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[Maria Caliban]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

It just sounds like a really bad idea, both parents adventuring around? What if someone happend to both of you? Who would take care of the baby? If pregnancy IS a option gimme the option to stop adventuring and raise my kid. Being a dad would come first imo.

I think you're coming at this from a rather modern mindset.

No one in Kirkwall can assume they're going to live to see their grandchildren. We know the qunari invade at some point, simple illnesses can be deadly, and violent crime is probably quite higher.

Moreover, the main character is a noble and will soon be Champion of the Kirkwall. Even if you retire from adventuring, you might be murdered for political reasons. Look at what happened in the human noble origin or to Sebastion's family. The political situation in the Free Marches is probably not the most stable.

This wouldn't make most people less likely to have kids. It would make them more likely. You need to pop out an heir as soon as you can and probably several of them because it's unlikely all your kids will make it to adulthood.

As for who will take care of them: Your siblings, your mother, wetnurses and nannies. You'll probably give them a 'godmother/father' as well.

[Herr Uhl]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...
Figured as much. They don't wanna spend budget for something optional so they can rush the game for release.

Riiiight. Couldn't possibly be any other reason.

I think it was because you sacrificed all the player-babies in a pact with chtulhu.

[_Aine_]

I play that game in RL. It comes with it's fair share of strange smells, grey hairs and annoyances, along with all of the ....errr...."joys" lol Child rearing and killing strange things are generally best kept to their own domains Mama can't just leave Billy next door to go and fight the darkspawn ya know.



Just as a note though, I think a new mother would be a kick arse warrior. Anyone dare come NEAR that baby and there will be hell to pay, trust me

[Talon_Wu]

David Gaider wrote...

Okay, to make this short:

Could we do player pregnancy? Sure.

Did we? No. Child-rearing is not one of the adventures you will embark upon.

A thousand blessings upon you.

Leave it open-ended, I say.

[DarthCaine]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Figured as much. They don't wanna spend budget for something optional so they can rush the game for release.

Riiiight. Couldn't possibly be any other reason.

At the end of the day, it's the budget that matters the most. IF you had a lot of budget, you could do many variations for your choices. (here) A child would be optional and a lot of people wouldn't do it, while you'd have a make a major NPC with lots of dialogue, several different apperiances etc.

But with DA2 being released so quickly and with so many things cut (you said it yourself in an interview about why no multiple origins), it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap (unlike DAO)

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 janvier 2011 - 05:59 .

[Dave of Canada]

DarthCaine wrote...

But with DA2 being released so quickly and with so many things cut (you said it yourself in an interview about why no multiple origins), it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap (unlike DAO)

Wanting to believe that does not make it so.

Many games have one or so year dev cycles and aren't "quick and cheap", hell the holy grail on these forums (Baldur's Gate 2) had that cycle.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:02 .

[DarthCaine]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Many games have one or so year dev cycles and aren't "quick and cheap", hell the holy grail on these forums (Baldur's Gate 2) had that cycle.

Times were different back then. You could get away with smudgy graphics and NPCs clones and no voice acting (which is basically where most of the budget goes in today's games). BG2 is basically an interactive book

Modifié par DarthCaine, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:06 .

[David Gaider]

DarthCaine wrote...
At the end of the day, it's the budget that matters the most. IF you had a lot of budget, you could do many variations for your choices. (here) A child would be optional and a lot of people wouldn't do it, while you'd have a make a major NPC with lots of dialogue, several different apperiances etc.

But with DA2 being released so quickly and with so many things cut (you said it yourself in an interview about why no multiple origins), it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap (unlike DAO)

Actually, even if I had the budget I'm not sure I would include players with young children.

Why? Because I don't want to potentially force the player into the position of being a bad parent. The only way to do it justice would be to make it a major plot element-- not to make it a throwaway item in Aerie's backpack. I'm not really interested in that.

You can cynically dismiss everything as being ruled by budgets and timetables if you wish, but just because something could be an option and players might have a theoretical desire for that option doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

[Melness]

it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap

Which OBViously means that everything that isn't in DA2 is because of executive meddling or laziness.



Where is my psionic sheep summoning spell Bioware?! WHERE?! What about Teleportation? To hell with the 'cardinal rules of lol'!



Things may or may not fit a story. Pregnancy, according to the writer's judgement, doesn't and, personally, I agree. What you're doing is no different from claiming that DA2 should be about Wardens.

[nightcobra]

question to david gaider:



what do you personally think of the idea(not pregnancy but motherhood and fatherhood in general), is it something to consider down the line for future installments in the dragon age series?

[Follow Me on Twitter]

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...
At the end of the day, it's the budget that matters the most. IF you had a lot of budget, you could do many variations for your choices. (here) A child would be optional and a lot of people wouldn't do it, while you'd have a make a major NPC with lots of dialogue, several different apperiances etc.

