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[GodWood]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

[Kidd]

If it wasn't obvious by me starting this thread, or my post later in it, then I'll hop in now saying I'd want pregnancy for female characters, and female NPCs if you're playing a male. Not arbitrarily putting it into all romances though, just a few ones where it might fit. Similar to how every single person in the game isn't bisexual for your convenience.

Milana_Saros wrote...

Yes the child can be several years old after a time shift but even so, FemHawke's relationship towards her child would be completely different than MaleHawke's. Have you ever heard the term "mother tiger"?

I think you underestimate a father's ability to care. My ex-bf became a father early last year, and to sum up a long and tragic story I'll just say he has loved that kid and always cared for it, while the mother is the worst parent I could ever imagine =\\

I don't see why FemHawke would have to have a different kind of bond to her kids than ManHawke would.

AmyBA wrote...

I am really starting to think I am the only female fan of Bioware games who hates the idea of the PCs getting pregnant, having babies, being parents, etc, whatever else.

I don't want to in real life, I don't want to in game. I don't get what is up with the baby obsession these days, its a bit scary...

Obsession? =S I've never even played a game where my character got pregnant at all, and the only game I know of that has it is Fable, which has a horrible reputation of how it's pulled off. But... I guess my thread here might not have been the first of its kind and that's what you're thinking about ^^;

AmyBA wrote...

It still fits with why it makes it hard to make it an optional decsion, the impact on story is rather large, more so than just who you are sleeping with.

You now have future generations and much longer lasting influences from your character in the world. 

Depends what game it's all done in. Yes, including pregnancy in ME1 and ME2 would've been mad hard, but whether Shepard has kids in ME3 or not doesn't have to be of any consequence. BioWare just won't ever go out and mention "Shepard died with no kids" or "This new character's grandma was Commander Shepard". Grissom for instance is an important part of the galactic plotline, but had we not met Kahlee in the Mass Effect books then we would not have known he had children. Same could be said for lots of characters in any race that ever made a difference.

With Dragon Age, every game seems to finish off their characters' stories within the same game. Thus, in a way, every DA game is "ME3-esque" in that you simply never mention any possible children or lack of children in future work.

The Lesser Evil wrote...

This whole pregnancy issue was so much simpler when it involved a Grey Warden, a Witch of the Wilds, a magical ritual, an archdemon and the soul of an old God.

Thanks for the laugh! Now everyone in class thinks I'm a freak who thinks mathematical equations are the funniest thing ever (either that or they're catching on to my slacking in class =S)...
But it was so worth it =D

[Tiax Rules All]

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

To you maybe. but Biowae will not have a shallow pragnancy just to have it and I can tell you that it wont help in telling their story of the champion of Kirkwall. Just think about it long enough as a Bioware a game and not Fable or something and it seems obvious

[GodWood]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

To you maybe. but Biowae will not have a shallow pragnancy just to have it and I can tell you that it wont help in telling their story of the champion of Kirkwall. Just think about it long enough as a Bioware a game and not Fable or something and it seems obvious

I think you missed my point.

[Anna0_o]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

To you maybe. but Biowae will not have a shallow pragnancy just to have it and I can tell you that it wont help in telling their story of the champion of Kirkwall. Just think about it long enough as a Bioware a game and not Fable or something and it seems obvious

Agreed. If they were to do a pregnancy, it would definitely be deep, and not something Fable-esque (Yeah, it's a word now).

[nightcobra]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

To you maybe. but Biowae will not have a shallow pragnancy just to have it and I can tell you that it wont help in telling their story of the champion of Kirkwall. Just think about it long enough as a Bioware a game and not Fable or something and it seems obvious

agreed with your post except just for the bolded part.
i don't know if i can make that judgement as of right now as i have little, if any knowledge of the game's plot other than the main character becoming champion and a few other tidbits.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 12 janvier 2011 - 02:04 .

[Tiax Rules All]

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...
Look I take bets right now... There will be no pregnancy of any kind of Fem Hawke or created by Male Hawk

Why?
The Warden could knock up 2 women in DA:O, it's not that far fetched a concept.

To you maybe. but Biowae will not have a shallow pragnancy just to have it and I can tell you that it wont help in telling their story of the champion of Kirkwall. Just think about it long enough as a Bioware a game and not Fable or something and it seems obvious

I think you missed my point.

oh well if you are commenting and joking between the diff between males and females and the birds and the bees then yes.. I had the same "point" but it just leads us back to sexism talk eventually

[Anna0_o]

Oh God. Please. No.



ANYTHING BUT THE SEXISM RANT.

[drahelvete]

Even if pregnancy is a possibility, don't expect that you'll get to raise/know the child. It will most likely be handled like it was with Aerie and Morrigan (a female Hawke or LI becomes pregnant in the last chapter, the birth of the child is only mentioned in the Epilogue text).

[Tiax Rules All]

drahelvete wrote...

Even if pregnancy is a possibility, don't expect that you'll get to raise/know the child. It will most likely be handled like it was with Aerie and Morrigan (a female Hawke or LI becomes pregnant in the last chapter, the birth of the child is only mentioned in the Epilogue text).

This is the only way it makes any sense to do. All other ways are subject to way too much critisism or would just plain be out of place.

[Arteziya]

How do I feel about pregnancies in games? Either indifferent, or disgusted, depending on implementation.

[drahelvete]

"No, honey, we can't kill the Archdemon tonight. We don't have a sitter."

