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[atheelogos]

seph22 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

They were waiting for their wormhole to develop so they could return in a timely fashion. They were incredibly stupid and only had the Citadel as the way to return. So now they are pulling a backup plan out of their ass, probably halestrom being destabilized by the Heretic Geth to form a wormhole. But that is just a theory. Them being dumb and getting trapped is fact though.

Well that what i just said in my first post and them being trapped but in the end of ME2 it seems that they were not traped at all and once their plan to build a second reaper failed they have advanced asap as if nothing ever stopped them from doing so, it makes the story of ME1/ME2 silly if they can just attack anytime they want without anything blocking their way if that was the case why didn't they do it before instead of all the drama in ME1/ME2.

"why didn't they do it before instead of all the drama in ME1/ME2." Probably because this plan is dangerous. The Reapers don't want to fight a united galaxy. They wanted their first plan to work so they could control the Relay Network. Doing things this way complicates things, but it would seem at this point they have no options left.

[atheelogos]

seph22 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

The plan to build a second Reaper and retake the Citadel would've taken less time then flying through dark space to get to the milky way. Aside from that, we weren't really the big wrench in the plan of the Reapers in ME1, the Protheans were. Therefore they likely just assumed it was luck, a fluke and wouldn't happen if a second Reaper was built because they are "all powerful" and all that.

In ME2, their slave race was destroyed. They lost the Collector base and they likely didn't have a third plan in place because honestly, Saren was a fluke and an outcome they hadn't calculated for, the Protheans plan, stopped them from just jumping over. They had no other choice now, they needed to start moving towards the Milky Way and take matters into their own hands.

How many years does it take to travel from dark space to the earth?
they were never traped or stopped it seems

1. We have no way of knowing how fast they can travel, but its reasonable to assume they can travel pretty damn fast.
2. Why did you assume they were trapped in the first place? They got out there without the Relays once, its only logical to assume they could do it again. If I had to guess I'd say they always had a way back.

Modifié par atheelogos, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:58 .

[atheelogos]

seph22 wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...



It is also plausible that the reapers need to travel to a mass relay in dark space from an unspecified location. I say this because if they are as smart as they think they are, it could be discovered that the citadel is a mass relay that leads to some location, and the alien life inhabiting the citadel could theoretically discover the mass relay in dark space. having the reapers sitting in the open in hibernation could be a threat to them. Moving a few light years away from that not a bad idea.
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That is true!!!  The Citadel is a Mass Relay so which relay does it connect to???  It can't be within the Milky Way Galaxy so if Shepard, Council, Cerberus, or whoever can discover how to activate it then whose to say they won't go through and attack the reaper base or whatever. (like Omega 4 relay)

I know that is far fetched and it is one of my many wild imaginations but still interesting to think about.

It's the clear that the reapers are very close to the galaxy that even shepard got an intel about them arriving in ME2.

not necessarily. I believe they got that info from the collector base.

[BiancoAngelo7]

I love how the OP seems to have forgotten/ not experienced many things that happened in ME1 and ME2.



But what is more enjoyable are all these threads that pop up recently saying basically:



The reapers will/won't win because according to the incomplete picture I have so far thanks to ME1 and ME2 I believe they will/won't win.



Never gets old...

[atheelogos]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I love how the OP seems to have forgotten/ not experienced many things that happened in ME1 and ME2.

But what is more enjoyable are all these threads that pop up recently saying basically:

The reapers will/won't win because according to the incomplete picture I have so far thanks to ME1 and ME2 I believe they will/won't win.

Never gets old...

lol too true

[seph22]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I love how the OP seems to have forgotten/ not experienced many things that happened in ME1 and ME2.

But what is more enjoyable are all these threads that pop up recently saying basically:

The reapers will/won't win because according to the incomplete picture I have so far thanks to ME1 and ME2 I believe they will/won't win.

Never gets old...

You have issues, you are the second person to attack me personally without stating or enlighting us what i actually forgot? i never said as what you claim that the reapers will win or not the entire thread is a theory not a fact so try to separate objectieve and subjective matters, it's a forum where people exhance opinions not "lol you know nothing and i know it all but i wont tell you anything lolz funny thread will come again to read"

Post something useful or just leave the thread.

[James2912]

I think the title of this thread is perfectly reasonable. If it ends up that they just travel across space to Earth and all it takes is a couple of years then I will be highly disappointed in such a gaping plot hole however I think they will get here using some kind of wormhole tech maybe the dark matter sun like somebody mentioned.

