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[Lunatic LK47]

Fredvdp wrote...

We're all gonna buy it anyway. Just like ME2, ME3 will have something to draw new players to the series. That's multiplayer. If EA has a team other than bioWare working on a multiplayer mode completely separate from the main game, then I have no problems with it at all.

Like how Medal of Honor and BioShock 2 was successful even when they *DID* follow this model? Oh, wait, they didn't.

[Element_Zero]

I will never understand folks that state if another development team puts in MP, it will not take away from the single player. . . All of the development costs get passed to the buyer, PERIOD. They don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from, and if the executives at EA or BioWare do try that the game is going to be astronomical in costs.



EA - Bioware right now have a major MMO and development expense with the SWTOR as well as with other projects on the table. The time spent on MP aspect could have been spent on anything in regards to improving the story and single player aspect. There's been a ton of discussion on this in just the last 3 pages of this thread. I can say I have a personal and raw hate concerning MP shooters and it surrounds the COD MW series and all of the lazy players who run various hacks.

[Deathwurm]

Personally, I can't see Multiplayer fitting in to the style of the Series...

Maybe hold onto it for future ME Universe games.

[Aggie Punbot]

You know, I used to think that all of these 'Should ME3 have multiplayer?' threads were being started by newbs who didn't know about the search function but given the regularity and tenacity with which they're showing up, I'm suspecting something more sinister.

I'm getting this horrible nagging feeling that (some of) the people posting these threads are actually Bioware/EA Games plants trying to gauge how well the MP function will be received. *is terribly disturbed*

I pray to the Maker that I'm wrong.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:27 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Just to those who say "Multiplayer is an option, dont choose it duuuuuuhhh", that is not what most are complaining about. Sure, there are a few who despise any kind of multiplayer game, but most are complaining due to the inevitably hindered single player. The only game i can think of in history that had an extraordinary single player with a multiplayer component is Red Dead Redemption. But since that is a Rockstar game, and they essentially have bottomless pockets, that can't compare to a game made by Bioware. The whole combat system will be made to suit a multiplayer environment, and not optimised for a singleplayer environment. Not to mention the tactical pause, something i think most (Including myself) love about ME, will be completely useless.



ME's single player will be hindered by multiplayer, no doubt about that.

[AntiChri5]

You don't think Bioware will notice a huge decline in sales? You really think they won't notice if their game doesn't perform as expected/demanded of it? I think you're either naive or trying to convince people to support a game even though it contains a feature they are vehemently opposed to (assuming the rumor about Multiplayer is true).

First, you are assuming that it will result in a huge decline in sales. Second, you are assuming that this decline will be due to multiplayer. Third, you are assuming that BioWare will make the same assumption as number two. Thanks for the ad hominem, haven't had one of them for days.

And that would be correct; if Mass Effect 3 contains multiplayer, I don't want it. Sure, I'll be sad that I never got to complete a game series that I used to (and currently) absolutely adore, but there are other games out there that I can play. I'll get over it. It's not like it's the only game out there. I'll survive.

And i never tire of laughing at this whole "multiplayer will taint and completely destroy the game!" attitude. The game simply having a multiplayer component would ruin it completely? Really?

[Gibb_Shepard]

AntiChri5 wrote...

 don't want it. Sure, I'll be sad that I never got to complete a game series that I used to (and currently) absolutely adore, but there are other games out there that I can play. I'll get over it. It's not like it's the only game out there. I'll survive.

And i never tire of laughing at this whole "multiplayer will taint and completely destroy the game!" attitude. The game simply having a multiplayer component would ruin it completely? Really?

Of course not, but it will hinder it. 

[Lunatic LK47]

AntiChri5 wrote...
And i never tire of laughing at this whole "multiplayer will taint and completely destroy the game!" attitude. The game simply having a multiplayer component would ruin it completely? Really?

Games with shoehorned multiplayer that ended up bringing the game down:

Godfather 2 (Glitches galore, and guess what, the only game in the series to feature multiplayer.)
Resident Evil 5 (Single-player is not fun due to ****ty A.I., *FORCING* co-op down our throats.)
Lost Planet 2 (****ty A.I. ruining single-player. Co-op *FORCED* down our throat.)
Mercenaries 2: (Gameplay glitches, not to mention ****ty network service made co-op unplayable.)
BioShock 2 (other than the fact that a sequel was shoe-horned for the sake of one, they had a team dedicated to multiplayer, separate from campaign, and guess what, no one and their grandma touched it, making the game not worth a $70 price tag.)

