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[Yzzid]

I'm really disappointed with EA / Bioware attitude on the matter. Many people like steam, so cutting them out of signature edition isn't a cool move. Of course there were other way to pre order, but that's not really the issue.



And, whatever hte say, it's obviously going to look like a targeted move. Especially with steam position in the PC gaming market. If it was really because "the deal wasn't ready in time", you could always, you know, have extended the offer for every retailer (not steam only, in order to be fair) during a week or so.

[Yzzid]

Edit : Double Post, gnnn

Modifié par Yzzid, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:32 .

[abbe6100]

magicwins wrote...

abbe6100 wrote...

magicwins wrote...

This.... really is disappointing.

It may just be good business, but it's upsetting to see all those Steam fanboys/girls taken advantage of. I really do not know why they love it so much, but this move was clearly executed with them in mind.

Sigh....

Why? Because they did digital sales RIGHT for the longest of times, theres a reason they are #1.

There's such a thing as community trust? And it's being screwed with right now?

I thought you'd have a bigger problem with it than me . I don't even use Steam.

Oh I'm hugely disappointed and have a huge problem with it, but showing too much of it will just bring the banhammer, which only EA and Bioware gain something from.
I guess you could summarize it with this:

[GuldiienDAO]

I know this is probably a shot in the dark but will there be an option to register a retail DA2 key on Steam? I know a few games do this.

[Youmu]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

I know this is probably a shot in the dark but will there be an option to register a retail DA2 key on Steam? I know a few games do this.

Absolutely not.

No EA game ever has done it.

[abbe6100]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

I know this is probably a shot in the dark but will there be an option to register a retail DA2 key on Steam? I know a few games do this.

It is not integrated with Steamworks, so no it will not. You can of course still add the game as a shortcut, but then you won't get the autodownloads.

[Youmu]

Egh. Guess I will refrain from buying DA2 for now. I'll look into it when it gets some -25% Steam deal or something in the future.

Modifié par Youmu, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:43 .

[shoptroll]

I'm disappointed in this as well and maybe they're being honest about the deals not being in place on time. However, the latest Need for Speed game wasn't on Steam until a couple weeks after the retail launch, and there's still no listing for Bulletstorm on the service despite BeyondUnreal getting confirmation that the game will be available on the service. Plus there was the Digital Deluxe Edition for almost all the major digital distribution platforms during the pre-order campaign for DA1. Maybe there's nothing malicious behind this but it really does look bad on EA and Bioware in my mind.



I am glad to hear that most of the content will be available as DLC but I think the damage is already done for some people. I really hope that if this was due to timing issues that this won't happen again with SWTOR or Mass Effect 3.

[Kinkaku]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

You didn't answer my question on whether all of the things that were available for free in the signiture edition be available for purchase as dlc for us Steam users?

Sorry. To the best of my knowledge, teh Exiled Prince and the Soundtrack will be available for Steam users as DLC.

Exiled Price? Haha Sorry had to point it out 

Edit: Fixed Freudian slip.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:53 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Yes, it's a cheap move by EA (EA, not Bioware btw), yet...if you want to pre-order, why haven't you pre-ordered a physical copy of the Signature Edition and at release, registered it at steam? That would have been the smartest decision :/

[Lord_Saulot]

Yzzid wrote...

I'm really disappointed with EA / Bioware attitude on the matter. Many people like steam, so cutting them out of signature edition isn't a cool move. Of course there were other way to pre order, but that's not really the issue.

And, whatever hte say, it's obviously going to look like a targeted move. Especially with steam position in the PC gaming market. If it was really because "the deal wasn't ready in time", you could always, you know, have extended the offer for every retailer (not steam only, in order to be fair) during a week or so.

How do we know that this is EA's fault?  EA's position in the gaming market is as big as it gets - it isn't like they can't do this kind of thing properly.  The could make the arrangements with other retailers just fine.  If one specific major retailer's deal isn't done on time, isn't it most likely their fault?  Why are so many people ready to jump on EA or Bioware, when it is just as likely that Valve is to blame?  And in any case, why should EA bend over backwards to accommodate one retailer?

I use Steam sometimes, and it can be convenient, but the industry does not stop for one retailer.  And Valve makes mistakes too.

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:15 .

[Bode GodSend]

sfcrafael wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

sfcrafael wrote...

TJPags wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...


Read my posts. I'm not fighting for myself, I'm fighting for the people who aren't in the know. I know, it's absurd in this day and age. Someone who is CARING about other people? My god, I should have a movie and biography deal by now.

Okay, fine.

But if people heard about the SE, they could easily have found a place to purchase it.  If all they do is look at Steam to see what's being released, well, again, that's like walking into Best Buy to see what games are available, and complaining you didn't know about something because it was out of stock at BestBuy.

I'm sorry, but the information is readily available from a number of sources to learn that the game exists.

you know, there are people who live in places where there aren't game stores to preorder from and where other digital stores that would offer the deal are region locked, Steam being the exception

so, because of that, I'm not allowed to get the SE?

where?

