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[didymos1120]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
The only time I physically saw a prothean in the vision was in ME2 when you get the pyramid beacon from mercs holding it for ransom or something, anyway Shep interfaces with it and there for a split second you see a collector/prothean begging on his/her knees and what appears to be from a reaper indoctrinated POV as they’re attacking them. At no time in ME did a prothean/collector show up just vague machine references so she could always link this back to you saw something on the geth and so the council's side that shep mistook it all would still stand.
 

All that stuff, excepting the Collectors, is straight out of the ME1 vision and the Collectors are literally just pasted on top of the protheans:



The main difference is the one in ME2 is cropped and enlarged for last few seconds, and the color balance is a bit different (a touch more yellow, a bit less red).  There are actually a number of quick flashes of protheans in ME1. They're just very, very quick. If you're on the PC, you can download RAD Video Tools, and play the vision movie at a much lower framerate.  Also, the reaper I was referring to is at the very end of the full-length version of the vision, when you see one flying towards the camera:

[Stensig]

could be against some kind of law maybe? and yes i also think it is kinda inappropriate.

[Aimi]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

She’s probably scared on what she’ll find also she’s probably scared she’ll suddenly want in his pants once it’s all done. What? It worked with Liara and Shaira didn’t it? Or maybe once they hit Matriarch they can no longer meld with people it just stops working.

Who wants to sex Mutombo - er, Shepard? 

[JRCHOharry]

Wouldn't she need a ton of prothean knowledge in order to understand the visions anyway?

Liara only made sense of them because she is a prothean expert.

[PsychoWARD23]

InvincibleHero wrote...

It is made abundantly clear when Liara does it that there is some risk to allowing it to occur. If the first human spectre gets lobotomized by an Asari might the Alliance dfigure politics and come to war with them? Maybe. You trust Liara, but an Asari councillor that doesn't believe you not so much.

But if it could help you save the galaxy...

[PsychoWARD23]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Wouldn't she need a ton of prothean knowledge in order to understand the visions anyway?
Liara only made sense of them because she is a prothean expert.

Best argument I've seen so far.

[PsychoWARD23]

didymos1120 wrote...

Why would she have found them convincing? She believed Shep saw what she/he saw, but disputed the accuracy and validity. For all she knew, Shep had just discovered the direct neural interface equivalent of a Prothean disaster movie and mistook it for a genuine historical record.  Experiencing it for herself would not have made a whit of difference as to the authenticity question.

Scratch that last point, THIS makes the most sense.

[Big I]

didymos1120 wrote...

Why would she have found them convincing? She believed Shep saw what she/he saw, but disputed the accuracy and validity. For all she knew, Shep had just discovered the direct neural interface equivalent of a Prothean disaster movie and mistook it for a genuine historical record.  Experiencing it for herself would not have made a whit of difference as to the authenticity question.

My impression from ME and ME2 was that they the dispute the existence of the visions at all, putting them down to Shepard just being crazy or having an adverse reaction to the beacons. At least "mind melding" would prove they're actually prothean in origin.


Regardless, there is a lot of other evidence that is ignored by the Council:

1) Legion telling them the geth didn't make Sovereign (the first documented peaceful geth contact in galactic history)

2) The Cipher lets Shepard understand the Prothean language, goes towards the persuasiveness of his interpretation of the visions (and the visions being real).

3) Indoctrination, if the geth created Sovereign they must have invented indoctrination, but then why don't they include that capability on their other vessels?

4) Chorban's keeper scans.

5) The testimony of Rana Thanoptis, Shiala, and the sane salarian you can rescue on Virmire.


Basically they're idiots. At the very least there is enough evidence to say the geth didn't make Sovereign.

[Tombstone5150]

Ive got a theory also... bit closed minded but hey... the council doesnt even let you near them for the most part they are snobs... maybe she thinks she is "too good" to let a mere lowly grunt... much less a human grunt come into contact or even worse link up minds with her.

[Dark_Caduceus]

didymos1120 wrote...

Why would she have found them convincing? She believed Shep saw what she/he saw, but disputed the accuracy and validity. For all she knew, Shep had just discovered the direct neural interface equivalent of a Prothean disaster movie and mistook it for a genuine historical record.  Experiencing it for herself would not have made a whit of difference as to the authenticity question.

[Jarek_Cousland]

I'd "embrace eternity" with the Asari Counciler .



Then kick the Turian one in the Ridge-sack and tell the Salarian one he has a cool hood.

[James2912]

since all of this IS speculation maybe she would have completely understood the visions like the other two asari he has done this with and forced the Council to do something about it but nobody thought about it when writing the game and nobody thought about within the game.