[Fiery Phoenix]

rynluna wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
If you buy it to enjoy the singleplayer, but then never play the multiplayer BioWare will notice. If they have massive sales but no community playing online, they will realise no one is interested in multiplayer. If they have **** sales, it could be attributed to any one of the changes they introduce.

Yeah, Bioware will later realize this at the expense of everyone's favorite single player game being a test subject for multiplayer.

And that test subject is the last chapter of an epic and personal trilogy. Don't forget that part.

[Element_Zero]

*cough cough* Dude I will not buy another COD game ever after my experience with MW 2 and it's muliplayer. In-fact Activision - Infinity Ward have done very little if nothing to put any kind of dent in the various hacking methods that players were using on that game.



There are tons of MP games out there. . . Why dose it Mass Effect HAVE TO HAVE IT? Hells bells there are tons of FREE TO PLAY shooter MPs out there as well. . .

[SithLordExarKun]

Thinking about it, nah. For a spin off game, hell yeah. I wouldn't mind if its a battlefield like game for the spin off though.

[Aggie Punbot]

@AntiChri5: look. The fact remains that the only way of getting the message through to a gaming company that you are dissatisfied with a product and/or service is to not support them in it. Poll results don't work. Online petitions don't work. Writing snail mail letters doesn't work. Sending emails doesn't work. The only effective way of expressing disapproval is to boycott it. I will not purchase a multiplayer game even if said feature is optional and I expect I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.

I do find it interetsting that the people that want multiplayer (such as yourself) utterly refuse to accept the perfectly valid reasons why some people are so solidly opposed to this.

- Some people cannot afford a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people do not want to pay a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people already have a monthly subscription to a video game and are unwilling to pay for a second (or more) one.*
- Some people do not play games online.
- Some people do not have unlimited bandwidth to waste on an online video game.
- Some people do not/cannot maintain a solid and stable internet connection.
- Simple mathematics show that the more money that is spent on multiplayer features is money that is not getting spent on makiing the single player experience the best it could be. Bioware has a finite budget.
- Some people do not/will not play video games with other people (be they people they know or complete strangers).
- Some people prefer to maintain the personal and unique aspect of the story (i.e. being able to write Shepard's story as they see fit).
- Some people would rather complete the trilogy as it started: as a single player experience.
- Some people are opposed to the inevitable competative nature that multiplayer develops.

I expect there are a multitude of other reasons as well but these are the first ones that spring to mind.

* These points presuppose that a Mass Effect MMORPG would be pay-to-play.
 

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:13 .

[masterkajo]

TS2Aggie wrote...

@AntiChri5: look. The fact remains that the only way of getting the message through to a gaming company that you are dissatisfied with a product and/or service is to not support them in it. Poll results don't work. Online petitions don't work. Writing snail mail letters doesn't work. Sending emails doesn't work. The only effective way of expressing disapproval is to boycott it. I will not purchase a multiplayer game even if said feature is optional and I expect I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.

I do find it interetsting that the people that want multiplayer (such as yourself) utterly refuse to accept the perfectly valid reasons why some people are so solidly opposed to this.

- Some people cannot afford a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people do not want to pay a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people already have a monthly subscription to a video game and are unwilling to pay for a second (or more) one.*
- Some people do not play games online.
- Some people do not have unlimited bandwidth to waste on an online video game.
- Some people do not/cannot maintain a solid and stable internet connection.
- Simple mathematics show that the more money that is spent on multiplayer features is money that is not getting spent on makiing the single player experience the best it could be. Bioware has a finite budget.
- Some people do not/will not play video games with other people (be they people they know or complete strangers).
- Some people prefer to maintain the personal and unique aspect of the story (i.e. being able to write Shepard's story as they see fit).
- Some people would rather complete the trilogy as it started: as a single player experience.

I expect there are a multitude of other reasons as well but these are the first ones that spring to mind.

* These points presuppose that a Mass Effect MMORPG would be pay-to-play.
 

Amen.

[s0meguy6665]

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but since bioware is evil, they will do it regardless.

[Someone With Mass]

I personally think it's too late for multiplayer to be added in ME3 now without feeling tacked on and something that was developed very late.