[geertmans]

Honestly, I think we have to trust BioWare into making it all look plausible. I think the final shot of ME2 was just to up the stakes. To let us know the threat is becoming more and more real, but I think it didn't mean they'll come here just by floating; as another user said the end shot implies they are about 25,000 to 50,000 light years away from the Galaxy. Combine that with the "we will find another way" quote from Harbinger and I think it is fairly safe to say that they indeed will find another way and that some vague clues for the ultimate answer to how they will achieve that has probably been said already in ME 2. I know this is a video game, and that it is sci-fi, but I highly doubt BioWare will mess with the laws of physics that bad and discard the fact that it should take the Reapers tens of thousands of years to get here by traveling at light speed. That plus the fact that traveling here makes the whole plot of ME1 redundant.

[Bamboozalist]

geertmans wrote...
I highly doubt BioWare will mess with the laws of physics that bad and discard the fact that it should take the Reapers tens of thousands of years to get here by traveling at light speed.t.

1. There is FASTER than light speed in Mass Effect even with out the relays so that's already broken.
2. Flying there qualifies as "another way", especially since their entire plan has always been to use the Citadel ambush and they've NEVER had to change it.
3. Since ME1's ending it's been made clear that the Reapers are "coming" according to Shepard's magical information gathering skills.
4. There is no friction in space, the Reapers could go to full speed for three seconds cut all their power and glide here, there is no such thing as "Trapped in Dark Space"
5. The suprise attack not only knocks out the government and communications but gives them census data and complete control of the relays, it's basically an I win button which is why they're so adamant about using it.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[geertmans]

Bamboozalist wrote...

geertmans wrote...
I highly doubt BioWare will mess with the laws of physics that bad and discard the fact that it should take the Reapers tens of thousands of years to get here by traveling at light speed.t.

1. There is FASTER than light speed in Mass Effect even with out the relays so that's already broken.
2. Flying there qualifies as "another way", especially since their entire plan has always been to use the Citadel ambush and they've NEVER had to change it.
3. Since ME1's ending it's been made clear that the Reapers are "coming" according to Shepard's magical information gathering skills.
4. There is no friction in space, the Reapers could go to full speed for three seconds cut all their power and glide here, there is no such thing as "Trapped in Dark Space"
5. The suprise attack not only knocks out the government and communications but gives them census data and complete control of the relays, it's basically an I win button which is why they're so adamant about using it.

Granted, my knowledge of physics isn't awesome but if they should be 50,000 light years away from us they would have to travel 25,000 times faster than the speed of light to get here in two years, which is impossible because that would make them seriously go back in time wouldn't it? I dunno lol.

[Bamboozalist]

geertmans wrote...

Granted, my knowledge of physics isn't awesome but if they should be 50,000 light years away from us they would have to travel 25,000 times faster than the speed of light to get here in two years, which is impossible because that would make them seriously go back in time wouldn't it? I dunno lol.

I guess the Normandy is going back in time any time you go between star systems with out a mass relay because it's also using FTL travel. Mass Effect breaks physics all the time and when they try to correct it people **** about it because they liked the previous breaking of physics better. Also using a dramatic shot as a real indicatior of the actual distance the Reapers are is pointless because that shot is there for cinematic purpose. It would have no where near the impact if you didn't actually see them decending upon the galaxy.

[amillian]

Travaling back to the milky way using conventional methodes would expend a considerable amount of supplies and would end in a frontal assult. They have to penetrate the relays from the outside in. There will be casulties on the reapers side and missing a planet is probable under these conditions. Instead they compromised in an attempt to stick to the plan, hardly supprisin or illogical.

[geertmans]

Bamboozalist wrote...

geertmans wrote...

Granted, my knowledge of physics isn't awesome but if they should be 50,000 light years away from us they would have to travel 25,000 times faster than the speed of light to get here in two years, which is impossible because that would make them seriously go back in time wouldn't it? I dunno lol.

I guess the Normandy is going back in time any time you go between star systems with out a mass relay because it's also using FTL travel. Mass Effect breaks physics all the time and when they try to correct it people **** about it because they liked the previous breaking of physics better. Also using a dramatic shot as a real indicatior of the actual distance the Reapers are is pointless because that shot is there for cinematic purpose. It would have no where near the impact if you didn't actually see them decending upon the galaxy.