[Asari Party]

The "Embrace Eternity" thing was never 100 percent clear to me. In Mass Effect you have Liara do it several times to Shepard and she develops an instant infatuation with him...I kind of assumed it was sexual in nature after I learned about the mind meld thing. Even after Shiala does it and gives you the Cypher, if she's alive in ME2 she'll hit on you. Morinth also says "Embrace Eternity" before she kills you if you try and have sex with her. I'm not entirely sure, but I was always under the impression that it was a sexual act. I don't know...can anybody clarify that at all?

[pprrff]

Maybe the asari councilor figured that the whole 'reaper' thing is some scheme concocted by Shepard to score with her

[STG]

pprrff wrote...

Maybe the asari councilor figured that the whole 'reaper' thing is some scheme concocted by Shepard to score with her

Shepard, you dog.

[Breakdown Boy]

Most likely the other races have claimed this form of communication cannot given as prove in council matters as only the Asari could validate the info, giving them to much power and the ability to manipulate the rest of the council.

[Wulfram]

Asari Party wrote...

The "Embrace Eternity" thing was never 100 percent clear to me. In Mass Effect you have Liara do it several times to Shepard and she develops an instant infatuation with him...I kind of assumed it was sexual in nature after I learned about the mind meld thing. Even after Shiala does it and gives you the Cypher, if she's alive in ME2 she'll hit on you. Morinth also says "Embrace Eternity" before she kills you if you try and have sex with her. I'm not entirely sure, but I was always under the impression that it was a sexual act. I don't know...can anybody clarify that at all?

Liara clearly considers sex something different from what she has previously done with Shepard.

[klossen4]

If it only was sexual then you had sex in front of the crew with liara at meeting room in me1.

[Dean_the_Young]

It could well be the difference between going to third base and going home. Or the difference between heavy petting and penetration.



Undoubtedly it is an... intimate encounter, and while intimacy doesn't necessitate sex, it isn't far from it either.

[Asari Party]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It could well be the difference between going to third base and going home. Or the difference between heavy petting and penetration.

Undoubtedly it is an... intimate encounter, and while intimacy doesn't necessitate sex, it isn't far from it either.

Yeah you have a really good point there.  I always assumed that it was a personal thing among the Asari, whether or not it was sexual, it was in fact intimate in some way...if that's the case then it might be one of the reasons as to why Liara develops an early interest in Shepard.  Well at least that's how I see it...

   I'm all for Shepard and the Asari councilor "Embracing Eternity"  I mean Shepard is pretty much a **** anyways lol.

[Major Truth]

StarcloudSWG wrote...
 Because what Shiala and Shepard did was clearly not as sensual or as involved as Shepard and Liara's scene in the cabin.

Not true in my playthrough. In my save Shiala violated my Fem Shep causing her to become permiscuous and overly flirtatious with all around her.

As a result she has become known as the "Normandy Bike", has severe self esteem issues, and has developed a drink problem. The day she let Jacob have his way with her she cried herself to sleep

[In Exile]

A more interesting question is why don't they brainscan the other parts of Shepard's memory. The best proof for the repears is robo-Saren. Kind of hard to deny his corpse comign to life, exploding and then screaming "I am Sovereign!"

[Asari Party]

In Exile wrote...

A more interesting question is why don't they brainscan the other parts of Shepard's memory. The best proof for the repears is robo-Saren. Kind of hard to deny his corpse comign to life, exploding and then screaming "I am Sovereign!"

No kidding right?  I found it odd how that never crosses their minds.  Then again...the turian councilor would dismiss the evidence and it would be willed out of existence.  He'd do his fancy air quotes and go "Ah yes 'Sovereign,'  We have dismissed that claim"

[Asari Party]

 

 

That about sums it up I guess...

[Destroy Raiden_]

Asari Party wrote...

In Exile wrote...

A more interesting question is why don't they brainscan the other parts of Shepard's memory. The best proof for the repears is robo-Saren. Kind of hard to deny his corpse comign to life, exploding and then screaming "I am Sovereign!"

No kidding right?  I found it odd how that never crosses their minds.  Then again...the turian councilor would dismiss the evidence and it would be willed out of existence.  He'd do his fancy air quotes and go "Ah yes 'Sovereign,'  We have dismissed that claim"

But this is the Citadel don’t they have camera’s everywhere? I think one could’ve shot that scene where Saren turns robo and goes insane? Maybe Thane and Kasumi can track down that tape and give it Citadel news by “accident”.