Unless they put it in at the very start, and adapted it from there on to be more than the simple team deathmatch multiplayer that no one will play after half a year.



Still, I can live without multiplayer. Never saw the big appeal.

[Icinix]

TS2Aggie wrote...

@AntiChri5: look. The fact remains that the only way of getting the message through to a gaming company that you are dissatisfied with a product and/or service is to not support them in it. Poll results don't work. Online petitions don't work. Writing snail mail letters doesn't work. Sending emails doesn't work. The only effective way of expressing disapproval is to boycott it. I will not purchase a multiplayer game even if said feature is optional and I expect I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.

I do find it interetsting that the people that want multiplayer (such as yourself) utterly refuse to accept the perfectly valid reasons why some people are so solidly opposed to this.

- Some people cannot afford a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people do not want to pay a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people already have a monthly subscription to a video game and are unwilling to pay for a second (or more) one.*
- Some people do not play games online.
- Some people do not have unlimited bandwidth to waste on an online video game.
- Some people do not/cannot maintain a solid and stable internet connection.
- Simple mathematics show that the more money that is spent on multiplayer features is money that is not getting spent on makiing the single player experience the best it could be. Bioware has a finite budget.
- Some people do not/will not play video games with other people (be they people they know or complete strangers).
- Some people prefer to maintain the personal and unique aspect of the story (i.e. being able to write Shepard's story as they see fit).
- Some people would rather complete the trilogy as it started: as a single player experience.
- Some people are opposed to the inevitable competative nature that multiplayer develops.

I expect there are a multitude of other reasons as well but these are the first ones that spring to mind.

* These points presuppose that a Mass Effect MMORPG would be pay-to-play.
 

I do believe there is nothing more to add.  When I say 'nay' to multiplayer. This is why.

[Someone With Mass]

TS2Aggie wrote...

@AntiChri5: look. The fact remains that the only way of getting the message through to a gaming company that you are dissatisfied with a product and/or service is to not support them in it. Poll results don't work. Online petitions don't work. Writing snail mail letters doesn't work. Sending emails doesn't work. The only effective way of expressing disapproval is to boycott it. I will not purchase a multiplayer game even if said feature is optional and I expect I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.

I do find it interetsting that the people that want multiplayer (such as yourself) utterly refuse to accept the perfectly valid reasons why some people are so solidly opposed to this.

- Some people cannot afford a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people do not want to pay a monthly fee for a video game.*
- Some people already have a monthly subscription to a video game and are unwilling to pay for a second (or more) one.*
- Some people do not play games online.
- Some people do not have unlimited bandwidth to waste on an online video game.
- Some people do not/cannot maintain a solid and stable internet connection.
- Simple mathematics show that the more money that is spent on multiplayer features is money that is not getting spent on makiing the single player experience the best it could be. Bioware has a finite budget.
- Some people do not/will not play video games with other people (be they people they know or complete strangers).
- Some people prefer to maintain the personal and unique aspect of the story (i.e. being able to write Shepard's story as they see fit).
- Some people would rather complete the trilogy as it started: as a single player experience.
- Some people are opposed to the inevitable competative nature that multiplayer develops.

I expect there are a multitude of other reasons as well but these are the first ones that spring to mind.

* These points presuppose that a Mass Effect MMORPG would be pay-to-play.
 

I agree with everything. Plus the fact that I'm one of those "some people"

[Sique Foque]

Does anyone, I mean really anyone, seriously believe, that Mass Effect 3 will have multiplayer?



Get a grip!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sique Foque wrote...

Does anyone, I mean really anyone, seriously believe, that Mass Effect 3 will have multiplayer?

Get a grip!

LOL! I absolutely like your confidence, good sir. I wish I had it.

[Matchy Pointy]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

Does anyone, I mean really anyone, seriously believe, that Mass Effect 3 will have multiplayer?

Get a grip!

LOL! I absolutely like your confidence, good sir. I wish I had it.

Couldnt have put it better myself :happy:.

[ShepardOsiris]

There are only so many resources to go around, plain and simple, and anyone that thinks a MP component can be added without it affecting SP is not facing reality, or accepting what gaming industry history has shown us.



