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[prazision]

If we agree that it's unrealistic that every straight/bi female LI will be attracted to Hawke regardless of how ugly you make him or how reprehensibly you have him act, then what's the reasoning for not just having every LI available to both genders? Given that there looks to be a maximum of 3 or 4 LIs in the entire game, I would think it would be an idea people could get behind.

[Tribull]

jsachun wrote...

Definition of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

[Bushwah!], beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

[no swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 janvier 2011 - 05:27 .

[kingjezza]

I figure if I'm Hawke, leader, big boss etc then I should be allowed who I want and they'll be happy with that. Like Deathstalker.

[Nohvarr]

To have each LI be interested in your character no matter gender would require a significant alteration to their backstory to work. The devs would have to set up triggers that allow you to learn about their past relationships for each character potential orientation. Now instead of crafting a singular background for each character that feels more 'real' they have to craft multiple backgrounds, potentially sacrificing a more realistic characterization for that person in the process. Why bother creating different variation on the same character, why not just create a different character whose background and expierences fit their sexual orientation. The character will be better fleshed out in the long run, and it won't require the devs to spend resources on an area that is not the main focus of the game.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:44 .

[Snoteye]

Your argument for your suggestion is based on a decidability problem. It would technically be possible to do what you're suggesting, whereas it would not be possible to do the opposite -- that is, adjust AI to have "standards" (beyond basic flags such as race and class). The idea has some merit, but would involve much more than simply adjusting a few lines of dialogue and would never be worth it.

Modifié par Snoteye, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:43 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

jsachun wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

prazision wrote...

Again, think about this logically: If Alistair falls in love with the Warden no matter what she looks or acts like (except for extreme actions like the Ashes choice) then why is it strange to apply that to gender as well?

I will say that hearing Alistair say "Maker's breath, you're beautiful!" when playing with a character that looks like this... is pretty jarring.

Definition of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Did you let Zevran stare luredly at her too? I'm sure in Thedas they could have different standards of beauty. A few hundred years ago it was popular in Europe be pale and plump as symbols of being wealthy since those were signs that you neither had to go outside to work or care about going hungry.


Going back to the topic at hand...it would be a little rediculous to make every character bisexual. Some characters just aren't into both genders and shouldn't be. Having one character or two being bi isn't bad so at least people would have options depending on the player's character's preference. But...having everyone be bi would be just strange, like Thedas is some sort of super-tolerant-bizarro land with free love abounding, wardens and darkspawn holding hands as they skip together through parks, humans giving elves their own kingdom and all their land back, qunaris hosting job fairs in their towns and where dwarves go hangliding.

[prazision]

kingjezza wrote...

I figure if I'm Hawke, leader, big boss etc then I should be allowed who I want and they'll be happy with that. Like Deathstalker.

Exactly! If Hawke is so magnetic and appealing (they even confirmed romances will still happen even with NEGATIVE APPROVAL (ie "rivalry") this time!) then why can't s/he make people question their sexuality?

[Marionetten]

prazision wrote...

If we agree that it's unrealistic that every straight/bi female LI will be attracted to Hawke regardless of how ugly you make him or how reprehensibly you have him act, then what's the reasoning for not just having every LI available to both genders? Given that there looks to be a maximum of 3 or 4 LIs in the entire game, I would think it would be an idea people could get behind.

One mistake does not beget another.

Not that I think that every single woman will be fawning over Hawke regardless of how he acts. That is your superstition.

Modifié par Marionetten, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:47 .

[commanderVal]

prazision wrote...

If we agree that it's unrealistic that every straight/bi female LI will be attracted to Hawke regardless of how ugly you make him or how reprehensibly you have him act, then what's the reasoning for not just having every LI available to both genders? Given that there looks to be a maximum of 3 or 4 LIs in the entire game, I would think it would be an idea people could get behind.

The keyword here being "I would think". Dude, nobody else here is agreeing. Why bother? The saying "Be happy with what you have" is applicable here methinks..
Peace.

[WidowMaker9394]

Zjarcal wrote...

prazision wrote...

Again, think about this logically: If Alistair falls in love with the Warden no matter what she looks or acts like (except for extreme actions like the Ashes choice) then why is it strange to apply that to gender as well?

I will say that hearing Alistair say "Maker's breath, you're beautiful!" when playing with a character that looks like this... is pretty jarring.

http://social.biowar...27957/77022.jpg

Most unnerving moment of my life.

Modifié par WidowMaker9394, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[prazision]

Ryllan, I've already typed out a half dozen times why you're wrong and that I'm not literally suggesting everyone be bisexual, so I'll just ask you nicely to use your reading comprehension skills and look at my initial post again.

[prazision]

Marionetten wrote...

prazision wrote...

If we agree that it's unrealistic that every straight/bi female LI will be attracted to Hawke regardless of how ugly you make him or how reprehensibly you have him act, then what's the reasoning for not just having every LI available to both genders? Given that there looks to be a maximum of 3 or 4 LIs in the entire game, I would think it would be an idea people could get behind.

One mistake does not beget another.

Not that I think that every single woman will be fawning over Hawke regardless of how he acts. That is your superstition.

