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[Darth Hawke]

ME1 was meh. ME2 is much better

[DarthCaine]

My review of ME2 (and sort of a comparison to ME1)

Disliked:
-No armor for squad mates
-Effects of ME1 choices (though every realist saw this coming, it's the same in every BioWare game)
-Too many squad mates (by the time I recruited them all, I forgot about the ones I already have)
-Scanning (still, I'd rather scan a planet than go up 90 degrees hills just to get to an even more annoying minigame)
-Glitches
-No helmet toggle
-No skipping opening scene (still, it's better than ME1 where NO scenes were skippable)
-Box-art (worst ever)
-Very little armor parts
-A few unexplained plot holes
-Arnold Schwarzenegger (though not much worse than Zombie Cyborg Jumping Frog)

Liked:
-No mako
-Easier to manage equipment
-More cinematic
-More emotional
-Better written new interesting characters (ME1's squad mates were the most boring characters BioWare has ever made)
-Shepard speaks more often thus giving him more personality
-More Humor (than in ME1)
-Profanity (the more, the merrier I say)
-Better environments
-More atmospheric (Afterlife, Omega, Illium)
-Much better music (than ME1's)
-Every weapon is different
-Biotics are awesome (unlike ME1)
-Better Powers
-Awesome combat
-New xp system
-Much better side quests
-Ammo
-Tougher decisions (thought still not tough enough, BioWare should take cues from The Witcher)
-Better easter eggs

In conclusion: ME1 has the better main plot, ME2 has EVERYTHING else better

Modifié par DarthCaine, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:39 .

[Babli]

ME 2 is more cinematic, then there is Legion...and thats it. Everything else I like more in ME1.



Yes, even a combat.

[Jorina Leto]

darknoon5 wrote...
 ME2 is a more enjoyable RPG

Wrong. It is not an RPG It is a shooter with RPG elements.

[darknoon5]

Jorina Leto wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
 ME2 is a more enjoyable RPG

Wrong. It is not an RPG It is a shooter with RPG elements.

To be frank: NO U
It allows you control over the story, interactions with characters, control over your morality, several endings, control over what weapons/armour you wear and control of your abilities. It also features side quests alongside the main story. To me, that is how you define an RPG.
Also, what's wrong with the "shooter" part? People say that likes it's bad. ME has always been part shooter, it was just appalingly executed in the first one.

[darknoon5]

DarthCaine wrote...

My review of ME2 (and sort of a comparison to ME1)

Disliked:
-No armor for squad mates
-Effects of ME1 choices (though every realist saw this coming, it's the same in every BioWare game)
-Too many squad mates (by the time I recruited them all, I forgot about the ones I already have)
-Scanning (still, I'd rather scan a planet than go up 90 degrees hills just to get to an even more annoying minigame)
-Glitches
-No helmet toggle
-No skipping opening scene (still, it's better than ME1 where NO scenes were skippable)
-Box-art (worst ever)
-Very little armor parts
-A few unexplained plot holes
-Arnold Schwarzenegger (though not much worse than Zombie Cyborg Jumping Frog)

Liked:
-No mako
-Easier to manage equipment
-More cinematic
-More emotional
-Better written new interesting characters (ME1's squad mates were the most boring characters BioWare has ever made)
-Shepard speaks more often thus giving him more personality
-More Humor (than in ME1)
-Profanity (the more, the merrier I say)
-Better environments
-More atmospheric (Afterlife, Omega, Illium)
-Much better music (than ME1's)
-Every weapon is different
-Biotics are awesome (unlike ME1)
-Better Powers
-Awesome combat
-New xp system
-Much better side quests
-Ammo
-Tougher decisions (thought still not tough enough, BioWare should take cues from The Witcher)
-Better easter eggs

In conclusion: ME1 has the better main plot, ME2 has EVERYTHING else better

Pretty much this.

[awf08]

I'll echo the ME1 has a better main plot, but ME2 has everything else better.



But I also enjoyed ME2s plot immensely. Hopefully its all tied together very cleanly in ME3!

[The Spamming Troll]

i look at it this way. if i had only one game to play for the rest of my life, itd be ME1. if i had two options itd be ME1 and another copy of ME1. ME2 is my second favorite game only because it followed ME1. ME2 on its own just really isnt worth it for me.

[Tasker]

ME2 shouldn't even be classed as the sequel to ME1.

It's to ME1 what ODST is to Halo 1, 2 and 3.  Same universe - different series with different game mechanics.

