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[Eveangaline]

It's not the final decider for me, but it is a big bonus if a game lets me play a woman, and if I'd been on the fence about buying it, it'd definatly get me to.

[Addai]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
But what is this "same" way?

I'm trying to get at something here. My female Warden might consider Alistair giving her a rose a nice gesture. Your female Warden might agree, too. But would they both feel the same way about it? I don't know. Personally I only know how some women react in such situations, and that's on the outside. Individual variety aside, I find it hard to feel or reason like a woman in general. I have more female friends than male ones in real life, close ones I mean, sharing and discussing stuff and everything, but the difference is still there.

I dunno either.  Not all my female Wardens would probably feel the same.  The Dalish chick might panic, for instance, whereas I imagined my elf mage had probably fallen for him in Ostagar and was chomping at the bit.  Women are just people.

If I relate it to writing, I do have to take a shot in the dark about how a man would react and think to different situations.  The obvious stereotype is probably the wrong choice, as is the opposite swing of the pendulum.  I dislike really butch depictions of women as much as the frilly type.  If you respect your character as a person, there's probably no "wrong" choice, though.  I wouldn't overthink it or it's not fun, right?

[maxernst]

Addai67 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
But what is this "same" way?

I'm trying to get at something here. My female Warden might consider Alistair giving her a rose a nice gesture. Your female Warden might agree, too. But would they both feel the same way about it? I don't know. Personally I only know how some women react in such situations, and that's on the outside. Individual variety aside, I find it hard to feel or reason like a woman in general. I have more female friends than male ones in real life, close ones I mean, sharing and discussing stuff and everything, but the difference is still there.

I dunno either.  Not all my female Wardens would probably feel the same.  The Dalish chick might panic, for instance, whereas I imagined my elf mage had probably fallen for him in Ostagar and was chomping at the bit.  Women are just people.

I

Didn't somebody write a fanfic in which the dalish elf warden thought she was supposed to eat it?

[Ortaya Alevli]

Addai67 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
But what is this "same" way?

I'm trying to get at something here. My female Warden might consider Alistair giving her a rose a nice gesture. Your female Warden might agree, too. But would they both feel the same way about it? I don't know. Personally I only know how some women react in such situations, and that's on the outside. Individual variety aside, I find it hard to feel or reason like a woman in general. I have more female friends than male ones in real life, close ones I mean, sharing and discussing stuff and everything, but the difference is still there.

I dunno either.  Not all my female Wardens would probably feel the same.  The Dalish chick might panic, for instance, whereas I imagined my elf mage had probably fallen for him in Ostagar and was chomping at the bit.  Women are just people.

If I relate it to writing, I do have to take a shot in the dark about how a man would react and think to different situations.  The obvious stereotype is probably the wrong choice, as is the opposite swing of the pendulum.  I dislike really butch depictions of women as much as the frilly type.  If you respect your character as a person, there's probably no "wrong" choice, though.  I wouldn't overthink it or it's not fun, right?

Again, I don't mean the individual differences. I'm trying to say that I wouldn't be able to successfully compare your Warden's reasoning to mine and decide whether they feel the same way about it.

"Taking a shot in the dark" pretty much sums it up, yes. I can take an educated guess, sure, but I suppose thinking like a woman is harder when you yourself aren't a woman. Or vice versa.

I think you're right about no wrong choices, and I'm not worrying about it, either - to me, it's more like, "ah, well, I guess I'll just go with the second option this time." No point in torturing myself or anything.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Ironically enough, I had my class on Gender today and we talked about the myth of fixed genders.  Because society makes gender important we in turn follow suit.  That's why I say we should all just go cyborg and swap bodies subject to the nature of our whims.

malu2573 wrote...

