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[Ms .45]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

The Witcher 2 is about the protagonist - which happens to be male. There's also games with female protagonists and men don't whine about it.

That's usually because the female protagonist has boobs bigger than her head. 

[Ladybright]

It's pretty important to me, honestly. I play games that feature male protagonists, but it is so, so much more gratifying to me to play as a female character, even if that character is predefined or if the gender is mostly irrelevant to the game. I can add motivations to a character if need be.

Would I buy the game if it featured a strictly male protagonist? Yes. I generally Bioware with female characters. If I can't relate to the protagonist (for whatever reason, not necessarily because of gender), I'd probably be able to relate to one of them. "Bioware legacy" would carry a great deal of weight in my decision. I'd be a little peeved if there weren't good reasons for limiting gender, if only because I've come to expect a choice based on previous Bioware games. Bioware games are usually very inclusive; it's something I admire and something that sets them apart from many other companies.

I'd totally play a Bioware game with a set female protagonist.

Modifié par Ladybright, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:56 .

[JEMEDAOME2]

When I buy a game that give me gender choice I alway play opposite gender of the chacter on the Box art .Origins was different tho played oposite gender for each origin for a example.



A female Human noble



A Male Dwaven commoner



A Male Elf Mage



A Female Dalish



A female Dwarf Noble



And a male city elf



after that it's coin toss city!!

[mesmerizedish]

A set gender destroys what makes it a role-playing game to me, the ability to truly define yourself. Restricting you to being human is bad enough, but I can get over it. Forcing you into boots and a jock-strap takes away the role-playing part of it. Do I play games other than RPGs? Of course I do. But for everything that DAII is trying to be, I couldn't enjoy it were I forced into a male role.

[Cipher266]

Interesting. First I love the fact that Bioware has given females (and males) a choice in the matter. My first, second, and even thrid play throughs are all female *rouge, mage, warrior* then a male one. Now that I think about it I was not going to buy Fable I because of the only male option and skip to Fable II and III *until they were not made on PC* But I like playing as a guy too.

[Tootles FTW]

Gender is rarely an issue for me in non-RPG video games (Bioshock, Dante's Inferno, Monkey Island, etc etc etc) - I'm not creating the character, I'm merely assuming their role in their story. 
RPGs are a different beast altogether.  The character, even if certain aspects are pre-determined (i.e. you ARE "Commander Shepard"/"Hawke"), is supposed to be me to a certain extent.  And, ya know, I have a vagina.  Alpha Protocol and the first Fable game could have been a more enjoyable experience if I had been able to play as my gender, and I find that games that allow me to do so (ME 1&2, DA:O, VtM: Bloodlines, etc.) are the ones that have the most replay value for me.

Romance options also come into play, as my second DA:O run-through was with a male Dalish.  If Zevran hadn't been an m/m option I never would have bothered and simply stuck with playing females.

It's funny you mention The Witcher, as I recently purchased and attempted to play it...only to lose interest three hours in.  If Geralt had been Geraldina, however, who knows if I would have given it more of a chance? 

[Eval]

Its simply how much you feel the need to identify with the character you are playing..

When I really want to dive deep into a game I basically create myself as a character and play the story based on how I would decide if I got to those situations.

Being able to pick your gender is obviously most importynt for romances: in DAO I indeed started having feelings for Alistair while playing and it was a real painful decision to make to convince him marry Anora or sleep with Morrigan....:-)

I see no chance to have the same kind of involvement and dillemmas while romancing female characters as a male..

As much as I loved playing Geralt he always was someone I admired rather than someone I was.

I ususally play males on my 2nd playthroughs, ususally create them very dark and very attractive.

[s0meguy6665]

Ms .45 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

The Witcher 2 is about the protagonist - which happens to be male. There's also games with female protagonists and men don't whine about it.

That's usually because the female protagonist has boobs bigger than her head. 

Thank you for your amazing insight into the male psyche.

[wulfsturm]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Thank you for your amazing insight into the male psyche.

Snarkiness aside it's true enough; sex sells. Everyone knows this, especially when you're a company who is catering to a largely male audience.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:23 .

[s0meguy6665]

wulfsturm wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Thank you for your amazing insight into the male psyche.

Snarkiness aside it's true enough; sex sells. Everyone knows this, especially when you're a company who is catering to a largely male audience.

