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[Asheer_Khan]

RiouHotaru wrote...

This is most certainly a Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri reference.

Or someone in Bioware just finished Civ V .

Maybe this colonization starship was lauched before finding that "box of doom" on Mars (which shifted human space exploration to completely different level) but from unknown reasons they might lost contact with them and because of that declared them as MiA and in course of century any data about that mission could get erased as fail project.

That could be really interesting game plot IF will be handled very carefully because if that colony lived entire time in complete isolation from mass powered galaxy that could mean (unless they are some kind of space Amish which rejected all techs) completely unknown for Reapers weapons technology for example (developed in order to survive in hostile enviroment:huh: (mind worms anyone?... those things appeared out of nowhere giving me sometimes really hard time to defend )) .

[Dean_the_Young]

...yes, Khan. Because technology over a hundred years behind the current galactic is going to take the Reapers by surprise!



Remember everyone, the best way to fight technological superiority is to be even more primitive!

[JRCHOharry]

Oh my god! They're here. Quickly everyone, grab your sticks and stones!

[Asheer_Khan]

US in Vietnam poses every possible super techs for that period of time and they still get thier rears kicked very painfully by Vietcong... and i seriously don't believe that you can survived on A.C having only "stick and stones" at your disposal.

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

US in Vietnam poses every possible super techs for that period of time and they still get thier rears kicked very painfully by Vietcong... and i seriously don't believe that you can survived on A.C having only "stick and stones" at your disposal.

When you have enough bodies? Yes. You can do just that.

The US got it's rear kicked in the sense that it never lost a major battle, killed far more Vietcong than casualties it took, suffered a highly disproportionate number of its casualties to traps than to open combat, wiped out the Vietcong to the point that by the point of the pullout North Vietnam was sending in regulars for lack of Vietcong to field, and for political reasons left North Vietnam unhindered other than bombings and more or less clear to continue supplying the Vietcong.

It was, in short, a war lost for political reasons and a pullout, not a military defeat and eviction. And that was in a war in which the tech difference was nowhere near as pronounced as even between pre-mars and post-mars ME Humanity. In the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese fielded MIGs, the most advanced and concentrated air defense network in the world, and could arm the Vietcong with contemporary weapons (AK assault rifles, grenades).

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:17 .

[somecthemes]

The US was struggling against a enemy with relatively similar technologies, while any person on this lost colony wouldn't have any reference for biotics, shields, or supercompressed alloys. What how would the colony stand against a soldier with regenerating shields, medigel aid, and a Cain nuke launcher on his shoulder. The vietcong at least understood the principles of the flame throwers and gatling guns mounted on helicopters, but the colonist wouldn't have any clue. They'd just see a guy with bullets bouncing off before they even hit, and warps or singularities curving around corners seeming to seek people out.

[Stupidus]

01/14/2186

January 14th, 2011



An effort is underway today in the Alpha Centauri system as Alliance specialists work to establish contact with a lost colony of early human explorers who took an asari scientist prisoner. Mission Commander Jon Hayes said: “As near as we can tell, these people slipped through the cracks. They were considered missing when communication was lost with their ship after they left in 2075 and fell off the radar, so to speak. It’s entirely possible they have no idea what’s happened in the galaxy for the last 110 years. We’re treating it as a first contact situation.” Accompanying the military will be experts from a variety of fields, including sociologists, anthropologists, linguists, psychologists, geneticists, and a host of supporting medical personnel. One anthropologist commented “It reminds me of those 19th century explorers who discovered tribes deep in the Amazon rainforest. The natives had no idea the wider world existed.”

[Praetor Knight]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

US in Vietnam poses every possible super techs for that period of time and they still get thier rears kicked very painfully by Vietcong... and i seriously don't believe that you can survived on A.C having only "stick and stones" at your disposal.

When you have enough bodies? Yes. You can do just that.

The US got it's rear kicked in the sense that it never lost a major battle, killed far more Vietcong than casualties it took, suffered a highly disproportionate number of its casualties to traps than to open combat, wiped out the Vietcong to the point that by the point of the pullout North Vietnam was sending in regulars for lack of Vietcong to field, and for political reasons left North Vietnam unhindered other than bombings and more or less clear to continue supplying the Vietcong.