For me, no it's not the same.  Creating a character wherein one projects one's self helps me identify with the character & there's more of an attachment.  I'll take FF13 as an example.  Although you play a lot of characters throughout the game, the protagonist is Lightning, a female (according to the devs)  I don't feel a connection with her as much as I did with my female warden in DA.  That's not to say that I didn't have fun playing FF13, I did.  Just it's not the same experience as DA 

See, I felt equal kinship to Lightning and my favorite Warden, my female Dalish.  I guess it depends on the story and the individual.  One thing I will say about Final Fantasy XIII is that the female characters in that game were AMAZING (Fang/Vanille <333) and regardless of what you may think of the gameplay or the story, for once I felt like they were exciting characters.  That being said, I don't mind playing male characters.  My favorite game of all time (well, until I played DA:O) was Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.  But if I have the choice, I'm going to play girls because ladies are awesome!

What I'm looking forward to most about Dragon Age 2 is Marian Hawke and her relationship to her family.  I'm really excited that she will have a potential brother or sister dynamic within her journey and I feel like it's going to be a really rich experience.  She will be the big sister and I'm interested to see if there are nuances that speak to that component though if there isn't, that will be just fine as well!  

[idoless24]

Harder to relate to a character that isn't your gender..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender. Though I've played games as a male before and its fine..would just prefer the option.

[Ortaya Alevli]

idoless24 wrote...

..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender.

I...ahh...

[Thiefy]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
But what is this "same" way?

I'm trying to get at something here. My female Warden might consider Alistair giving her a rose a nice gesture. Your female Warden might agree, too. But would they both feel the same way about it? I don't know. Personally I only know how some women react in such situations, and that's on the outside. Individual variety aside, I find it hard to feel or reason like a woman in general. I have more female friends than male ones in real life, close ones I mean, sharing and discussing stuff and everything, but the difference is still there.

I dunno either.  Not all my female Wardens would probably feel the same.  The Dalish chick might panic, for instance, whereas I imagined my elf mage had probably fallen for him in Ostagar and was chomping at the bit.  Women are just people.

If I relate it to writing, I do have to take a shot in the dark about how a man would react and think to different situations.  The obvious stereotype is probably the wrong choice, as is the opposite swing of the pendulum.  I dislike really butch depictions of women as much as the frilly type.  If you respect your character as a person, there's probably no "wrong" choice, though.  I wouldn't overthink it or it's not fun, right?

Again, I don't mean the individual differences. I'm trying to say that I wouldn't be able to successfully compare your Warden's reasoning to mine and decide whether they feel the same way about it.

"Taking a shot in the dark" pretty much sums it up, yes. I can take an educated guess, sure, but I suppose thinking like a woman is harder when you yourself aren't a woman. Or vice versa.

I think you're right about no wrong choices, and I'm not worrying about it, either - to me, it's more like, "ah, well, I guess I'll just go with the second option this time." No point in torturing myself or anything.

Just gender swap in that scenario. Giving a rose or flowers to a lady is the evuivalent of a lady making a home made meal or pinic and offering it to her chosen man. So, if you had a cute, goofy blond offering you a home made sandwhich or something, how would you/your warden feel?

Likewaise, Leli saying "sooo, you and alistair?" would be like a guy coming up to you and saying "hey, I heard about you and that cute little blond... *wink* *nudge* *wink*" at which point, cue the angry blond saying "hey! you guys aren't talking about me are you!? *pout*"

[maxernst]

idoless24 wrote...

Harder to relate to a character that isn't your gender..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender. Though I've played games as a male before and its fine..would just prefer the option.

I assume you haven't played The Witcher. Geralt is a very specific person, not just "a male".  They'd have to create an entirely different female character with different dialogue options for almost every conversation to allow the game to be played with a female, or a gay male, or even a straight male with a significantly different personality.  The game isn't designed to allow you to project a character concept onto the protagonist.

[idoless24]

maxernst wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

Harder to relate to a character that isn't your gender..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender. Though I've played games as a male before and its fine..would just prefer the option.

I assume you haven't played The Witcher. Geralt is a very specific person, not just "a male".  They'd have to create an entirely different female character with different dialogue options for almost every conversation to allow the game to be played with a female, or a gay male, or even a straight male with a significantly different personality.  The game isn't designed to allow you to project a character concept onto the protagonist.

I have not played the Witcher, though I did consider it but ultimately did not purchase it. Male protagonists have not stopped me from gaming before as I've said but its incredibly awesome for Bioware to include those that wish to play as females.

[AlanC9]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender.

