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Graphics and sound are better in ME 2. Everything else is better in ME 1.

Weapon based combat and inventory systems base design is also better in ME2.

(I mean the design, not amount of customation. My point is that ME2 may have less customation in inventory and it may be more limited than ME1's had. How ever, what ME2 had worked fine and it was not pain in ass like ME1 inventory system was. Don't say, if they just fix it, because they did fix it in my opinion. Now they just need to add more variety and customation in it for ME3 and it's better than both ever was. My point is that base design in ME2 is good, it just need more customation and variety for players. ME1 system could never been fixed with it's base design, because best what it could have come would be like DAO had and it still sucked. Not for DAO, because it was traditional RPG, but for Mass Effect , because it's not traditional RPG, it's more closer to cinematic action adventure game, than some traditional RPG, even if it have some RPG features.)

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AlanC9 wrote...

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Inventory in Mass 2 is actually extremely bearable....but you have to buy all the DLC's. I know that since not everyone is like me in buying everything for Mass 2, then I can see where inventory is a problem.


How did the DLCs make things better for you? I never bought any myself, though I keep meaning to pick up LotSB.




Ok...well... I have the Collecters addition, so right off the bat I get the Collecter Assault Rifle...so, total of three rifles so far....Preordered through Gamestop...Blackstorm Heavy Rifle....Kasumi DLC, Locust SMG, Uhh...the firepower pack- another assault rifle totaling 4 in my possession, then another pistol and...Geth Shotgun...coupled with all of the other things you can get.....idk I have like 8 heavy weapons, 4 assault rifles, three pistols, like 4 shotguns, 4 Sniper Rifles...3 SMG's...



And I forgot to mention the Incsior Rifle and( Equalizer?) Shotgun from the Equalizer pack...


So to make a long story short....DLC's= way more weapons than just the game by itself....therefore making things better.

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Babli wrote...

Oh, its this thread again..

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Seriously give me one good reason why ME1 is better than ME2?

Story, less linear levels, less cover shooting which is boring after numerous playthroughs, biotics are more fun, rpg elements, exploration, no thermal clips, THE Citadel, no super hero costumes for squadmates, deep experience, longer dialogues, best romance scene in game ever, Normandy doesnt need a fuel, squadmates interaction and news in elevators, customization, no cool comics stuff,...I can go on and on.

If someone wants to respond to me, take as fact that this is my opinion and nothing will change it. And no, no nostalgia. I played ME 1 in January 2010 and played second ME 2 right after. I´m just bored with ME 2 after numerous playthroughs while I can play ME 1 again and again and I still have fun.




Yes you are right, it is your opinion and I cant help that people like yourself have poor taste in video games, however to those who actually have taste in video games will almost undoubtedly say that ME2 is a far superior game in pretty much every aspect. To say ME1 is better than ME2 is a huge insult to the work the ME2 team put into the game.

Story

Now perhaps "chasing down a rouge spectre who plans on bringing back a race of sentient machines who wiped out life in the galaxy 50000 years ago" sounds better on paper than "going on a suicide mission to rescue a bunch of abducted colonists" however I honestly found ME2 a lot more interesting in regards to the story, I think this is because most of the story in ME2 was character driven and about helping your companions tie up any loose ends in their life before they potentially die on the suicide mission. Most of the companions in ME2 were more interesting and far superior to the ones in ME1 and each loyalty mission gave an insight into the companions that we never got in ME1, even Jack who I hated with a passion surprised me on her loyalty mission. While I still dont think much of Jack her loyalty mission did manage to change my opinion of her from thinking that she was just there to appeal to rebellious tweens who think a swear word is the height of coolness, the line "I still get a warm feeling when I get into a fight" goes a lot deeper and is a lot more messed up than I thought. Besides the planets and situations Shepard finds himself on and in are far more interesting than what was in ME1. Even the characters (with the exception of Wrex) were pretty plain and boring in ME1, the Virmire decision was hard for me not because I was attached to both the characters but more because I had 2 people to kill yet only 1 bullet.

less cover shooting which is boring after numerous playthroughs, biotics are more fun, rpg elements,  no thermal clips I will put in the one catagory as these are not failures of ME2 as a game but more a failure on your part for sucking at shooters.
 
ME1 was a cakewalk even on Insanity, Insanity diddnt really make the game harder but instead made the combat more tedious than it already was, spam immunity and you can waltz through the game fine, just point and shoot no skill involved and Insanity does little more than increase the number of hits an enemy can take before he dies, the only good point you have made here is the one about Biotics being more fun but it hardly makes up for all the other flaws in the combat in ME1.

less linear levels, exploration, THE Citadel

There really isnt much more exploration in ME1 than ME2 unless you are talking about the horrible and boring featureless planets you drive the Mako around on, sure the main missions (all 5 of them) were slightly less linear than in ME2 but not by much, for the most part you were still traveling down a straight path to the main objective. As for the side quests there really isnt much point exploring the same 4 interiors over and over and over again, ME2 had far more variety when it came to areas and environments. Also we had the Citadel in ME2 as well as Omega, Illium and Tuchanka which were far more interesting.

customization

What customization? If you are talking about weapons and armour then yes ME1 had more than ME2 but they were all the same just with better stats, once you have the X spectre weapons why use anything else, also as for armour take your pick between Colossus X or Predator H, M or L X.

deep experience, longer dialogues,

You are kidding yourself if you thought ME1 was deep, I think I covered this up the top. Not sure about longer dialogues however its not how long they are but more how interesting they are and ME2 wins there.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:02 .