Eh... what? You don't think that the female love INTERESTS for MaleHawke will necessarily be INTERESTED in him?
I just... what??

[thedistortedchild]

I agree, I would have loved it if I could have romanced Morrigan in the first game.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

prazision wrote...

Ryllan, I've already typed out a half dozen times why you're wrong and that I'm not literally suggesting everyone be bisexual, so I'll just ask you nicely to use your reading comprehension skills and look at my initial post again.

Actually the only reason I quoted those posts was because I was making a goofy comment about the picture another poster posted a link to in the first part of my post. Sorry for the misunderstanding there on your part. The second half of my post was just to get back on topic so I would not just derail the thread.

I'm pretty confident my reading comprehension skills are better than your spelling skills, there's no A in my forum name.  (at least the first name!)

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:04 .

[Marionetten]

prazision wrote...

Eh... what? You don't think that the female love INTERESTS for MaleHawke will necessarily be INTERESTED in him?
I just... what??

Depending on how Hawke acts, yes.

You could end Dragon Age: Origins without having experienced a single romance. Leliana's romance in particular was extremely easily shut down. Morrigan was a bit more persistent but that was for plot reasons. God Baby and all.

Modifié par Marionetten, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:03 .

[commanderVal]

Marionetten wrote...

prazision wrote...

Eh... what? You don't think that the female love INTERESTS for MaleHawke will necessarily be INTERESTED in him?
I just... what??

Depending on how Hawke acts, yes.

You could end Dragon Age: Origins without having experienced a single romance. Leliana's romance in particular was extremely easily shut down. Morrigan was a bit more persistent but that was for plot reasons. God Baby and all.

True- I did not romance anyone in my best playthrough. Not for the lack of trying though- it was just too hard to ignore the option of: "So? Go help Alistair cook." lol

[thegoldfinch]

I see what you're saying OP. And even if I did like the idea, which I do not, then it would still be a waste of resources to pander to a relatively minor aspect of the game when work could be put into another area, like combat or the main storyline.

[Tribull]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

The second half of my post was just to get back on topic so I would not just derail the thread.

This post is already a train wreck.

[Xebioz]

pixieface wrote...

I see what you're saying OP. And even if I did like the idea, which I do not, then it would still be a waste of resources to pander to a relatively minor aspect of the game when work could be put into another area, like combat or the main storyline.

I agree, though I think that the storyline should be pretty da*n good, considering the amount of resources allready taken from things such as origins and stuff...

I'm still kinda sad about that, but I'll just trust bioware... 

[Tribull]

The End

[Nohvarr]

prazision wrote...

kingjezza wrote...

I figure if I'm Hawke, leader, big boss etc then I should be allowed who I want and they'll be happy with that. Like Deathstalker.

Exactly! If Hawke is so magnetic and appealing (they even confirmed romances will still happen even with NEGATIVE APPROVAL (ie "rivalry") this time!) then why can't s/he make people question their sexuality?

Because It dosen't fit the characters that they have created. Being a rival and still loving someone isn't that unusal or even unexpected. See 'Annie get your gun' & 'Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back' for examples

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:28 .

[prazision]

pixieface wrote...

I see what you're saying OP. And even if I did like the idea, which I do not, then it would still be a waste of resources to pander to a relatively minor aspect of the game when work could be put into another area, like combat or the main storyline.

I would fully support removing romances entirely if it meant the RPG system were restored to complex, traditional roots and not "mass effected", and the gameworld were as large, reactive and immersive as, say, New Vegas (which had no romances and, as far as I know, has outsold any BioWare game to date).
For the time being, however, BioWare's primary focus appears to be on relationships with party members. Mass Effect 2's plot is literally "assemble a crew and bond with them", and 2 months from release we know basically nothing about DA2's story - we know more about the companions than the plot. So if that's the focus, then it should be really focused on.

[The Elder King]

prazision wrote...

pixieface wrote...

I see what you're saying OP. And even if I did like the idea, which I do not, then it would still be a waste of resources to pander to a relatively minor aspect of the game when work could be put into another area, like combat or the main storyline.

I would fully support removing romances entirely if it meant the RPG system were restored to complex, traditional roots and not "mass effected", and the gameworld were as large, reactive and immersive as, say, New Vegas (which had no romances and, as far as I know, has outsold any BioWare game to date).
For the time being, however, BioWare's primary focus appears to be on relationships with party members. Mass Effect 2's plot is literally "assemble a crew and bond with them", and 2 months from release we know basically nothing about DA2's story - we know more about the companions than the plot. So if that's the focus, then it should be really focused on.

The gameword of games like New Vegas and Oblivion (and Skyrim) are free-roaming, of course they larger thant BioWare's game. They're different types of RPG's. Oblivion didn't have companions, which I don't like a lot.
And, sorry, but we don't know that much about companions. We know who are our comapnion, but not all about their story. And I prefer to know about companions that the game's plot.

[jsachun]

Tribull wrote...

jsachun wrote...

Definition of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Bullsh!t, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

No, no beauty is now in the eye of the epic beard holder. 

[Gabey5]

i wouldnt be mad