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[Anarya]

Ehh could be interesting, could be cheesy, or lack emotional impact like in the Fable games. Depends how it was implemented. It's not something I'd be clamoring for but I'd be open to the possibility if I heard it was going to be in-game.

[s0meguy6665]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

eh, mother should be around after birth as well....

So should fathers. In any case, hooray for time jumps. If a year passes, or a year and a few months, that's plenty of time--especially since Hawke doesn't leave Kirkwall too often.

Yeah well absent fathers are fantasy gold... that child will grow up to be a new champion or villian )P

Appreciation in your sig needs 2 p's

[Tiax Rules All]

Anna0_o wrote...

The Lesser Evil wrote...

I'm just waiting for someone to come in and start about how every orientation deserves the same kind of recognition, and that if pregnancy is an option, same-sex couples should be given the choice to adopt.

I would /nerdragequit. 

pfff its kind of inevitable

Appreciation in your sig needs 2 p's

wooooops

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:09 .

[Anna0_o]

*Prepares for nerd-rage and/or quit.*

[Yrkoon]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

I'm just waiting for someone to come in and start about how every orientation deserves the same kind of recognition, and that if pregnancy is an option, same-sex couples should be given the choice to adopt.

Well, you do get to take   Merril along on your adventures.  (Ba-dum-Ching!)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[Milana_Saros]

request denied wrote...

Its ok for male Hawke but how will Fem Hawke fight when she is 6 months pregnant ?

This is the excact same question I threw out there and got ridiculed for it.

Well OK obviously there are time skips and my example of this was just a ridiculed thought used to express how completely different matter this would be for FemHawke. Obviously, Bioware wouldn't engage a pregnant FemHawke in battle, thought it was pretty obvious but oh well...

The thing is that a male Hawke can just throw in the seeds and the LI takes care of the rest. The male PC can just hop ladidaa into battle without worrying too much about it. He isn't required to care at all if he chooses to be such a douche.

For a FemHawke...let's see....you carry the baby for 9 months, develop a unique bond to the child before it is even born, you start developing breast milk and eventually you give birth to the baby and need some time to get "back to normal" after. Not to mention that there's now and infant out there who relies on you and your breast milk.

Yes the child can be several years old after a time shift but even so, FemHawke's relationship towards her child would be completely different than MaleHawke's. Have you ever heard the term "mother tiger"? Now I don't have kids nor am I planning to have any anytime soon but I still have the hormones and the insticts. I'm the type of person who deeply cares for the people she loves and I wouldn't hesitate to fight tooth and nail for them if I had to. Now imagine there being a war with raging darkspawn...would you, as FemHawke, feel comfortable about going into battle, ditching your kids to nannies and servants, risking them becoming orphans or the darkspawn flanking and killing your kids while you're out their playing a hero?

Now of course none of this would happen, Bioware would make sure of it, no? Absolutely because stuff like that would cause and outrage. Even giving the PC a choice to behave like a douche towards the kids, no matter the gender, would cause an outrage.

Why?

Because we're talking about kids here. Not pets or tamagotchis or even mini-mes. For the love of God. There are some twisted and sick individuals out there or simply immature people who don't recognize the sickness in their own behavior towards game NPC's. Including kids in games like these would be a huge risk for Bioware. People always find a way to exploit and twist things into someting horrible.

Let's think about Carmageddon for a while. Anyone actually played that? The original pedestrians included grannies and grandpas if I recall correctly. This caused some outrage and some regional versions of the game used zombies with green blood instead. Imagine if there had been women pushing  a stroller? Proof: http://carmageddon.w...wiki/Pedestrian

Another not-so closely linked example: Now imagine if the Adoring Fan was a kid? Would Oblivion have made it into the market withouth having to remove that? I highly doubt it.

There's a reason why kids are rarely involved in games other than as wondering NPC's with fixed interaction possibilites. Long post but I felt like I had to explain my thoughts in this withouth people thinking that I'm some overserious douche who disagrees with the idea just because "I don't like it".

[request denied]

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

[Anna0_o]

request denied wrote...

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

Agreed.
Let's go talk about boys over hot chocolate and marshmallows while braiding each other's hair? 

[Soul Cool]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
How do you all feel about a possibility of seeing pregnancy in BioWare RPGs?

No, thank you.

[AmyBA]

I am really starting to think I am the only female fan of Bioware games who hates the idea of the PCs getting pregnant, having babies, being parents, etc, whatever else.