ME1 had it's flaws and a fair clump of things that I found annoying, but instead of the tweaking they needed, they were ripped out and replaced with crap, easier to program versions.

ME1 felt like an epic movie watched at the cinema with a load of mates and plenty of popcorn.

ME2 felt like a pretty decent movie shown on tv, but with half of the contet edited out to make way for ad breaks.

Modifié par Orkboy, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:17 .

[Jorina Leto]

darknoon5 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
 ME2 is a more enjoyable RPG

Wrong. It is not an RPG It is a shooter with RPG elements.

To be frank: NO U
It allows you control over the story, interactions with characters, control over your morality, several endings, control over what weapons/armour you wear and control of your abilities. It also features side quests alongside the main story. To me, that is how you define an RPG.
Also, what's wrong with the "shooter" part? People say that likes it's bad. ME has always been part shooter, it was just appalingly executed in the first one.

Yeah just RPGs allow you to control part of the story... You're wrong.



Remove the Powers and the Level/XP and every RPG element is gone.

[kane442]

i belive alot of the fondness for ME1 stems from people sucking at shooters and nostalgia . ME1 auto aim was crazy you could aim 2 feet to the left of a dude and hit him in the head.....ME2 the shooting is much more precise thus harder for people who dont play shooters

as a side note needless inventory and menus are not what makes a good rpg

Modifié par kane442, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[Jerrald]

An immersive sci-fi opera vs some sketchy and uninspired fantasy crap? Hmm... let me think.



Yeah, I prefer ME over ME2 and I couldn't care less about all those shooter improvements they made.

[Babli]

kane442 wrote...

i belive alot of the fondness for ME1 stems from people sucking at shooters and nostalgia . ME1 auto aim was crazy you could aim 2 feet to the left of a dude and hit him in the head.....ME2 the shooting is much more precise thus harder for people who dont play shooters

Actually, I dont suck at shooting games, I love TPS games.
But in ME 2 it´s all about "run to cover, shoot, shoot, run to another cover, shoot, shoot, run to press a button" It was fun for the first time but its deadly boring after numerous playthroughs. At least for me. And I find using powers in ME 1 much more fun, mainly because I dont need to wait after using one power to use some other like in ME 2.

But I got a feeling that this is like 1000th thread about this. There should be new poll, now that hype is gone and more people played ME 1 after second game. Results would be different I´m sure.

Jerrald wrote...

An immersive sci-fi opera vs some sketchy and uninspired fantasy crap? Hmm... let me think.

Yeah, I prefer ME over ME2 and I couldn't care less about all those shooter improvements they made.

Little exaggarated but I agree.

Modifié par Babli, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .

[bjdbwea]

Furthermore, the shooting aspects aren't the most important thing in such a game. If anyone disagrees with that, there are countless shooters available. Why care about the Mass Effect series in the first place? As far as the more important things like story and dialogue are concerned, ME 1 is miles ahead of ME 2.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 11 janvier 2011 - 07:47 .

[C-Gamer90]

The only thing I really miss from ME1 that should have been in ME2 was the ability to customize weapons and armor on a greater scale. But hey, I enjoyed both games despite there flaws and am eagerly awaiting the conclusion in ME3.

[Drowsy0106]

ME2 is fun, but definitely lacking in the RPG department. But i like to believe this was EA's doing and BW was forced to make things more mainstream and attract a larger audience.

[kane442]

powers in ME2 are on a universal cooldown but the cooldowns are much shorter in ME2  a fast cooldown in ME1 is around 10-15 seconds a fast one in ME2 is 3-4 seconds.

 to the why play ME for shooter mechanics , i play it for the mix of well ballanced rpg elements with a strong shooting base and a great story.....i will say my olny real complant about ME2 is the biotics not working on shielded people that was lame .  
 

[Keldian]

kane442 wrote...

i belive alot of the fondness for ME1 stems from people sucking at shooters and nostalgia . ME1 auto aim was crazy you could aim 2 feet to the left of a dude and hit him in the head.....ME2 the shooting is much more precise thus harder for people who dont play shooters

as a side note needless inventory and menus are not what makes a good rpg

^
This

To add to this. It might have seemed cool to cosumize the **** out of your guns (I made a syper shotgun that could one shot a geth prime from miles away, lol!) The combat and over all game play in nearly ever way just felt all wrong. People rip apart ME2 becauseit was not that same but people would still find something bad and crappy about it if it had not changed. I don't think that story was as solid as ME1, but I still found it a lot more a lot more fun and replayable. Plus I try to find and look at the good side of things instead of that parts that sucked  

[Nightwriter]

I don't know anymore. I'm lost and confused. I think I'll just shuffle back and forth through the forums a la Kreacher, half mad, muttering to myself in a clearly audible voice that everyone can hear.