It's sad how even men have become convinced that they're so simple minded - but they're not. Do you think that everything in videogames besides boobs is made for just the female gamer?

Of course, men don't care about being able to relate to the character they're playing, and they always go for female protagonists when they have the chance, just so that they can stare at her body all the time.

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:38 .

[yuhime]

All the discussion about "The Witcher" is pointless, because it is literary character - whole game is based on specific series of novels.

[wulfsturm]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

It's sad how even men have become convinced that they're so simple minded - but they're not. Do you think that everything in videogames besides boobs is made for just the female gamer?

Of course, men don't care about being able to relate to the character they're playing, and they always go for female protagonists when they have the chance, just so that they can stare at her body all the time.

1. No it's made for it's target audience, odd question.

2. Yes they do, at least I do.

3. No they don't.

4. No

Please try again. <_<

[s0meguy6665]

wulfsturm wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

It's sad how even men have become convinced that they're so simple minded - but they're not. Do you think that everything in videogames besides boobs is made for just the female gamer?

Of course, men don't care about being able to relate to the character they're playing, and they always go for female protagonists when they have the chance, just so that they can stare at her body all the time.

1. No it's made for it's target audience, odd question.

2. Yes they do, at least I do.

3. No they don't.

4. No

Please try again. <_<

Find a dictionary and look up the word "sarcasm".

[wulfsturm]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Find a dictionary and look up the word "sarcasm".

I know exactly what sarcasm means, thank you very much. However, it's kind of hard to figure out when someone is trying to be sarcastic when they don't leave any clues as to the real intention of their post (I.E. a smiley )

Also: Find a dictionary and look up the word "ad hominem."

[HolyAvenger]

To be fair I struggle to think of a game with a female protagonist which isn't fanservice-y. See the new Tomb Raider game for example. Lara Croft's...assets have been scaled back, and the fan backlash is on.

[GodWood]

s0meguy6665 wrote...
It's sad how even men have become convinced that they're so simple minded - but they're not. Do you think that everything in videogames besides boobs is made for just the female gamer?

Of course, men don't care about being able to relate to the character they're playing, and they always go for female protagonists when they have the chance, just so that they can stare at her body all the time.

The point you're trying to make loses it's weight when you say this in another thread.

s0meguy6665 wrote...
I have no interest in Aveline... i wish they put a more feminine woman in her place.

s0meguy6665 wrote...
I just hope i can kill potential companions instead of having to recruit them... If yes then it's bye bye Aveline.

[s0meguy6665]

wulfsturm wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

Find a dictionary and look up the word "sarcasm".

I know exactly what sarcasm means, thank you very much. However, it's kind of hard to figure out when someone is trying to be sarcastic when they don't leave any clues as to the real intention of their post (I.E. a smiley )

Also: Find a dictionary and look up the word "ad hominem."

How about the entire first sentence? And I understand that phrase, unlike you apparently.

[wulfsturm]

s0meguy6665 wrote...
How about the entire first sentence? And I understand that phrase, unlike you apparently.

No, and definetly not. <_<

Lets not derail this thread anymore, shall we?

To be fair I struggle to think of a game with a female protagonist which
isn't fanservice-y. See the new Tomb Raider game for example. Lara
Croft's...assets have been scaled back, and the fan backlash is on.

Exactly, that entire game series was designed as fan service to begin with.

[Milana_Saros]

hangmans tree wrote...

Hi.
It hit me on the TW2 forums that some of the newly arrived individuals (female gender) has written off the game after learning that the it has a fixed, male, gender - you can only play that dude with white hair (lol).

Huh, wait what? The Witcher 2? And female gamers got angry cos' you can't play as female? Have they not played the 1st one? I find that to be a bit amusing tbh.

If the game has a fixed main character from the start, like in the Witcher, I'm not horribly bothered. Witcher for starters has been one of the best games I've played. I don't detest the idea of playing as male.

However when it comes to more traditional RPGs like Dragon Age 2 then not being able to make your very own character, complete with gender choise, would turn me off quite a bit. It has more to do with the principle, not the gameplay itself.