I...ahh...

Don't. Just.... don't.

[Korva]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
I actually meant to ask why you find it all vapid, but thanks nonetheless.

I simply do. That's not a snarky reply, just the best I can give.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Just gender swap in that scenario. Giving a rose or flowers to a lady is the evuivalent of a lady making a home made meal or pinic and offering it to her chosen man. So, if you had a cute, goofy blond offering you a home made sandwhich or something, how would you/your warden feel?

Likewaise, Leli saying "sooo, you and alistair?" would be like a guy coming up to you and saying "hey, I heard about you and that cute little blond... *wink* *nudge* *wink*" at which point, cue the angry blond saying "hey! you guys aren't talking about me are you!? *pout*"

More or less what I already do. Well, I can decide that my Warden has feelings for Alistair and is happy that he offered her a rose, or that she didn't expect to be misunderstood in such a manner and can't decide how to handle the situation, or whatever, but the depth of characterization ends there. The elaborate characterization and the associated empathic relation I would be able to achieve with a male character isn't present in this situation.

Korva wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...
I actually meant to ask why you find it all vapid, but thanks nonetheless.

I simply do. That's not a snarky reply, just the best I can give.

Ah, that's quite alright. I hadn't read any snark in your post anyhow.

AlanC9 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

..seems lazy of TW2 not to include the female gender.

I...ahh...

Don't. Just.... don't.

Too late. The damage is done.

Modifié par Ortaya Alevli, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:17 .

[Merci357]

idoless24 wrote...

Harder to relate to a character that isn't your gender..

I agree here, but, gender isn't the only thing that helps you relate to a character. It might sound strange, but I just can't relate that well to the typical "buff male" hero - with arms larger then my legs... I'm not muscular like a bodybuilder, far from it - i'm not that tall and quite slim. So, in a way, the female body frame is far, far closer to my own - and I can relate to that better.
This coupled with the fact, that my best friend is female, I feel more comfortable playing female characters. These are of course not all reasons - being able to break with the stereotypical male hero cliche is rewarding as well, among others.

[talon4000]

I like the option to choose your character's gender, because when I play a male character that looks somewhat like me I tend to make choices that I would make in the situation, and it's really difficult to create a separate character to role play, but if I'm playing a female character or a male that looks nothing like me, it's almost like watching a friend go through the adventure, and watching their personality develop, which can often be a more enjoyable playing experience. in both Mass Effect and Fable I've enjoyed playing a female more than playing a male, whether on the good or bad side of morality they seem like an actual character that leaves more lasting memories

[Avilia]

RPG's I definitely prefer a female char. Other kinds of games it doesn't worry me much - particularly if the game's story is about a specific character - Splinter Cell for instance.

I didn't want to play DA:O for a long time because I'd read reviews and had friends talk about the game and as they were males playing males, they said 'he'. I didn't like the idea of RPing the kinds of decisions made with a male char (YMMV of course). I was looking for a game and finally gave in and bought ME2 (then 1 to fill in the story first - a bit out of order but it worked out). Ooh, female Shepard!

Once I'd finished those I wanted to try Origins and lo...yes, I could play as female.

Short version - I won't play RPG's unless I can play a female char - other flavours of game it's not as important to me.

Modifié par Avilia, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:38 .

[7th_Phoenix]

I am a woman, and I'll play as either gender. It's not in my heart as a gamer to deter from a game simply because the main character is the opposite sex I am. Some games nowadays are deep with their plots, characters, and stories, and this is what intrigues me about a game... not really the protagonist's gender. Besides that, I can't really say I could personally connect more to a certain gender even if it were my own -- I find a person's personality and attitude more appealing than their sex.



Personally, a video game (or any kind of other entertainment) is an escape for me. If it means occasionally playing outside of myself to get that joy or amusement, then sure I'll play as a male. All in all, I like both genders so I wouldn't mind if DA2's hero was set only as a male. This is just me though.

[Addai]

Geralt is a sexy beast. It must be said. 

I definitely understand the guys in the forum who play female PCs because they don't want to stare at a man's bum for hours. Works the other way, too. So if I have to play a fixed male protagonist, that's the up side.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:04 .