But with DA2 being released so quickly and with so many things cut (you said it yourself in an interview about why no multiple origins), it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap (unlike DAO)

Actually, even if I had the budget I'm not sure I would include players with young children.

Why? Because I don't want to potentially force the player into the position of being a bad parent. The only way to do it justice would be to make it a major plot element-- not to make it a throwaway item in Aerie's backpack. I'm not really interested in that.

You can cynically dismiss everything as being ruled by budgets and timetables if you wish, but just because something could be an option and players might have a theoretical desire for that option doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

Thank you, really thats the only problem i have with the idea.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Wow, this is a resounding Do Not Want in my book.
I would laugh, though, if Mama Hawke asks Hawke about grandchildren.

"I'm not getting any younger, dear, let's see those grandkids."
"Mom, we've got a plot to resolve here."

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:08 .

[trickybunny]

Yeah I'm not understanding this whole it's gotta take 5 years for a game to be fantastic mentality. Most of the hard work is done already (creating the interfaces, engines etc etc technobabble) Origins was a success so why reinvent the wheel? Take what made it awesome, tweak it a little to make it more awesome. I personally hate when a game takes too long I don't wanna get all old waiting for it.



Or in the case of RE5 wait like 5 years for it, only to realize they didn't change much of anything and the story was rushed and full of lame overly used plot devices.

[Dudalizer]

Please no. Your romantic interest (or fem hawke) getting pregnant at the end of the story would be okay, but having to actually deal with the pregnancy ingame would be a bit too much IMO.  Maybe in the epilogue or something, but not during the game.

Modifié par Dudalizer, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:11 .

[mellifera]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Wow, this is a resounding Do Not Want in my book.
I would laugh, though, if Mama Hawke asks Hawke about grandchildren.

"I'm not getting any younger, dear, let's see those grandkids."
"Mom, we've got a plot to resolve here."

Haha, well, at least she has another kid.

[EnforcerGREG]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

question to david gaider:

what do you personally think of the idea(not pregnancy but motherhood and fatherhood in general), is it something to consider down the line for future installments in the dragon age series?

I do seem to recall someone on the recent Dev diary saying 1 thing that bioware does well is evolution, constantly adapting and changing.

Well, there seems to be some demand for it might be somthing to consider for the future.

[Melca36]

When I am in the mood to play a game where my characters get knocked up...I play something called The Sims.

I have no interest in seeing Hawke preggers. 

[Majin Paul]

I wouldn't mind if they gave the option of pregnancy in the game as long as it was well impleneted.

[Thiefy]

DarthCaine wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Figured as much. They don't wanna spend budget for something optional so they can rush the game for release.

Riiiight. Couldn't possibly be any other reason.

At the end of the day, it's the budget that matters the most. IF you had a lot of budget, you could do many variations for your choices. (here) A child would be optional and a lot of people wouldn't do it, while you'd have a make a major NPC with lots of dialogue, several different apperiances etc.

But with DA2 being released so quickly and with so many things cut (you said it yourself in an interview about why no multiple origins), it's pretty obvious DA2 is done quick and cheap (unlike DAO)

It could also be that maybe that's not the story they had written? One that includes a child, that is. I'd wager a guess that the devs went into this project with x/y/z elements that they had to tell to the player, or wanted to because they thought it would be the most engaging/funnest/most dramatic/etc points to the story and that adding a child in wouldn't really add or help anything with the story they had in mind - it might even detract from it.

Edit - as a side note, if you people think all the romance threads are annoying, have you ever thought about how BABY threads would be annoying?

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[Russalka]

The Sims argument is getting redundant.

[trickybunny]

Melca36 wrote...

When I am in the mood to play a game where my characters get knocked up...I play something called The Sims.

I have no interest in seeing Hawke preggers. 

Or like I said earlier in the thread you could try Fable, I don't like the way it's handled there either, because  despite being king, having an awesome wedding, and living in a castle my wife still left me because I wasn't coming home enough from adventuring to pay her or the kid any attention.  So like...I wasted my money ...

I don't wanna have to deal with those kinds of responsibilities  in Dragon Age I just wanna go on an epic quest(s) lol, leave  the white picket fence endings to fanfic or something. 

[SarEnyaDor]

What about Medieval Sims? It's coming out soon.....

[Russalka]

And so is the Fable one. People are not suggesting nappy-changing mini-games and special pregnancy items, but a meaningful and interesting plot line, which could shape the story in whole.



It is not going to happen in Dragon Age 2, and this thread now nothing more than a troll-attraction.

[Beerfish]

"Hon do I look fat in this plate mail?"

"Errr......wellllll."



At least that plot angle might satisfy all the people complaining about the love interest having big breasts.