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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Yes you are right, it is your opinion and I cant help that people like yourself have poor taste in video games, however to those who actually have taste in video games will almost undoubtedly say that ME2 is a far superior game in pretty much every aspect. To say ME1 is better than ME2 is a huge insult to the work the ME2 team put into the game.

I wanted to stop reading right there...but I thought you may bring up something interesting with so much confidence when calling yourself better then someone else. So i read it...

*Wall of text presenting your subjective opinion*

...but it was waste of time.

Modifié par Babli, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .


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Babli wrote...


*Wall of text presenting your subjective opinion*

...but it was waste of time.

It was not waste of time. The opinion is different than your, but both opinion are equal valid personal subjective opinions. It shows how differently people can see same stuff.

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Lumikki wrote...

Babli wrote...


*Wall of text presenting your subjective opinion*

...but it was waste of time.

It was not waste of time. The opinion is different than your, but both opinion are equal valid personal subjective opinions. It shows how differently people can see same stuff.

Yes, but I dont wanna argue with someone who is calling himself better then someone else. There is no point in that.
Not to mention, that he is claiming that he is right and I ´m wrong when there´s nothing like "wrong opinion".

Modifié par Babli, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .


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ME1 is the better game and i dont think it needs any explanation why.

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Babli wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Babli wrote...


*Wall of text presenting your subjective opinion*

...but it was waste of time.

It was not waste of time. The opinion is different than your, but both opinion are equal valid personal subjective opinions. It shows how differently people can see same stuff.

Yes, but I dont wanna argue with someone who is calling himself better then someone else. There is no point in that.
Not to mention, that he is claiming that he is right and I ´m wrong when there´s nothing like "wrong opinion".


You know I dont think you even know why you think ME1 is better, it is almost like you want to like ME1 better simply because it was the first in the series dispite the fact that ME2 is clearly a huge improvement and superior to ME1 in every way. You dont argue against my points because you know in your heart that there is no sensible argument against them and instead put your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALA ME1 is better LALALALALA". If you dont want to face the truth then that is your problem however ME2 is the better game, I can hardly call ME1 a good game let alone better than ME2.

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The Spamming Troll wrote...

ME1 is the better game and i dont think it needs any explanation why.


That is because that statement is false and there is no sensible explanation you can give, but then what can you expect from a person with the name "The Spamming Troll"?

Troll harder kid.

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Oh look, a troll!

Weren't you calling ME2 garbage just a month ago, Gandalf?

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:07 .


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It's a fact and the irrefutable truth that ME 1 is clearly superior to ME 2. And it's a fact and the irrefutable truth because it's my opinion.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:09 .


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Troll vs troll! I need some popcorn!

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SSV Enterprise wrote...

Oh look, a troll!

Weren't you calling ME2 garbage just a month ago, Gandalf?


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Lumikki wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Graphics and sound are better in ME 2. Everything else is better in ME 1.

Weapon based combat and inventory systems base design is also better in ME2.

(I mean the design, not amount of customation. My point is that ME2 may have less customation in inventory and it may be more limited than ME1's had. How ever, what ME2 had worked fine and it was not pain in ass like ME1 inventory system was. Don't say, if they just fix it, because they did fix it in my opinion. Now they just need to add more variety and customation in it for ME3 and it's better than both ever was. My point is that base design in ME2 is good, it just need more customation and variety for players. ME1 system could never been fixed with it's base design, because best what it could have come would be like DAO had and it still sucked. Not for DAO, because it was traditional RPG, but for Mass Effect , because it's not traditional RPG, it's more closer to cinematic action adventure game, than some traditional RPG, even if it have some RPG features.)


It may be better for you, but is VERY unoriginal for me. Instead of improving their idea, they just went back to the Doom age - pure weapon selection. It's less clunky, but doesn't make it better. Defining "better" also helps. I'd define it as "appealing" in entertainment. If it's not "appealing", then it's not "better". Thus Bioware should pull their head out of one place and finally decide to whom they want to appeal. For now it looks like I am not one of those people. Are they joking or what... instead of learning from themselves and grouping the damn items (like in KOTOR - forgetting this gem is maybe comparable to using their heads for nail-hitting practice). They removed the inventory and replaced it with just the pure result of grouping, so to speak, doing so while people were nearly (as far as google tells me) not at all complaining about KOTOR's inventory. This is rather an idiotic oversight. To reimplement the wheel twice as bad as it was designed... by themselves.

