prazision wrote...

How surprising, someone else who
apparently read the thread title and nothing else! I have clearly stated
over and over that I'm not saying that literally every LI or every
party member should be bisexual; I have in fact said several times that
what I'm proposing would allow your playthrough to contain nothing but
straight LIs if that's what you wanted!

What you're proposing is reinventing a character's sexuality in order suit every individual playthrough

In effect this is making everyone and everything bisexual.

First, people keep saying that sexual preference is a major component of personality, and I'm just not seeing that in the previous game or this one. Second, that's getting into slippery territory, the kind where people claim to have "gaydar" that allows them to deduce sexual preference from the way someone acts. That's absurd.
As to "effectively making everyone bisexual", how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

First, we don't know that is the case here, and second, it's not even th case in DA:O.

[Marionetten]

prazision wrote...

First, people keep saying that sexual preference is a major component of personality, and I'm just not seeing that in the previous game or this one. Second, that's getting into slippery territory, the kind where people claim to have "gaydar" that allows them to deduce sexual preference from the way someone acts. That's absurd.

Sexuality is a major component of who we are and how we define ourselves. There is nothing slippery or questionable about it. It's just how things are.

prazision wrote...

As to "effectively making everyone bisexual", how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

It isn't.

Modifié par Marionetten, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:30 .

[Tribull]

prazision wrote...

how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

Are you talking about Mike Hawke?

[commanderVal]

Tribull wrote...

prazision wrote...

how is that any less realistic from "making every woman attracted to Hawke, regardless of what he looks or acts like"?

Are you talking about Mike Hawke?

ROFLMAO!!!

[jsachun]

Zjarcal wrote...

prazision wrote...

Again, think about this logically: If Alistair falls in love with the Warden no matter what she looks or acts like (except for extreme actions like the Ashes choice) then why is it strange to apply that to gender as well?

I will say that hearing Alistair say "Maker's breath, you're beautiful!" when playing with a character that looks like this... is pretty jarring.

Definition of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

[WidowMaker9394]

prazision wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

You're proposing that we should set our orientation at the start of our game during the character creator phase?

That's not good.

Why not? Everyone keeps insisting it's a very important part of one's personality, why wouldn't it be something one could choose? If we can choose to be male or female, why not gay or straight as well?

I don't want to start over because I suddenly realized that the character I've pictured in my head really wasn't gay, bi, straight whatever.