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[seph22]

I have this single and simple question

Why the reapers decided finally to attack and reveal themselves to the entire galaxy in ME3 (ME3 trailer and ME2 ending clearly shows them advanacing to the galaxy) why didn't they do that before in Mass effect 1 or mass effect 2? when you see their masive army of reapers you do look at their plan to use the collectors as pathetic because the reapers are way more stronger than this they don't need to use the collectors, it seems the entire the conduit story fall apart with ME2 Ending.

"Random thoughts"

From what i understood (Correct me if i'm wrong) the reapers never wanted to reveal their identity and remain hidden but since their reaper spy in ME1 died (Sovereigion) and their plan to build a reaper replacment for soverigion failed in ME2 they saw no other option but to declare war and invade as a last resort because civilizations are advancing too fast for the reapers to let them stay alive, we are told that the reapers harvest races during certain times but they never leave a trace by using the mass relays to their advantage etc

But if they are attacking out of despration there seems to be a flaw left..... if they attacked now with sheer force and without a plan (like what they wanted to accomplish in mass effect 1 but failed) the galaxy races will be fully aware of them and will take all their time to advanace their technology and power to build stuff to fight the reapers whenever they return again (if the reapers only attacked earth) so if the reapers are coming to the galaxy now (and they are) they will have to kill everything not just earth, earth might be their first target but they will have to wipe the entire galaxy races and harvest everything for the last time

I really don't see anything that happened in Mass effect 2 that made the reapers say "oh we can finally attack" it's not like they were traped and finally the door get unlocked for them in mass effect 2 or 1 specially with the entire conduit story of mass effect 1.

[Vaenier]

They were waiting for their wormhole to develop so they could return in a timely fashion. They were incredibly stupid and only had the Citadel as the way to return. So now they are pulling a backup plan out of their ass, probably halestrom being destabilized by the Heretic Geth to form a wormhole. But that is just a theory. Them being dumb and getting trapped is fact though.

[seph22]

Vaenier wrote...

They were waiting for their wormhole to develop so they could return in a timely fashion. They were incredibly stupid and only had the Citadel as the way to return. So now they are pulling a backup plan out of their ass, probably halestrom being destabilized by the Heretic Geth to form a wormhole. But that is just a theory. Them being dumb and getting trapped is fact though.

Well that what i just said in my first post and them being trapped but in the end of ME2 it seems that they were not traped at all and once their plan to build a second reaper failed they have advanced asap as if nothing ever stopped them from doing so, it makes the story of ME1/ME2 silly if they can just attack anytime they want without anything blocking their way if that was the case why didn't they do it before instead of all the drama in ME1/ME2.

[Sajuro]

You see, all the Reapers except for Sovereign are about the size of the Harbinger projection talking to the collector general.

[Vaenier]

seph22 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

They were waiting for their wormhole to develop so they could return in a timely fashion. They were incredibly stupid and only had the Citadel as the way to return. So now they are pulling a backup plan out of their ass, probably halestrom being destabilized by the Heretic Geth to form a wormhole. But that is just a theory. Them being dumb and getting trapped is fact though.

Well that what i just said in my first post and them being trapped but in the end of ME2 it seems that they were not traped at all and once their plan to build a second reaper failed they have advanced asap as if nothing ever stopped them from doing so, it makes the story of ME1/ME2 silly if they can just attack anytime they want without anything blocking their way if that was the case why didn't they do it before instead of all the drama in ME1/ME2.

Well, we have no idea when ME3 takes place, it could be another 10 years before they are able to return.
Plan A: Remote signal. FAIL
Plan B: Manual override. [ME1] FAIL
Plan C: Replacement Reaper, repeat plan B. [ME2] FAIL
Plan D: started initially as a failsafe, destabilise star to form wormhole. [speculation] In Progress

[Volus Warlord]

I believe the Reapers are simply overly methodical; they stick with one preconceived notion of what should happen and how.

[KingDan97]

The plan to build a second Reaper and retake the Citadel would've taken less time then flying through dark space to get to the milky way. Aside from that, we weren't really the big wrench in the plan of the Reapers in ME1, the Protheans were. Therefore they likely just assumed it was luck, a fluke and wouldn't happen if a second Reaper was built because they are "all powerful" and all that.



In ME2, their slave race was destroyed. They lost the Collector base and they likely didn't have a third plan in place because honestly, Saren was a fluke and an outcome they hadn't calculated for, the Protheans plan, stopped them from just jumping over. They had no other choice now, they needed to start moving towards the Milky Way and take matters into their own hands.

