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[GnawLF]

Bamboozalist wrote...

geertmans wrote...
I highly doubt BioWare will mess with the laws of physics that bad and discard the fact that it should take the Reapers tens of thousands of years to get here by traveling at light speed.t.

1. There is FASTER than light speed in Mass Effect even with out the relays so that's already broken.
2. Flying there qualifies as "another way", especially since their entire plan has always been to use the Citadel ambush and they've NEVER had to change it.
3. Since ME1's ending it's been made clear that the Reapers are "coming" according to Shepard's magical information gathering skills.
4. There is no friction in space, the Reapers could go to full speed for three seconds cut all their power and glide here, there is no such thing as "Trapped in Dark Space"
5. The suprise attack not only knocks out the government and communications but gives them census data and complete control of the relays, it's basically an I win button which is why they're so adamant about using it.

1. Correct
2. Also correct.
3. Shepard magical information skill is his ability to talk to Sovereign. When a million year old sentient spaceship that is 2 kilometers long tell you that "You exist because we allow it and you will perish because we demand it" combined with the 50k year cycle of extinction its pretty safe to assume that "They are coming".
4. Also correct, add into it that fact that Omega station is a Reaper construct or possibly a back door and they might not even have to glide all the way back.
5. Extremely correct, the cycle of extinction is also the cycle of "ascention". It is a method by which Reapers expand their population, as such it is in their benefit to make the method as safe as possible and minimize the casualties.

[GnawLF]

Bamboozalist wrote...

geertmans wrote...

If they just fly to the galaxy than why not do this in the first place?

Because the Citadel is an instant win button.

Then why not just send a (small group of) Reaper(s) to function as the next Sovereign and wait for a thousand years (for Shepard and any other involved to die) to try and execute the same plan?

Because in TWO years we managed to basically duplicate their tech and build weapons that can actually do something to the Reapers making their need for the sneak attack even more important. Now imagine a thousand years. It's not just Shepard, the Turian military made the Thanix Cannon.

If the Reapers had a secondary way of getting into the Galaxy, they would have used it the second their plan failed in ME1 or they would be the worst villains in the histroy of villians, even Team Rocket would be more competent than them.

I would have to disagree with you. In two years the Cerberus and the Turians did manage to pick up some of the tech from Sovereign but to think that it would be useful against the Reapers is an assumption. There is really no data that suggest that Thanix cannons would be useful on a Reaper. They did destroy a Collector cruiser, but that is nothing compared to an actual Reaper. Also, they can have multiple way back to the Galaxy and it would make all the sense no to use it the second Sovereign is destroyed. Remember that we are talking about millions of years old machines, patience is their nature.

Why rush with an invasion if your scout and vanguard is destroyed? Would it not be more prudent to gather information on how and why your scout is dead before proceeding? What if during that info gathering mission you stumble upon a race that can be used for "ascention".  Why rush then? Why not used your agents to create a prototype to see if it will actually work? Even if that fails what would be the point of rushing an invasion? After all the Protheans were way more advanced then all the current organic civilizations and they still fell. Also, the argument that in 1000 years the organic civilizations will gain massive technological information assumes that Reapers are in a state of technological stagnation, that they are not able to have tech advancements of their own in the same span of time.

[Dusty Everman]

First off, my disclaimer: I’m not saying anything specifically about the what Reapers are, what their motivations are, how they work, how they think, or anything else specifically about ME3’s plot or anything open to interpretation in ME1 or ME2. This is a spoiler free post.

That being said, I’d like to share a hypothetical situation that might start some discussion relating to the Mass Effect story line. This isn’t a real parallel, but just food for thought.

Let’s say you and your buddies live in New York. Every year you like to go to L.A. to crash a few parties. You just happen to have a secret teleporter in L.A. that gets you there instantly, and it’s programmed to go off every year. During the year, you and your buddies do your New York-thing. As a back-up plan, you’ve left good ol’ Joey back in L.A. to handle anything unexpected. Poor Joey gets no New York lovin’, but somebody has got to stay, just in case. What a guy!

Then the day comes. Everybody gathers round, waiting for the teleporter to open the door, but crap. It doesn’t go off. The door remains shut. Well, that’s a surprise, but no problem. Joey will get the door back open…. What? Somebody shot Joey? Oooo, that really chaps your hide.

Now you are going to have to DRIVE to L.A.! That takes days, and oh the logistics! Do you take your cars or rent a bus? Which hotels do you stay at? Oh, and the price of gas! And will gramps even survive a road trip cross country? It sure would have been nice to just take that teleporter.

You do have friends in L.A. but you’ve got them on their own project, and they are no Joey! And their project is very important. Nobody had better mess with them, or there will be hell to pay when you finally get to L.A.

Modifié par Dusty Everman, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:59 .

[RVallant]

Do reapers even need fuel? hmm.

[seph22]

RVallant wrote...


Do reapers even need fuel? hmm.

Yes, They need human/races every 50.000 Years but not sure if it's as fuel or something else
We knows that they "need" that attack every 50.000 Years and been doing it for millions of years.

[kalebmcc]

 "Why are they coming now?"

Why now?

Why not 60 years ago? Why not 100? Why not 500? Why not in the future? Why ever?

That's just the way narratives work. Things happen at certain times.

[RVallant]

seph22 wrote...

RVallant wrote...


Do reapers even need fuel? hmm.

Yes, They need human/races every 50.000 Years but not sure if it's as fuel or something else
We knows that they "need" that attack every 50.000 Years and been doing it for millions of years.

Yes, though I meant for space-travel. Thinking about it, we never do see Sovereign "refuel" in the sense we'd think our own ships would... Since they're something completely different to what we know of it's a question mark for me. Unless it's explained in ME2 (haven't quite finished that yet).

[hawat333]

Because the trilogy is about the Reapers as a galatic threat and Shepard fighting against them.

If they had completely revealed themselves, there wouldn't be an enormous, frightening enemy left for ME3.

It's like Sauron and his armies in the LotR trilogy. We get glimpses, agents of him, but he is only fully relvealed in the last part of the story.