I guess. But it kind of leads back to what I was saying though; the ending shot is there for cinematic purposes, to let the viewer know sh*t is gonna hit the fan one way or another, I don't think it implies they will "hover" to the galaxy. They'll probably really find another trick to get here pretty fast. If not, I would seriously find it dissapointing. If they just fly to the galaxy than why not do this in the first place? You say its the element of surprise but they are doing it now anyway, because their previous plans have failed? Then why not just send a (small group of) Reaper(s) to function as the next Sovereign and wait for a thousand years (for Shepard and any other involved to die) to try and execute the same plan? Imo it would look like very sloppy writing if the Reapers just floated here.

[Exile Isan]

It's also possibly that control of the Citadel also is control of the relay network and why the Reapers have been so desperate to gain control of it. If the Reapers can't use the Citadel to shut down the Mass Relays then when they go organic hunting their prey could just hop from Relay to Relay. This would make wiping out galatic civilization a tad more difficult.
Those Reapers are so lazy.

[Bamboozalist]

geertmans wrote...

If they just fly to the galaxy than why not do this in the first place?

Because the Citadel is an instant win button.

Then why not just send a (small group of) Reaper(s) to function as the next Sovereign and wait for a thousand years (for Shepard and any other involved to die) to try and execute the same plan?

Because in TWO years we managed to basically duplicate their tech and build weapons that can actually do something to the Reapers making their need for the sneak attack even more important. Now imagine a thousand years. It's not just Shepard, the Turian military made the Thanix Cannon.

If the Reapers had a secondary way of getting into the Galaxy, they would have used it the second their plan failed in ME1 or they would be the worst villains in the histroy of villians, even Team Rocket would be more competent than them.

[Prince Keldar]

seph22 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I love how the OP seems to have forgotten/ not experienced many things that happened in ME1 and ME2.

But what is more enjoyable are all these threads that pop up recently saying basically:

The reapers will/won't win because according to the incomplete picture I have so far thanks to ME1 and ME2 I believe they will/won't win.

Never gets old...

You have issues, you are the second person to attack me personally without stating or enlighting us what i actually forgot? i never said as what you claim that the reapers will win or not the entire thread is a theory not a fact so try to separate objectieve and subjective matters, it's a forum where people exhance opinions not "lol you know nothing and i know it all but i wont tell you anything lolz funny thread will come again to read"

Post something useful or just leave the thread.

I agree.  I don't think people realize that it is a game and is fictional.  This is just something fun to think about.  Also, I and the OP (if I remember the OP) had posted about things we do know based on what Vigil said happened and the fact that we know it is a cycle so it will happen again.  Now that Shepard has shown up and challenged the Reapers in their traditional strategy, we are discussing what we "THINK", based on what we do know, about what the Reapers will do in response to Shepard.

Sorry, I have had a long day. lol

[wulf3n]

it would have been cool if the reapers did show up half way through ME2.



Poor Shepard just about to find a way to defeat the reapers, then BAM! reapers drop by to start f*****g s**t up, old squad mates end up dead/missing, the council fleets are scattered with no communication, and planets are getting reaped like crazy. Now thats the dark depressing ending they wanted.

[James2912]

wulf3n wrote...

it would have been cool if the reapers did show up half way through ME2.

Poor Shepard just about to find a way to defeat the reapers, then BAM! reapers drop by to start f*****g s**t up, old squad mates end up dead/missing, the council fleets are scattered with no communication, and planets are getting reaped like crazy. Now thats the dark depressing ending they wanted.

NOW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!!!

[geertmans]

Bamboozalist wrote...

geertmans wrote...

If they just fly to the galaxy than why not do this in the first place?

Because the Citadel is an instant win button.

Then why not just send a (small group of) Reaper(s) to function as the next Sovereign and wait for a thousand years (for Shepard and any other involved to die) to try and execute the same plan?

Because in TWO years we managed to basically duplicate their tech and build weapons that can actually do something to the Reapers making their need for the sneak attack even more important. Now imagine a thousand years. It's not just Shepard, the Turian military made the Thanix Cannon.

If the Reapers had a secondary way of getting into the Galaxy, they would have used it the second their plan failed in ME1 or they would be the worst villains in the histroy of villians, even Team Rocket would be more competent than them.

Who says the secondary plan is not still being executed right now and has been since the end of ME1 ? (assuming simply floating to the galaxy isn't their second plan) The Human-Reaper may have been made for another purpose than simply replacing Sovereign, we don't know that.