[Prince Keldar]

I have seen topics like this and this is the first time I am posting. What I think is that they wanted to use the Citadel Relay because they knew that the Citadel is where the galactic government is. They want to knock out the leadership in one swift attack.  Also, the Citadel has become the center of the galaxy.  Everyone is truly connected to everyone else through the Citadel.

Remember what Vigil said on Ilos. He said something like by the time they realized what was happening the government was destroyed and they lost contact with everyone else. That is why the reapers wanted to use the Citadel. But now that they failed with Sovereign and with the Collectors, their only option is to attack like what we see at the end of ME2.

The reason they didn't do this from the very beginning is because it will also give all other races a heads up and this time they will be able to fight back. And that is not what the Reapers want.

Thats my belief anyway.

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[seph22]

KingDan97 wrote...

The plan to build a second Reaper and retake the Citadel would've taken less time then flying through dark space to get to the milky way. Aside from that, we weren't really the big wrench in the plan of the Reapers in ME1, the Protheans were. Therefore they likely just assumed it was luck, a fluke and wouldn't happen if a second Reaper was built because they are "all powerful" and all that.

In ME2, their slave race was destroyed. They lost the Collector base and they likely didn't have a third plan in place because honestly, Saren was a fluke and an outcome they hadn't calculated for, the Protheans plan, stopped them from just jumping over. They had no other choice now, they needed to start moving towards the Milky Way and take matters into their own hands.

How many years does it take to travel from dark space to the earth? because after the base events harinbger said the reapers now will have to use another method then all of sudden all the reapers are advancing to the galaxy they were never traped or stopped it seems, unless ME3 events are years after ME2 why didn't the reapers advance to earth in the time between ME1 and ME2 (2 years)

[seph22]

Prince Keldar wrote...

I have seen topics like this and this is the first time I am posting. What I think is that they wanted to use the Citadel Relay because they knew that the Citadel is where the galactic government is. They want to knock out the leadership in one swift attack.  Also, the Citadel has become the center of the galaxy.  Everyone is truly connected to everyone else through the Citadel.

Remember what Vigil said on Ilos. He said something like by the time they realized what was happening the government was destroyed and they lost contact with everyone else. That is why the reapers wanted to use the Citadel. But now that they failed with Sovereign and with the Collectors, their only option is to attack like what we see at the end of ME2.

The reason they didn't do this from the very beginning is because it will also give all other races a heads up and this time they will be able to fight back. And that is not what the Reapers want.

Thats my belief anyway.

Good post, i'll have to look more into vigil sayings because my memory is a bit dusty i guess

Modifié par seph22, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:23 .

[Vaenier]

seph22 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

The plan to build a second Reaper and retake the Citadel would've taken less time then flying through dark space to get to the milky way. Aside from that, we weren't really the big wrench in the plan of the Reapers in ME1, the Protheans were. Therefore they likely just assumed it was luck, a fluke and wouldn't happen if a second Reaper was built because they are "all powerful" and all that.

In ME2, their slave race was destroyed. They lost the Collector base and they likely didn't have a third plan in place because honestly, Saren was a fluke and an outcome they hadn't calculated for, the Protheans plan, stopped them from just jumping over. They had no other choice now, they needed to start moving towards the Milky Way and take matters into their own hands.

How many years does it take to travel from dark space to the earth? because after the base events harinbger said the reapers now will have to use another method then all of sudden all the reapers are advancing to the galaxy they were never traped or stopped it seems, unless ME3 events are years after ME2 why didn't the reapers advance to earth in the time between ME1 and ME2 (2 years)

They are 50,000 light years away. Their FTL would take decades to reach the galaxy best case senario. Not to mention it is established that FTL requires fuel to maintain their speeds. sublight would take 50,000 years to reach the galaxy. It is extremely unlikely they will arrive by flying in.

[Siansonea]

Did the OP even play ME1?



The Reapers method has always been to have the mass relays and the Citadel as very cleverly concealed traps. The technology is designed so that the sapient species' tech develops along certain lines, and the Citadel is an irresistible location for a galactic government or at least information nexus. The Reapers sole sleeper agent, Sovereign, woke up on schedule and started the process of opening the Citadel Relay by indoctrinating sentient thralls and the Heretic geth. Sovereign's plan almost worked, had it not been for a group of long-dead Prothean scientists and the actions of Commander Shepard, the galaxy would be in the midst of the next Reaper invasion. The Collectors were a hastily-devised Plan B, clearly Harbinger is controlling them remotely. Personally, I think the Reapers are awfully stupid to have only one mass relay into and out of the Milky Way.