"So they think ME2 is better, the blood traitor brats... befouling my mother's house, oh my mistress, if she could see it now... they threw out her crouch mechanic, her inventory system, her blessed elevator banter, oh the shame..."

[Bluko]

Mass Effect 1 was a bit more interesting. The universe was very detailed and the combat was somewhat in-depth, although stuff like texture pop-in and poor frame-rate really does a lot to bring down the game in terms of overall quality. It also tended to be a bit more glitchy. However the main story was a lot more compelling, although at first it seems very simple with Saren just being the classic bad guy with robot army. By the end of the game you find out there's quite a bit more going on. The fact that you can actually explore planets and there's quite a lot of people you can talk to makes it feel a lot more susbstantial. In general conversation outcomes felt a lot more meaningful in Mass Effect as you could often talk your way out of fight, or reach several different conclusions.

In ME2 not so much. Or at least it seems like in ME2 the only way you can get things done is by killing a bunch of Mercs first.

Now Mass Effect 2 isn't bad. I'd say it's easily a more exciting and intensive game. Combat for the most part is better simply because it's a bit more fun. It certainly plays smoother and faster anyways. ME1 was a bit more tactical, but sometimes combat would really drag on namely due to very poor enemy AI. However ME2's friendly AI hasn't really improved at all, which is kind of aggravating. However the downside for me is there really isn't much exploration or investigation done in ME2. The game gets a bit too trigger happy. I mean really there are only a few additions to the codex. ME2 kind of got a bit too focused on combat. The dialogue is still good and interupts are nifty.

So yes I like ME1 better, but I still very much enjoy ME2.

[Malanek]

ME1 wasn't actually a very good game. The game system alone wouldn't have stood up to other games being produced at the time and the level design appeared unfocused. However it did introduce us to an interesting setting and had a fairly good story to go with.



ME2 is an excellent game, in terms of gameplay it is streets ahead in every regard (except scanning is tedious). I liked the micro-writing and characters in ME2 but sadly the overall plot didn't consist of that much. From a story point of view you could play ME1, read a summary of ME2 a couple of sentences long, and be ready to play ME3. The trilogy could have easily been 2 games long. However overall ME2 has been one of my favourite games, if not the favourite game, of all time.

[Khayness]

kane442 wrote...

powers in ME2 are on a universal cooldown but the cooldowns are much shorter in ME2  a fast cooldown in ME1 is around 10-15 seconds a fast one in ME2 is 3-4 seconds.

You could faceroll powers constantly and make crazy levitate/throw/singularity stunlock combos and whatnot if you figure out the skill system. Imo that beats shared cooldowns and spamming the signature ability of each class 24/7.

[InvaderErl]

kane442 wrote...

as a side note needless inventory and menus are not what makes a good rpg

This, oh so very much this.

Nightwriter wrote...

"So they think ME2 is better, the blood traitor brats... befouling my mother's house, oh my mistress, if she could see it now... they threw out her crouch mechanic, her inventory system, her blessed elevator banter, oh the shame..."

Aside from the crouch I say good riddance.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[LiquidGrape]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know anymore. I'm lost and confused. I think I'll just shuffle back and forth through the forums a la Kreacher, half mad, muttering to myself in a clearly audible voice that everyone can hear.

"So they think ME2 is better, the blood traitor brats... befouling my mother's house, oh my mistress, if she could see it now... they threw out her crouch mechanic, her inventory system, her blessed elevator banter, oh the shame..."

Best. Use. Of. A. Literary. Reference. Ever.

And to stay on that note...

InvaderErl wrote...

Aside from the crouch I say good riddance.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:26 .

[Phaedon]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know anymore. I'm lost and confused. I think I'll just shuffle back and forth through the forums a la Kreacher, half mad, muttering to myself in a clearly audible voice that everyone can hear.

"So they think ME2 is better, the blood traitor brats... befouling my mother's house, oh my mistress, if she could see it now... they threw out her crouch mechanic, her inventory system, her blessed elevator banter, oh the shame..."

And you'll be a victim of nostalgia just like Kreacher.

Modifié par Phaedon, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:31 .