It's already been said by devs that digital modeling and animation budget concerns where much of the reason we don't see a wider range of species and sexes all the time, like female Krogan or female Turians for example. There were also numerous little story or side content issues here or there, where I thought they opened up a door in ME 1, and then just didn't do anything with it in ME 2. I don't know if that was budget or time related, or just an oversight or what have you.



What I do know is that Mass Effect has been one of, if not the greatest single player trilogy ever, and the last thing I want, is to have unfinished bits of story, shortened content or any other concessions made, just so some crappy MP component or Co-op horde mode that 50 other games have done to death already, can be put into ME 3.



I think with a current standing of 76% NO, and only 8% YES, it's pretty clear I'm not alone in feeling this way. I hope Bioware listens is all.

[AntiChri5]

Games with shoehorned multiplayer that ended up bringing the game down:

Godfather 2 (Glitches galore, and guess what, the only game in the series to feature multiplayer.)

Resident Evil 5 (Single-player is not fun due to ****ty A.I., *FORCING* co-op down our throats.)

Lost Planet 2 (****ty A.I. ruining single-player. Co-op *FORCED* down our throat.)

Mercenaries 2: (Gameplay glitches, not to mention ****ty network service made co-op unplayable.)

BioShock 2 (other than the fact that a sequel was shoe-horned for the sake of one, they had a team dedicated to multiplayer, separate from campaign, and guess what, no one and their grandma touched it, making the game not worth a $70 price tag.)

For all of those except Bioshock you are completely ignoring other possible reasons the games may have suffered. The only one i have played is Bioshock 2, and as you acknowledged, it's problems stem from it being an unnecessary cash grab sequal, not multiplayer.

@AntiChri5: look. The fact remains that the only way of getting the message through to a gaming company that you are dissatisfied with a product and/or service is to not support them in it. Poll results don't work. Online petitions don't work. Writing snail mail letters doesn't work. Sending emails doesn't work. The only effective way of expressing disapproval is to boycott it. I will not purchase a multiplayer game even if said feature is optional and I expect I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.

Wrong. That tells them nothing, especially if other people are still buying the game.

The best way to express your dislike of a feature is to get the game but never utilise it. BioWare knows what we do when we play. They know how many people play as Soldiers, they know how many people play as femshep, they know how many people never talk to Grunt. They know how many times i have finished ME 2, and how often people skip conversations.

If they notice a trend of people playing singleplayer a great deal but never touching the multiplayer it will send a very clear message.

I do find it interetsting that the people that want multiplayer (such as yourself) utterly refuse to accept the perfectly valid reasons why some people are so solidly opposed to this.

Point out where i said i want multiplayer? I could go either way, i am both for and against, i acknowledge the reasons people have to want a singleplayer game to remain so (my brother really wants ME3 to be singleplayer. Ironically, he is the one always playing MMO's, and i refuse to touch them).

- Some people cannot afford a monthly fee for a video game.*

- Some people do not want to pay a monthly fee for a video game.*

- Some people already have a monthly subscription to a video game and are unwilling to pay for a second (or more) one.*

- Some people do not play games online.

- Some people do not have unlimited bandwidth to waste on an online video game.

- Some people do not/cannot maintain a solid and stable internet connection.

I am ****** poor, and just canceled my Gold X box live subscription (gold is required to play online).

- Simple mathematics show that the more money that is spent on multiplayer features is money that is not getting spent on makiing the single player experience the best it could be. Bioware has a finite budget.

The budget is determined by many things, including what their aims are. A project with different goals will get a different budget. The budget may be increased if they decide to go for multiplayer.

- Some people do not/will not play video games with other people (be they people they know or complete strangers).

And some people will not do the romances.

- Some people prefer to maintain the personal and unique aspect of the story (i.e. being able to write Shepard's story as they see fit).

I can't see why this would change.

- Some people would rather complete the trilogy as it started: as a single player experience. 

- Some people are opposed to the inevitable competative nature that multiplayer develops.

I wholeheartedly agree with these two points. But they aren't the only points that matter to me.

[s0meguy6665]

uh... guys... pretty sure there's gonna be multiplayer, because a while ago they said on their website that they were looking for multiplayer programmers for ME3.

[Sique Foque]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

Does anyone, I mean really anyone, seriously believe, that Mass Effect 3 will have multiplayer?

Get a grip!

LOL! I absolutely like your confidence, good sir. I wish I had it.

You could follow me through the fires of hell, believe me!