[88mphSlayer]

well the plots of both ME1 and ME2 are basically the reapers trying to take the galaxy races by surprise, why they wanted to take the galaxy by surprise so badly in the first game? i guess a killer-blow to the galaxy races, makes things a lot easier when there's no gov't and you have all the information you could ever need for wiping them out



why they wanted to take the galaxy by surprise in the second game by creating human reapers? well i guess to divide and conquer - i mean what better way to demoralize and destroy a galaxy than from within? why they felt human goo would make a great reaper? i guess because we blew up their vanguard in the first game, but i wouldn't be surprised if we learned more why in the 3rd game



why they didn't just invade and conquer all at once given their overwhelming strength? good question i guess, maybe 20/20 hindsight? i don't think Reapers make mistakes though, they just experiment - like a human poking an animal with a stick

[Last Vizard]

Didn't read through all the posts... its 11:50 a.m. and i have night shift... anyway, I think all the other Reapers were hibernating, even though Nazzara failed to activate the citadel he (guys voice) still managed to wake the other Reapers... maybe? thats the only way I see them being able to explain this ^.^



Plus the Reapers ego and lack of imagination (thinking outside the box) has royally messed up their strategies.



Future God Emperor will stop them.

[Rankao]

Well I doubt the reaper invasion is the full force. They likely have to cannibalize each other every so often to make it to the Galaxy. Once they are in the galaxy it will be easy riding. Its likely the Repears will be 10% to 15% of full force when they get to the Milky Way. Enough to conquer the galaxy, but at a cost.

[CroGamer002]

SO we can have a game and trilogy, num nut.

[Bamboozalist]

Rankao wrote...

They likely have to cannibalize each other every so often to make it to the Galaxy. 

Why? Travelling in a straight line for 1 Light Year or 10,000,000 Light Years requires the same amount of energy in space.

[GnawLF]

seph22 wrote...

I have this single and simple question

Why the reapers decided finally to attack and reveal themselves to the entire galaxy in ME3 (ME3 trailer and ME2 ending clearly shows them advanacing to the galaxy) why didn't they do that before in Mass effect 1 or mass effect 2? when you see their masive army of reapers you do look at their plan to use the collectors as pathetic because the reapers are way more stronger than this they don't need to use the collectors, it seems the entire the conduit story fall apart with ME2 Ending.

"Random thoughts"

From what i understood (Correct me if i'm wrong) the reapers never wanted to reveal their identity and remain hidden but since their reaper spy in ME1 died (Sovereigion) and their plan to build a reaper replacment for soverigion failed in ME2 they saw no other option but to declare war and invade as a last resort because civilizations are advancing too fast for the reapers to let them stay alive, we are told that the reapers harvest races during certain times but they never leave a trace by using the mass relays to their advantage etc

But if they are attacking out of despration there seems to be a flaw left..... if they attacked now with sheer force and without a plan (like what they wanted to accomplish in mass effect 1 but failed) the galaxy races will be fully aware of them and will take all their time to advanace their technology and power to build stuff to fight the reapers whenever they return again (if the reapers only attacked earth) so if the reapers are coming to the galaxy now (and they are) they will have to kill everything not just earth, earth might be their first target but they will have to wipe the entire galaxy races and harvest everything for the last time

I really don't see anything that happened in Mass effect 2 that made the reapers say "oh we can finally attack" it's not like they were traped and finally the door get unlocked for them in mass effect 2 or 1 specially with the entire conduit story of mass effect 1.

Too many assumptions in your post. Keep it simple. In ME1 Shepard happened onto a plot by Sovereign to open the Citadel Relay and thus continue the cycle. In ME2 the Reapers through the use of Collectors try to build a human factor Reaper, it does not mean that this Reaper was needed for their invasion of the galaxy. Since Reapers reproduce by "ascending" organic races wouldnt it make sense for them to make a prototype Reaper for a race before commiting for a full scale run?

Everything else is an assumption, it is highly doubtful that the organic civilizations were getting too high tech for the Reapers. Reapers are millions of years old, the current races have been starfaring for only a few centuries. Every race is still highly dependant on Reaper technologies even if they learn of the Reapers it would still take a long period to equal them technologically. It is also assumed that Reapers will take a long time to reach the galaxy, that assumption is based on the FTL travel and the use of Relays. Both technologies left behind by the Reapers, who likely posses more advanced forms of transportation. Also the Reapers show no sympathy toward organic life and once they do begin the invasion they will wipe out all the Citadel races and more, it will just take time.

P.S. Keep in mind that the latest Mass Effect novel has strongly hinted that the Omega station is a Reaper construct, as such it can possibly server as the gateway into the galaxy, a back door.