Not including a female PC would be a bit discriminating in a tradiotional RPG considering how many women play these games. And when the female character is involved, there should be a lot of thought put into game events. In many Mass Effect topics in the manner of "What if Ashley was pregnant?" people seem to ignore the fact that many people actually do play FemSheps. How would that roll out for a FemShep? Also, I still have to poke around the idea of having children in DA2. It might be simple to say that "I don't care if it's the male Hawke LI or female Hawke herself who haves the kid". But in the end, it's actually a completely different matter. The reason for this should be somewhat obvious.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that the gender does matter, a lot. It's not just about choosing a different symbol and different kind of body and face, it has to do with a lot more than that. So when it comes to "open" RPGs like this, yeah it would turn me off quite a bit if the character gender was fixed.

Modifié par Milana_Saros, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:01 .

[s0meguy6665]

wulfsturm wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...
How about the entire first sentence? And I understand that phrase, unlike you apparently.

No, and definetly not. <_<

Lets not derail this thread anymore, shall we?

To be fair I struggle to think of a game with a female protagonist which
isn't fanservice-y. See the new Tomb Raider game for example. Lara
Croft's...assets have been scaled back, and the fan backlash is on.

Exactly, that entire game series was designed as fan service to begin with.

Yes, and absolutely yes. I know for a fact that what I said isn't an ad hominem attack. Let's not derail this thread anymore, shall we?

And that game is an adventure game first, and many other things before what you're implying it is. Why make someone look ugly when you can design them to be as perfect (matter of opinion) as you want?

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:08 .

[s0meguy6665]

edit: nvm

Modifié par s0meguy6665, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:05 .

[hangmans tree]

How about find sarcasmus ad hominem and look up dictionary?

Stop derailng (both of you) the thread, thank you.



Thanks for the insight.



But what about pre-defined female protagonist (I know, not much of'em out there)? Is it the same as creating your own image and identifing with the PC? Or is it still iferior to the latter?

[Korva]

HolyAvenger wrote...

To be fair I struggle to think of a game with a female protagonist which isn't fanservice-y. See the new Tomb Raider game for example. Lara Croft's...assets have been scaled back, and the fan backlash is on.

Exactly. I know that there are (and am glad for) male players who are just as disgusted by the sexist crap that is rammed in our faces as I am, but the fact that there IS lots and lots of sexist crap being rammed in our faces is undeniable.

Also, the point that "men don't complain about games with female characters" is invalid for another reason: men have vastly more choices. Female characters -- actual female characters, not wanking aids, enablers and/or trophies -- are still far too rare in games and elsewhere (not to mention homosexual ones or other "minorities"). Men on the other hand, especially straight white men, never have to worry about not being represented, not being visible, not being catered to. And all that is important. Yes, ideally we should all be able to relate to any character regardless of sex, orientation, skin color, disability, or what have you -- but some people are expected to utilize that ability a lot more than others, and shut up and be happy about it too.

And that, quite frankly, bites big time and I'm tired of it. Gender is VERY important to me to the point of being a deal-breaker, and not just the ability to play a female chatacter, but the (re-)presentation of women in general. That is not to say that if a story about a male character really catches my attention, I can't like and enjoy it, but generally I prefer to save my time and money for things that speak to me more, or more immediately.

This applies mainly to RPGs, because IMO the first defining feature of a roleplaying game is to be able to create one's own character. A predefined character is the hallmark of an adventure game -- again, IMO. So it feels like false advertising when a game claims to be a CRPG and then dumps a (usually straight and white) man in our laps as the protagonist. Some limitations are fine by me; better to have fewer options that are fleshed out more and tied better into the story than to have complete freedom that is essentially meaningless because a Dalish hunter or apostate mage is treated no different from a human noble. But when the very first and biggest limitation is "this is a boys' only club", I get pissed and go somewhere I am not excluded by default.

Modifié par Korva, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[abaris]

Didn't they say, you could chose the gender of your main?



Anyway, I never play a game with a fixed character. Regardless if its male or female. It takes out all the possibilities of role playing and reduces the interest in replaying any given game taking a different path.



So, with all that in mind, I wouldn't buy it with a fixed char.

[Malu Cap]

hangmans tree wrote...

But what about pre-defined female protagonist (I know, not much of'em out there)? Is it the same as creating your own image and identifing with the PC? Or is it still iferior to the latter?

For me, no it's not the same.  Creating a character wherein one projects one's self helps me identify with the character & there's more of an attachment.  I'll take FF13 as an example.  Although you play a lot of characters throughout the game, the protagonist is Lightning, a female (according to the devs)  I don't feel a connection with her as much as I did with my female warden in DA.  That's not to say that I didn't have fun playing FF13, I did.  Just it's not the same experience as DA