I don't want to in real life, I don't want to in game. I don't get what is up with the baby obsession these days, its a bit scary...

Modifié par AmyBA, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:21 .

[request denied]

Anna0_o wrote...

request denied wrote...

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

Agreed.
Let's go talk about boys over hot chocolate and marshmallows while braiding each other's hair? 

Yes have you joined Sternchens coffeehouse ?

[Milana_Saros]

request denied wrote...

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

Excactly. Whenever I get a little pissed in WoW and someone goes "Do you have PMS?" I feel like hammering their head in. It's as if we're these hilarious little creatures who just use hormones as an excuse to behave "badly". But that is actually a real, integrated part of our genetic makeup. Can't understand why it's so hard to get sometimes.

[Russalka]

It would be an interesting plotline, but it would be very difficult to not make it rather... lame. If there are full out romance options outside the party, some problems with it may be solved.

[Anna0_o]

AmyBA wrote...


I am really starting to think I am the only female fan of Bioware games who hates the idea of the PCs getting pregnant, having babies, being parents, etc, whatever else.

I don't want to in real life, I don't want to in game. I don't get what is up with the baby obsession these days, its a bit scary...

I for one, dread the thought of having children IRL. Screaming, money-spending little backtalkers, I say!  But for people that would want it in an RPG, like Dragon Age, it's merely another way of adding more 'depth' to optional storyline.

[Yrkoon]

I pretty much agree with most of what you're saying here,  Milana, but let me play devil's advocate:

Milana_Saros wrote...
 Now imagine there being a war with raging darkspawn...would you, as FemHawke, feel comfortable about going into battle, ditching your kids to nannies and servants, risking them becoming orphans or the darkspawn flanking and killing your kids while you're out their playing a hero?

    Not sure how *I'd* feel, since I'm neither a mother nor female, but mothers going off to war  is  not at all unusual.   Approximately 30,000 single   American mothers have been  deployed  to Iraq and Afghanistan  in the last decade.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:27 .

[Saibh]

Milana_Saros wrote...

This is the excact same question I threw out there and got ridiculed for it.

Well OK obviously there are time skips and my example of this was just a ridiculed thought used to express how completely different matter this would be for FemHawke. Obviously, Bioware wouldn't engage a pregnant FemHawke in battle, thought it was pretty obvious but oh well...

The thing is that a male Hawke can just throw in the seeds and the LI takes care of the rest. The male PC can just hop ladidaa into battle without worrying too much about it. He isn't required to care at all if he chooses to be such a douche.

For a FemHawke...let's see....you carry the baby for 9 months, develop a unique bond to the child before it is even born, you start developing breast milk and eventually you give birth to the baby and need some time to get "back to normal" after. Not to mention that there's now and infant out there who relies on you and your breast milk.

Latent sexism. Assuming that a father doesn't need to care. Also assuming that a mother does. Each Hawke is equal in this regard.

Also, wet nurses. If you stop breastfeeding, you can stop producing breast milk pretty fast. It's not that much of an inconvenience.

Yes the child can be several years old after a time shift but even so, FemHawke's relationship towards her child would be completely different than MaleHawke's.

Says who? They'd probably have next to the same dialogue options.

Have you ever heard the term "mother tiger"?

Fathers aren't protective over their children?

Now I don't have kids nor am I planning to have any anytime soon but I still have the hormones and the insticts. I'm the type of person who deeply cares for the people she loves and I wouldn't hesitate to fight tooth and nail for them if I had to.

But this is an obligation for women, and optional for men. Rather an insulting assumption for both gendes.

Now imagine there being a war with raging darkspawn...would you, as FemHawke, feel comfortable about going into battle, ditching your kids to nannies and servants, risking them becoming orphans or the darkspawn flanking and killing your kids while you're out their playing a hero?

Depends on the FemHawke. I imagine it's optional--if yours doesn't, don't give birth. If mine does, she will. Perhaps, the way she sees it, everyone she loves is always in danger (also, no raging wars with darkspawn in this game), but she doesn't cut ties with everyone. She protects them.

Now of course none of this would happen, Bioware would make sure of it, no? Absolutely because stuff like that would cause and outrage. Even giving the PC a choice to behave like a douche towards the kids, no matter the gender, would cause an outrage.

Ignoring your child and being a less-than-stellar parent? I really doubt it was raise that much controversy, provided you don't insult or harm the child, but rather utterly ignore it. Maybe you won't have that option anyway--maybe you need to be nice. I don't know.