In overall, simplification doesn't do good for non-repetitiveness and originality. If something is simple, chances are there's a thousand other people who came up with your idea. This is not the problem, but come on... the possibilities are constrained to just a handful and end up being boring after the first hour. To be clear, I wouldn't mind the new weapon selection, if it were AT LEAST as flexible, allowing f@#k-it-up-yourself experiments to be an option. I also didn't like the clunkiness of ME1 inventory... BUT I don't see why they didn't implement it KOTOR-style. And why so few guns? The novelty wore off after ten minutes of using a gun... 

Also, lets be clear on this: ME2 has it all, but it all is nothing worth noting.

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Orginality has no value if it doesn't work well too.

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m4walker wrote...

I think ME1 is better than ME2 because it keeps the "space opera", it's..i don't know, deeper.
Still, it has A LOT of bugs, gameplay sucks compared to ME2 but still,it has that something, maybe the soundtrack...don't know.
ME2 changed the scheme that ME1 created.
I dont know...maybe because i am an amateur astronomer i like it more
but dont misunderstand me, ME2 is awesome, I love Mass Effect, all of them.

I would love to read your opinions.
Regards.


ME1 utterly destroys ME2 in every possible way.

The fact that ME2 was so much more successful pretty much shows that as a society we're doomed.

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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ME1 is the better game and i dont think it needs any explanation why.


That is because that statement is false and there is no sensible explanation you can give, but then what can you expect from a person with the name "The Spamming Troll"?

Troll harder kid.



oh i troll. i troll hard!  ...."troll hard."

troll hard, down liiiiiiifes, rocky roooaaaaad.

troll hard.


anyways ME1 is better then ME2 because of wrex alone. thanks for comming!

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bjdbwea wrote...

Graphics and sound are better in ME 2. Everything else is better in ME 1.

Opinion. Not fact.

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I think that both games are worthy of the passion expressed in the posts here. Although we should try not to add insult to the inquiry of the OP (Original Poster) by questioning the validity of how people feel, rather than debating specific strengths and weaknesses of the Mass Effect game series. What stands out right now the most for me is this:

ME1 has a wonderful Achievement rewards system that ME2 lacked, to make the replays, NG+ (New Game +) even more interesting. ME1 however, has a much slower pace to the go through the story, and not just because of the exploration in the Mako. The combat action was much improved in ME2 but, you can only reach a level 30, and the Achievements don’t offer as much for a replay. In ME1, the combat does get better in a second play-through for your character, after level 50. Overall, the dialog and the context of the missions were much better written in ME2.

What matters most to me is the consistency of the Story. And there is more to telling a story than just a plot line or characters. Visually Bioware has created a living (and dying) Universe, which is just as thrilling to explore in either game. Both are vividly enlightening as well as entertaining, reaching a new level of Gaming that opens a way for interactive Literature to come to life in a 21 Century way.

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When I play Mass Effect, I normally play from start to finish. ME1 -> ME2, and hopefully ME3 soon. Personally, I enjoy both games. Both ME1 and ME2 have their pros and cons, however. Personally, I enjoy ME2 more, if for the sole reason that, in my opinion, has better "storytelling" and immersion. Mass Effect 1 is more open, gives room to explore, and has a more RPG feel to it, but it seems to be weak in storytelling (though the plot is better) and the side quests seems much more repetitive when your entering into the same types of areas over and over again.


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For me:



ME1 experimental game with the usual quality bioware story.

ME2 refined shooter, with experimental story.



whether you prefer ME1 over ME2 usually comes down to what you find more important in your game.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Graphics and sound are better in ME 2. Everything else is better in ME 1.

Opinion. Not fact.


While the quality of ME2 is no doubt better, some environments of ME1 are somewhat artistic. I don't think there is a better word to describe it than artistic. Places like that underground road on Ilos... makes you stop and look (and take screenshots).

I'm not one of those ME2 bashing zombies but ME2 has nothing like this (jpg compression degrades quality a little):

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Ulzeraj wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Graphics and sound are better in ME 2. Everything else is better in ME 1.

Opinion. Not fact.


While the quality of ME2 is no doubt better, some environments of ME1 are somewhat artistic. I don't think there is a better word to describe it than artistic. Places like that underground road on Ilos... makes you stop and look (and take screenshots).


I thought the ME2's artistic style and presentation was a lot better, and the environments more memorable. 

Anyways, characters are definitely one of the most important things to me in story-centric games, and ME1's characters are the weakest cast that Bioware has made.   I thought the characters and character interaction was much much better done in ME2.  The plot was better in ME1, but Ill take characters and character interaction over plot everyday of the week. 

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I think combat in me2 is much cleaner and faster but i miss the indepth RPG elements the first one had, tbh ME" is more of a shooter than a RPG

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Would a comparison thread be the same as a versus thread when everybody is saying which game they think wins or is better? I'm really confused.