Makes you wonder, are the Reapers also doing the same thing to the Andromeda and Triangulum Galaxies, or the Magellanic Cloud dwarf galaxies?

[seph22]

Siansonea II wrote...

Did the OP even play ME1?

The Reapers method has always been to have the mass relays and the Citadel as very cleverly concealed traps. The technology is designed so that the sapient species' tech develops along certain lines, and the Citadel is an irresistible location for a galactic government or at least information nexus. The Reapers sole sleeper agent, Sovereign, woke up on schedule and started the process of opening the Citadel Relay by indoctrinating sentient thralls and the Heretic geth. Sovereign's plan almost worked, had it not been for a group of long-dead Prothean scientists and the actions of Commander Shepard, the galaxy would be in the midst of the next Reaper invasion. The Collectors were a hastily-devised Plan B, clearly Harbinger is controlling them remotely. Personally, I think the Reapers are awfully stupid to have only one mass relay into and out of the Milky Way.

Makes you wonder, are the Reapers also doing the same thing to the Andromeda and Triangulum Galaxies, or the Magellanic Cloud dwarf galaxies?

Did you even read the OP?
I have already mentioned what you just said

the question is not what happened in ME1 or ME2 (we already knows that) the question is howcome all of sudden they decided to advance to the galaxy right after the base events when all of their plans have failed, and people are saying they need Centries to travel to our galaxy without the Ctidal relay, I'm sure ME3 events wont be Centries after the events of ME2, if they were able to just travel to earth anytime the story of ME1 specially seems very silly (the conduct/singal/etc)

Modifié par seph22, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:33 .

[Xzel]

My opinion is that Sovereign was really all the Reapers needed to eliminate beings. The Citadel was obvious how they perform those actions. And maybe even made for ease of access by Reaper ships as it looks like in the cutscenes of the final battle.



Through Sovereigns failure they requested that the Collectors collect humans for creation of a Human Reaper, as shown in the end of Mass Effect 2. Almost like an insult to us, using humans they've captured to combat and eliminate us, figuratively since the Human Reaper technically -is- the humans that were captured.



Through that failure they resorted to all out war, collecting all Reapers for a final attack on Earth, probably to lure Shepherd, although it's sure that Shepherd would go anywhere the Reapers did.



There's one speculation that I have and that is: Where do the Reapers originate from? Could their origination be the final battle in ME3 or is Earth going to be the final battle? We do know that, or through speculation, that Harbinger is the final boss. We just don't know where. Earth is probably only one of many locations under attack. The Reapers so insulted by their failures.



And through watching the end-scene of ME2, the Reapers are -already- at the doorstep of the Milky-Way galaxy. Thousands or tens of thousands of them. Each dot is a Reaper. And presumably the center Reaper is Harbinger. ME3 could take place anytime after the events of ME2, but I'm sure it won't be long after since they have already arrived.

[RAF1940]

It's called buildup.

[Prince Keldar]

Xzel wrote...

My opinion is that Sovereign was really all the Reapers needed to eliminate beings. The Citadel was obvious how they perform those actions. And maybe even made for ease of access by Reaper ships as it looks like in the cutscenes of the final battle.

Through Sovereigns failure they requested that the Collectors collect humans for creation of a Human Reaper, as shown in the end of Mass Effect 2. Almost like an insult to us, using humans they've captured to combat and eliminate us, figuratively since the Human Reaper technically -is- the humans that were captured.

Through that failure they resorted to all out war, collecting all Reapers for a final attack on Earth, probably to lure Shepherd, although it's sure that Shepherd would go anywhere the Reapers did.

There's one speculation that I have and that is: Where do the Reapers originate from? Could their origination be the final battle in ME3 or is Earth going to be the final battle? We do know that, or through speculation, that Harbinger is the final boss. We just don't know where. Earth is probably only one of many locations under attack. The Reapers so insulted by their failures.

And through watching the end-scene of ME2, the Reapers are -already- at the doorstep of the Milky-Way galaxy. Thousands or tens of thousands of them. Each dot is a Reaper. And presumably the center Reaper is Harbinger. ME3 could take place anytime after the events of ME2, but I'm sure it won't be long after since they have already arrived.