Because we're talking about kids here. Not pets or tamagotchis or even mini-mes. For the love of God. There are some twisted and sick individuals out there or simply immature people who don't recognize the sickness in their own behavior towards game NPC's. Including kids in games like these would be a huge risk for Bioware. People always find a way to exploit and twist things into someting horrible.

Risk? There's nothing in the game that BioWare does not include. You can't treat your kid like crap unless they let you.

Also, I think you need to reevaluate your judgment on "twisted and sick" if you think NPC-slaying is that. What I would do in a game is not what I would do in Real Life.

Let's think about Carmageddon for a while. Anyone actually played that? The original pedestrians included grannies and grandpas if I recall correctly. This caused some outrage and some regional versions of the game used zombies with green blood instead. Imagine if there had been women pushing  a stroller? Proof: http://carmageddon.w...wiki/Pedestrian

Then they don't include you being able to kill the kid--actually, they wouldn't anyway. Insta-ban in many countries, like Australia and Germany.

Another not-so closely linked example: Now imagine if the Adoring Fan was a kid? Would Oblivion have made it into the market withouth having to remove that? I highly doubt it.

Well, he's not, and you couldn't do that. Irrelevant. Also, the Ann--Adoring Fan is immortal.

There's a reason why kids are rarely involved in games other than as wondering NPC's with fixed interaction possibilites. Long post but I felt like I had to explain my thoughts in this withouth people thinking that I'm some overserious douche who disagrees with the idea just because "I don't like it".

You can't do anything that developers won't let you. You can't be mean, harm the child, ignore the child, kick the child, kill the child, burn the child, and so on if they don't include that option.

Modifié par Saibh, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:25 .

[GodWood]

AmyBA wrote...
I am really starting to think I am the only female fan of Bioware games who hates the idea of the PCs getting pregnant, having babies, being parents, etc, whatever else.

I don't want to in real life, I don't want to in game. I don't get what is up with the baby obsession these days, its a bit scary...

It'd be optional.
Besides, I personally have no desire to ever have kids in RL but certain characters I'd make for DA2 would be the type to want kids with their LI thus having kids would increase my role-palying enjoyment with those types of characters.

[Miss Greyjoy]

No way. Save it for the epilogue slides.

[Anna0_o]

request denied wrote...

Anna0_o wrote...

request denied wrote...

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

Agreed.
Let's go talk about boys over hot chocolate and marshmallows while braiding each other's hair? 

Yes have you joined Sternchens coffeehouse ?

I...have now. 

[Squeeze the Fish]

As long as it's optional, and not inevitable...I guess. I mean, I personally think there's better ways to develop the story, but whatev.

[GodWood]

xnoxiousx wrote...
They already have it. It was in da1 with morgian.

and Mardy

[AmyBA]

GodWood wrote...

AmyBA wrote...
I am really starting to think I am the only female fan of Bioware games who hates the idea of the PCs getting pregnant, having babies, being parents, etc, whatever else.

I don't want to in real life, I don't want to in game. I don't get what is up with the baby obsession these days, its a bit scary...

It'd be optional.
Besides, I personally have no desire to ever have kids in RL but certain characters I'd make for DA2 would be the type to want kids with their LI thus having kids would increase my role-palying enjoyment with those types of characters.

The problem is, something like that would be hard to make "optional".

Consider a game like Mass Effect, where there are books that mention Shepard. Love interests alone can be changed and be optional, they don't have to be mentioned in stories, they do not carry the same kind of impact, they can remain in the background. But a child? A child has a HUGE impact on that character, from now on and forever. Everything that character does will now have to be done differently, its a very big life and character altering event. Continuity between stories and carrying over decisions changes big time when its between baby or no baby, that characters history and impact on the world is now much larger and longer lasting. I really don't see it as being something they would honestly make optional.


Edit to add: While Morrigan can be considered somewhat an example, you have to consider for one, the PC doesnt raise that kid, or get involved in that kids life really. Morrigan gets pregnant and leaves right away. You also have to consider that they made it VERY clear the wardens story is DONE, it wont be getting picked up or continued.

Modifié par AmyBA, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:34 .

[KLUME777]

I would love it if you could.

[request denied]

Anna0_o wrote...

request denied wrote...

Anna0_o wrote...

request denied wrote...

I think its a girl thing we think differently .

Agreed.
Let's go talk about boys over hot chocolate and marshmallows while braiding each other's hair? 

Yes have you joined Sternchens coffeehouse ?

I...have now. 

Welcome , then now about some thing to drink and braiding each others hair . LOL