It was, in short, a war lost for political reasons and a pullout, not a military defeat and eviction. And that was in a war in which the tech difference was nowhere near as pronounced as even between pre-mars and post-mars ME Humanity. In the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese fielded MIGs, the most advanced and concentrated air defense network in the world, and could arm the Vietcong with contemporary weapons (AK assault rifles, grenades).

I just want to add that the Bean Counters in Washington were outsmarted, and that the American media did not know what was going on, and reported whatever they saw, with no context whatsoever.

A lot went on over there before the Americans stepped into that situation and then the soldiers were failed by their superiors as that war dragged on.

So, losing had nothing to do with the soldiers who had to fight over there IMHO.

[Dean_the_Young]

somecthemes wrote...

The US was struggling against a enemy with relatively similar technologies, while any person on this lost colony wouldn't have any reference for biotics, shields, or supercompressed alloys. What how would the colony stand against a soldier with regenerating shields, medigel aid, and a Cain nuke launcher on his shoulder. The vietcong at least understood the principles of the flame throwers and gatling guns mounted on helicopters, but the colonist wouldn't have any clue. They'd just see a guy with bullets bouncing off before they even hit, and warps or singularities curving around corners seeming to seek people out.

The Vietnames also had two nuclear-armed superpower backers shipping them aid, weapons, and working to limit American maneuverability in its options.

In the metaphor in which the colony is the Vietcong, the colony has no such supply of weapons, equipment, or political backing.


In the metaphor in which we are North Vietnam and the Reapers are the US, there is no Soviet Union or China for us to rely upon to give us better weapons or force the Reapers to restrain from directly invading us.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:33 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

somecthemes wrote...

The US was struggling against a enemy with relatively similar technologies, while any person on this lost colony wouldn't have any reference for biotics, shields, or supercompressed alloys. What how would the colony stand against a soldier with regenerating shields, medigel aid, and a Cain nuke launcher on his shoulder. The vietcong at least understood the principles of the flame throwers and gatling guns mounted on helicopters, but the colonist wouldn't have any clue. They'd just see a guy with bullets bouncing off before they even hit, and warps or singularities curving around corners seeming to seek people out.

The Vietnames also had two nuclear-armed superpower backers shipping them aid, weapons, and working to limit American maneuverability in its options.

In the metaphor in which the colony is the Vietcong, the colony has no such supply of weapons, equipment, or political backing.

In the metaphor in which we are North Vietnam and the Reapers are the US, there is no Soviet Union or China for us to rely upon to give us better weapons or force the Reapers to restrain from directly invading us.

One minor historical correction: China did not support Vietnam, because Mao had very low opinion of Khruschev & Ho. To him, they weren't true communists. But the USSR was pretty much enough to deter Nixon from H-bombing the North. And there were Russians who received combat decorations for the Vietnam war.

[Spartas Husky]

THis is the reason Bioware or whoever is in charge SHOULD NOT STOP CERBERUS DAILY news.



Is fun is entertaining. WTF would they stop writing them little stories.

[Naughty Bear]

The British were the superior military force, America was our ****.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:15 .

[patocerda]

Crazy hipothesis I just thought about: What if this was the base for the upcoming DLC?

I'm thinking of something like playing as the VS, investigating the colony guys, maybe they-re indoctrinated? I dunno.

[Lvl20DM]

I will miss CDN, I actually make a point to check up on it every week or so even when I'm not playing ME2. Integrating it with the release of DLC and ME3 is a great move, imo. While I'm curious which story threads will crop back up in ME3, I really appreciate the impact this has on expanding the ME universe.

More on point, I get the impression that these colonists were the same ones that originally signed up for the expedition. It think it would be interesting if they had only been up and moving for a few months or years. The last 110 years have seen massive changes for humanity. They'll certainly benefit from recent technological improvements, and the colony could be modernized in a matter of months, I would think.

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
One minor historical correction: China did not support Vietnam, because Mao had very low opinion of Khruschev & Ho. To him, they weren't true communists. But the USSR was pretty much enough to deter Nixon from H-bombing the North. And there were Russians who received combat decorations for the Vietnam war.

China wasn't a full-hearted supported, and certainly wasn't best friends, but did (at cost) let itself be a major transportation hub for Soviet aid going to Vietnam.