But why did Soverign try to activate the Relay????

Vigil told everything.  The Keepers didn't interpret the signal that Soverign sent to them to activate the Citadel Relay.  I think the Prothean Scientists that went through the Conduit changed them (if I remember right).  That meant Soverign had to do it "manually" so to speak.  At the Battle of the Citadel, Sovereign was defeated, so the Reapers had the Collectors build another Reaper.  I am not sure of the reason of that. Maybe they wanted to try again to activate the Relay.

However, they lost the Collectors. I am of the opinion that they do not want to fight an actual war against an enemy that is fighting back.  Maybe they are not as strong as we are led to believe.

[marshalleck]

Because mass effect fields.

[Kristofer1]

All questions will be answered in less then 11 months...

In the meantime

I believe as others have said the reapers dont want a tough fight. They prefer subterfuge. Why attack anywhere but the location of the central government. If you know your small strike force, Sovereign and "heretic" geth, can take out the central government, and all comm any chance at effective counter attacks may be thwarted or prove futile.

In ME2 it appeared the reapers were already on the move from Dark Space, the collectors was another aspect of that plan. I do not believe the collectors were considered the new man effort to bring the rest of the reapers in from dark space. The reapers in dark space would already have been on the move, most likely on the move from the moment sovereign failed. The collectors could be a distraction for the galaxy, also a way to get another reaper on the inside from the "primary" alien race who thwarted previous efforts (humanity).



Therefore I would say the reapers would already be on their way at the end of ME1, so when ME2 starts they have a 2 year head start, now I dont know if anyone knows but for arguments sake ME2 timeline obviously isnt 40 hours. Maybe it is a year process or two year process to accomplish all that we dont for the ME2 storyline. So if what Vaenir said is true about a decade(s) of travel using FTL the reapers may only be 6 years out or more. With their advanced tech I would say that have much more highly advanced FTL and for story telling purposes to make it so Shepard isnt considered "old" I will say it is a max of 6 years between ME2 and ME3.



It is also plausible that the reapers need to travel to a mass relay in dark space from an unspecified location. I say this because if they are as smart as they think they are, it could be discovered that the citadel is a mass relay that leads to some location, and the alien life inhabiting the citadel could theoretically discover the mass relay in dark space. having the reapers sitting in the open in hibernation could be a threat to them. Moving a few light years away from that not a bad idea.



Of course if they arent in proximity to a mass relay in dark space my timeline will be skewed drastically.

[Prince Keldar]

Kristofer1 wrote...



It is also plausible that the reapers need to travel to a mass relay in dark space from an unspecified location. I say this because if they are as smart as they think they are, it could be discovered that the citadel is a mass relay that leads to some location, and the alien life inhabiting the citadel could theoretically discover the mass relay in dark space. having the reapers sitting in the open in hibernation could be a threat to them. Moving a few light years away from that not a bad idea.
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That is true!!!  The Citadel is a Mass Relay so which relay does it connect to???  It can't be within the Milky Way Galaxy so if Shepard, Council, Cerberus, or whoever can discover how to activate it then whose to say they won't go through and attack the reaper base or whatever. (like Omega 4 relay)

I know that is far fetched and it is one of my many wild imaginations but still interesting to think about.

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 12 janvier 2011 - 04:52 .

[seph22]

Prince Keldar wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...



It is also plausible that the reapers need to travel to a mass relay in dark space from an unspecified location. I say this because if they are as smart as they think they are, it could be discovered that the citadel is a mass relay that leads to some location, and the alien life inhabiting the citadel could theoretically discover the mass relay in dark space. having the reapers sitting in the open in hibernation could be a threat to them. Moving a few light years away from that not a bad idea.
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That is true!!!  The Citadel is a Mass Relay so which relay does it connect to???  It can't be within the Milky Way Galaxy so if Shepard, Council, Cerberus, or whoever can discover how to activate it then whose to say they won't go through and attack the reaper base or whatever. (like Omega 4 relay)

I know that is far fetched and it is one of my many wild imaginations but still interesting to think about.

Kristor theory can not be correct though because nothing in the game hinted at that plus harbinger himself CLEARLY said after the collectors base events that they have failed but it's not over and now the reapers WILL take another way (instead of the collectors idea which just failed) if they were already in the move since ME1 Events why they are still in dark space? why claim to use another plan now if that plan was already in use.