[7th_Phoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

I definitely understand the guys in the forum who play female PCs because they don't want to stare at a man's bum for hours. Works the other way, too. So if I have to play a fixed male protagonist, that's the up side.

Haha! This put a smile on my face. It's sort of the same for me too. 

[Ryzaki]

Oddly while I'm female I vastly prefer male protagonists. I feel better moving in the skin. (The 2 games where this is an exception is KOTOR and Dragon Age). There are games where I can't even fathom a female PC: (Mass Effect, KOTOR2).

[Liablecocksman]

Ada Wong wrote...

idoless24 wrote...
I have not played the Witcher, though I did consider it but ultimately did not purchase it. Male protagonists have not stopped me from gaming before as I've said but its incredibly awesome for Bioware to include those that wish to play as females.

The Witcher is very good, and TW2 could be one of the greatest RPGs ever. You'd be shooting yourself in the foot not to consider it. The male protagonist makes perfect sense as it is based on a book series with... ahem... a male protagonist called Geralt.

Aww, you didn't catch on to the somewhat embarrassed and certainly resigned sighs of "Don't, just dont"?
You weren't meant to tell the person that The Witcher was based on a bookseries, making it entirely impossible to feature a female main character! It would simply be... Too educating!!

[WingsandRings]

honestly, the Bioware "legacy" for me implies that I will be able to play both genders. I would probably buy a Bioware game ASSUMING I could play female. Playing male only probably wouldn't make me return the game or anything, but I have learned that I'm so used to playing female characters, that when I try to do a male PC playthrough, I sometimes -- seriously, this is lame, but seriously -- get confused and think my PC is one of the people attacking me or something.



Also, it just feels like more options, within-game. Usually, (Jade Empire comes most clearly to mind) there are a few non-romantic quests/dialogues that occur with only one gender. Like that guy in the imperial arena who ignores you if you're male, but sends all sorts of crude but hilarious innuendo your way if you're female. It makes the multiple playthroughs that much more immersive when, above and beyond romances, people react to you differently depending on the gender of your character.

[Thiefy]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Just gender swap in that scenario. Giving a rose or flowers to a lady is the evuivalent of a lady making a home made meal or pinic and offering it to her chosen man. So, if you had a cute, goofy blond offering you a home made sandwhich or something, how would you/your warden feel?

Likewaise, Leli saying "sooo, you and alistair?" would be like a guy coming up to you and saying "hey, I heard about you and that cute little blond... *wink* *nudge* *wink*" at which point, cue the angry blond saying "hey! you guys aren't talking about me are you!? *pout*"

More or less what I already do. Well, I can decide that my Warden has feelings for Alistair and is happy that he offered her a rose, or that she didn't expect to be misunderstood in such a manner and can't decide how to handle the situation, or whatever, but the depth of characterization ends there. The elaborate characterization and the associated empathic relation I would be able to achieve with a male character isn't present in this situation.

Ah I see. Personally, I've never had the problem role playing as a guy in RPGs but I've had the benefit of practise since I was 6. 
It could also be that some guys/girls are more empathic that others so gender doesn't server as a boundary for them.

[idoless24]

Liable****sman wrote...

Ada Wong wrote...

idoless24 wrote...
I have not played the Witcher, though I did consider it but ultimately did not purchase it. Male protagonists have not stopped me from gaming before as I've said but its incredibly awesome for Bioware to include those that wish to play as females.

The Witcher is very good, and TW2 could be one of the greatest RPGs ever. You'd be shooting yourself in the foot not to consider it. The male protagonist makes perfect sense as it is based on a book series with... ahem... a male protagonist called Geralt.

Aww, you didn't catch on to the somewhat embarrassed and certainly resigned sighs of "Don't, just dont"?
You weren't meant to tell the person that The Witcher was based on a bookseries, making it entirely impossible to feature a female main character! It would simply be... Too educating!!

 Never said anything about the Witcher...just said I didn't buy it but okay. Once again, I have no problems playing as a male protagonist but its just really nice tobe given the option unless of course the gender is specific to the story.

Modifié par idoless24, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:42 .