[Destinfire]

The only thing I can imagine these people having is some information they gathered that was lost in-between worlds that most ships pass due to their faster than light travel through the area. Perhaps their slow journey led to an unexpected discovery that could be useful.

[PARAGON87]

Spartas Husky wrote...

THis is the reason Bioware or whoever is in charge SHOULD NOT STOP CERBERUS DAILY news.

Is fun is entertaining. WTF would they stop writing them little stories.

Seconded.  Really these things are the highlight of my day.

[adam_grif]

Also, the technological disparity between the Vietcong and United States was even the other way around in some cases, the AK47 being a superior infantry weapon to what the US were fielding until several years into the conflict when they got something comparable shipped in. The US had a superior air force and artillery, which was definitely more important, but if the Vietcong were all armed with nothing but bolt action rifles, they would have been even less successful than what they were.



We can't really comment on how much of an advantage the Reapers will have because we don't know how far after ME2 / books the invasion takes place in, nor do we really have a great idea of Reaper capabilities other than "they are tough". We certainly don't know how numerous they are.

[xares23x]

this story is really getting interesting

[PnXMarcin1PL]

01/15/2186

January 15th, 2011



The mission to establish contact with a lost human colony from the Manswell Expedition bore mixed results this week. According to Commander Jon Hayes, Alliance ships landed far from the human settlement so as not to exacerbate an already uncertain situation. “We didn’t want a whole armada of ships descending from the sky to spook these people.” Nevertheless, the colonists feared an attack when Alliance personnel approached on foot. “They put up a spirited defense. A few of our people were wounded, and unfortunately they suffered a few casualties as well.” Once the situation was under control, a dialogue with the colonists was opened. “It took some convincing that we were humans from Earth. They suspected an alien plot.” Eventually, an Alliance representative was allowed into their camp to make contact with their leader and check on the condition of their asari prisoner. Details are pending.

[Last Vizard]

I bet its just what they said it was, a privately funded colony mission.

[PARAGON87]

New update:

"More news today out of the Alpha Centauri system, where an Alliance
mission has made contact with a lost colony of human explorers from the
Manswell Expedition of 2070. "To say these people are in a state of
shock would be an understatement," said Commander Jon Hayes. "Nearly 120
years of history has passed them by. When they left Earth, nobody knew
aliens even existed." The colonists' asari prisoner has been released
and is in good condition. "They were understandably spooked by the
asari. Who wouldn't be, seeing a biotic alien for the first time? In
fact, I want to personally thank the asari for her restraint in this
matter. She could have fought her way out, but once she understood the
situation these people were in, she was patient and let the Alliance
resolve the situation." Sociologists are now working with the colonists
to decide the best course of action for the future."

I hope the next update brings a name to this planet, and tells of more details about this lost colony.  Also, whether or not they're civilized (meaning living in self-made buildings, or caves), did they develop technology on their own?  Did they try to contact Earth?

Really I hope this story is elaborated soon, really so much more details about Alpha Centauri and their  journey needs to be told. 

[praetor_alpha]

“Some closure today in the case of the lost colonists of the Manswell
Expedition: after educating the colonists on the state of galactic
affairs, Alliance personnel asked the group where they wished to live.
Nearly half of them voted to stay on the planet, with one of them saying
"Everything has changed so much that I don't see how I could ever go
back. Mass relays? The Citadel? Robot wars? I wouldn't know what to make
of any of that. I feel like a caveman seeing New York for the first
time." Others were eager to rejoin galactic life. "I just discovered one
of my descendents is still alive," another colonist explained. "How
weird will that be, going back to see him?" An Alliance sociologist said
they will help the colonists assimilate into modern life if they choose
to return to Earth. "Follow-up interviews and seeing how they adjust
should be fascinating," she said.


Wow. "Sorry son, for going off like that for over a century, how's things?"

But am I the only one who thinks that if a caveman went to New York the Citadel, he'd easily be enjoying it more than everyone around him?

[James2912]

Wait descendants are these people the original colonists? Which makes them immortal or something? or am I reading this wrong?

[Dionkey]

James2912 wrote...

Wait descendants are these people the original colonists? Which makes them immortal or something? or am I reading this wrong?

Seriously WTF. The descendants on earth would have to be at least 120 years old.