[Milana_Saros]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Even if pregnancy is a possibility, don't expect that you'll get to raise/know the child. It will most likely be handled like it was with Aerie and Morrigan (a female Hawke or LI becomes pregnant in the last chapter, the birth of the child is only mentioned in the Epilogue text).

This is the only way it makes any sense to do. All other ways are subject to way too much critisism or would just plain be out of place.

Agreed.

But it seems that arguing about this is a waste of time and only results in overserious talk about sexism (which in itself is a reason not to have this feature). I don't think family mini-games should have a place in RPGs like this. And if they do start having them, well, as I said: I'll simply not buy it. End of story for me.

[SarEnyaDor]

As a real life mother with a plethora of children, I dislike the idea intensely.



I expect more from a BioWare game than my Fable games (where I have tons of kids LOL) and if they did it "right" there would be very little fun involved, alot of people up in arms about "sexism" when it is simple biological facts. A pregnant woman simply cannot do things she could do if she were not walking like a penguin, there is a very real toll on a woman's body, and especially in the time period we are dealing with, death is a REAL possibilty in all births.



If they did it right there would have to be consequences and story impacts which would inavriably lead to the choruses of "that's not fair" by various groups wanting a similarly impactful story for their character and more people screaming sexism, or that that's not how they wanted to RP it....



It is better left to the imagination after the credits role.

[nightcobra]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Even if pregnancy is a possibility, don't expect that you'll get to raise/know the child. It will most likely be handled like it was with Aerie and Morrigan (a female Hawke or LI becomes pregnant in the last chapter, the birth of the child is only mentioned in the Epilogue text).

This is the only way it makes any sense to do. All other ways are subject to way too much critisism or would just plain be out of place.

Agreed.

But it seems that arguing about this is a waste of time and only results in overserious talk about sexism (which in itself is a reason not to have this feature). I don't think family mini-games should have a place in RPGs like this. And if they do start having them, well, as I said: I'll simply not buy it. End of story for me.

though no one's talking about having "family mini-games", what i see some of the people wanting here is another perspective to the character of hawke/main character by way of plot points, sideplots, quests and the like to add an interesting spin on our character.

like i said before, i think it's a great idea with lots of potential but execution is key for it's success.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 12 janvier 2011 - 02:40 .

[The Lesser Evil]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

A pregnant woman simply cannot do things she could do if she were not walking like a penguin, there is a very real toll on a woman's body, and especially in the time period we are dealing with, death is a REAL possibilty in all births

Don't take this wrong, but this made me laugh. I just imagined Fem!Hawke struggling through 9 months of pregnancy (without a time skip), only for her to die in child birth, forcing the player to play through all that time again.

I'm a horrible person.

[heretica]

Mmm, I guess they could add a reference to it in one of the epilogues or something like that, but I don't see myself roleplaying this.

[SarEnyaDor]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

A pregnant woman simply cannot do things she could do if she were not walking like a penguin, there is a very real toll on a woman's body, and especially in the time period we are dealing with, death is a REAL possibilty in all births

Don't take this wrong, but this made me laugh. I just imagined Fem!Hawke struggling through 9 months of pregnancy (without a time skip), only for her to die in child birth, forcing the player to play through all that time again.

I'm a horrible person.

LOL, I must be horrible, too, because that made me laugh as well. I actually think that would be GREAT! But, I would have liked to have been able to have the Warden try and pull a Jory and get Duncan's murder-knife and have to start again, too, like if you were foolish enough to try and romance Morinth in ME2.

[Russalka]

Oh goodness, the horror of optional plotlines.

Keep them out of my game, I do not care if some people might enjoy them.

[SarEnyaDor]

Russalka wrote...

Oh goodness, the horror of optional plotlines.
Keep them out of my game, I do not care if some people might enjoy them.

How would it be optional unless they included a Fablesque "Would you like to have protected or unprotected sex" line? Or are they going to play lullabye music if your night in the tent was "successful"?

[nightcobra]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Oh goodness, the horror of optional plotlines.
Keep them out of my game, I do not care if some people might enjoy them.

How would it be optional unless they included a Fablesque "Would you like to have protected or unprotected sex" line? Or are they going to play lullabye music if your night in the tent was "successful"?

how about dialog options with the loved one? nah, that'd be too obvious. 

[VampireCommando]

I wanna play DA2 not the damn sims, but on a serious note I have no idea, i guess I'll just go along with whatever BW does.

[OldMan91]

How would it be optional unless they included a Fablesque "Would you like to have protected or unprotected sex" line? Or are they going to play lullabye music if your night in the tent was "successful"?

If you are successful, it will play like this:

[Herr Uhl]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

How would it be optional unless they included a Fablesque "Would you like to have protected or unprotected sex" line? Or are they going to play lullabye music if your night in the tent was "successful"?

how about dialog options with the loved one? nah, that'd be too obvious. 

The snark here, it fails completely.

SarEnyaDor wrote...

How would it be optional unless they included a Fablesque "Would you like to have protected or unprotected sex" line? Or are they going to play lullabye music if your night in the tent was "successful"?

[SarEnyaDor]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

how about dialog options with the loved one? nah, that'd be too obvious. 

Because talking about wanting kids makes children happen magically, and deciding you don't want children prevents an oops? LOL 

News of the hour: Talking is the new birth control method of choice, Trojan goes out of buisness. In other news, the number of unwanted pregnancies sky rockets, scientists are puzzled.