About shepard and others using the Ctidal relay that would accomplish nothing, the reapers are already on earth going to dark space to do what exactly? millions already died on earth in ME3 trailer from the reapers yet shepard did not help (it's not like he alone can beat thousands of reapers we all saw what 1 reaper alone did in ME1)

It's the clear that the reapers are very close to the galaxy that even shepard got an intel about them arriving in ME2.

[Selenora]

Lost their way?

[Stensig]

let me just say one thing. Vigil(the prothean VI from ME1) says that reapers are patient. They do not hurry, much as Their vanguard didn't rush to get the citadel relay opened again, but properblly worked on that for decades.

They most likely plan a lot, and wait for the propper situation. And it has most likely also something to do with the reapers not being wakened before the end of ME2, but the collector general where he wakened ,most likely Harbinger. And all the other reapers were most likely "sleeping" too out in darkspace. 

another thing i'd like to know, though. Is; is it only the milkyway the reapers are hitting on? or are they also attacking other galaxies, since they can "live" in darkpace, eventually also travel in darkspace.

[atheelogos]

seph22 wrote...

I have this single and simple question

Why the reapers decided finally to attack and reveal themselves to the entire galaxy in ME3 (ME3 trailer and ME2 ending clearly shows them advanacing to the galaxy) why didn't they do that before in Mass effect 1 or mass effect 2? when you see their masive army of reapers you do look at their plan to use the collectors as pathetic because the reapers are way more stronger than this they don't need to use the collectors, it seems the entire the conduit story fall apart with ME2 Ending.

"Random thoughts"

From what i understood (Correct me if i'm wrong) the reapers never wanted to reveal their identity and remain hidden but since their reaper spy in ME1 died (Sovereigion) and their plan to build a reaper replacment for soverigion failed in ME2 they saw no other option but to declare war and invade as a last resort because civilizations are advancing too fast for the reapers to let them stay alive, we are told that the reapers harvest races during certain times but they never leave a trace by using the mass relays to their advantage etc

But if they are attacking out of despration there seems to be a flaw left..... if they attacked now with sheer force and without a plan (like what they wanted to accomplish in mass effect 1 but failed) the galaxy races will be fully aware of them and will take all their time to advanace their technology and power to build stuff to fight the reapers whenever they return again (if the reapers only attacked earth) so if the reapers are coming to the galaxy now (and they are) they will have to kill everything not just earth, earth might be their first target but they will have to wipe the entire galaxy races and harvest everything for the last time

I really don't see anything that happened in Mass effect 2 that made the reapers say "oh we can finally attack" it's not like they were traped and finally the door get unlocked for them in mass effect 2 or 1 specially with the entire conduit story of mass effect 1.

" you do look at their plan to use
the collectors as pathetic because the reapers are way more stronger
than this they don't need to use the collectors,"

No it wasn't pathetic. They were rebuilding their forces for another run on the Citadel. Remember the virus the Geth heretics were going to use on legion's Geth? That's the army they were going to use and if I had to guess I'd say they were going to use the Human Reaper as the flagship.

Truth be told I don't think the Collectors where going to be used after the completion of the Reaper. Why do I think that? Because no one thinks of the Collectors as a threat except Cerberus and the Council races would never listen to them. So they are the perfect fall back plan. The Reapers could always move through the Collectors and no one would be the wiser.

And again this plan wasn't bad it was actually pretty good seeing as the Citadel fleet got it's butt kicked by just the Geth Heretics in the first. With all the Geth fighting the Council races the Reapers would have won that proxy war.

" the galaxy races will be fully aware of them" Yes I'm sure the realize that but they are left with no futher options. 

"will take all their time to advanace their technology and power to build stuff to fight the reapers whenever they return again" I doubt very much that the Organic races could advance millions of years in the short time that it would take the Reapers to get here, but regardless of that some people are already doing this. Cerberus has the base if you were smart enough to keep it, and Anderson has Paul Grayson's body and is studying it with Kahlee Sanders.

" they will have to kill everything not just earth, earth might be their
first target but they will have to wipe the entire galaxy races and
harvest everything for the last time" Kill everything? How did you get to this conclusion?

Modifié par atheelogos, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[CoolCR]

As above^^

They had a good back up plan With the Heretic geth converting the regular geth and the Collectors Building a new reaper why waist time and energy in FTL back to the Galaxy when you have workable plan to retake the super relay and put the Relay network in lock down esentialy winning the fight before they arrive.

It would be ME1 round 2 but with more geth on there side.

Modifié par CoolCR, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:51 .