Brazil here
but I would assume Latin America as a whole didnt get this offer

 Actualy they did have the signature edition on ea online store. I'm also from Brazil and I pre-order from there,
which leads to my question, does the bonus from the signature edition are linked to your ea account? I mean, say if  latter on I buy the game from steam, do I get the dlc from the signature edition? i'm asking this because i just discovered that the ea online store has a policy of letting people download the game for only a year <_<... so I will probably buy the game from steam in a end of year sale or something...

[magicwins]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

How do we know that this is EA's fault?  EA's position in the gaming market is as big as it gets - it isn't like they can't do this kind of thing properly.  The could make the arrangements with other retailers just fine.  If one specific major retailer's deal isn't done on time, isn't it most likely their fault?  Why are so many people ready to jump on EA or Bioware, when it is just as likely that Valve is to blame?  And in any case, why should EA bend over backwards to accommodate one retailer?

I use Steam sometimes, and it can be convenient, but the industry does not stop for one retailer.  And Valve makes mistakes too.

Because Bioware said they had no information before the 11th? And on the 12th they suddenly do?

Call it what you want, my perspective doesn't seem likely to change soon.

Modifié par magicwins, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:18 .

[flexxdk]

magicwins wrote...
Because Bioware said they had no information before the 11th? And on the 12th they suddenly do?

Call it what you want, my perspective doesn't seem likely to change soon.

Keep in mind that EA's the boss in BioWare Town. EA decides which retailer gets which game. Then the negotiations with these retailers begin.

Either way, Valve might be to blame too.

Still, it is quite remarkable that all of a sudden, AFTER the deadline of 11 January, Steam has DA 2 up for pre-ordering. Makes me wonder if they did it on purpose or that there had been made a compromise, which unfortunately was made a day too late.

[Lord_Saulot]

magicwins wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

How do we know that this is EA's fault?  EA's position in the gaming market is as big as it gets - it isn't like they can't do this kind of thing properly.  The could make the arrangements with other retailers just fine.  If one specific major retailer's deal isn't done on time, isn't it most likely their fault?  Why are so many people ready to jump on EA or Bioware, when it is just as likely that Valve is to blame?  And in any case, why should EA bend over backwards to accommodate one retailer?

I use Steam sometimes, and it can be convenient, but the industry does not stop for one retailer.  And Valve makes mistakes too.

Because Bioware said they had no information before the 11th? And on the 12th they suddenly do?

Call it what you want, my perspective doesn't seem likely to change soon.

*Shrugs* Well, we can disagree then, but I don't have any reason to think that this was a purposeful exclusion.  I see no reason why Bioware would actively try to support this offer for all the other major US retailers, but single out one retailer not to get it.  Especially since Steam had the Digital Deluxe for DAO.  But we can agree to disagree.

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[elvispt]

I'm surprised by this move from EA.
I was expecting that after the initial pre-order, until yesterday, Steam users would be able to get the SE edition.

Also Valve could have pressured EA to release the SE on Steam, since EA is going to release Portal 2.

I'm seriously considering canceling my pre-order on Amazon and not getting on Steam. Just wait for some ultimate edition by the end of the year.

Lame tactic in my opinion by EA.

Modifié par elvispt, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:34 .

[magicwins]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

I see no reason why Bioware would actively try to support this offer for all the other major US retailers, but single out one retailer not to get it.

Because Steam fanboys and girls are especially rabid

Lord_Saulot wrote...

But we can agree to disagree.

That we can

Modifié par magicwins, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:26 .

[Estelindis]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Tony, and others, the deal with Steam was not available in time for the Signature Edition offer. I know this will not prevent you from thinking this was a big conspiracy, but the deal was not finalized in time for the Signature Edition. However, we are pleased to now have a deal in place with Steam for Steam users such as yourself. 

In order to avoid such allegations, why not make it possible for anyone who preorders through Steam for the first week of availability to get the SE?  It seems fair given that we've had months to preorder the SE through other methods.

Now, personally, I preordered my SE months ago.  I'm not a huge fan of Steam.  (I'm against it in cases where it's forced on me even if I buy a game on a physical disk like Civ 5.  But I realise it's done a lot for PC gaming in general.)  So there's absolutely no self-interest at work here - merely a disinterested request.  (First definition, not second, before anyone calls me on this.)

It just seems... remarkably unfortunate that the deal would just happen to be finalised immediately after the final deadline for the SE passes.  (Of course, if it was actually a "conspiracy" I'd expect better of the conspirators.  Surely no one would be so transparent?  They'd wait a week at least...)

Modifié par Estelindis, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:28 .

[Kraken3dfx]

Gotta say, I'm extremely disappointed by this.  Call it spam if you want, but I will personally hold off buying what would have been a no-brainer as a pre-order.  I've got a stack of Steam games from the Xmas sale to play through, and I don't like politics being played in my gaming.

At the same time I do like money staying in my wallet, and for now that's exactly where it will stay.

[Yzzid]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Yzzid wrote...

I'm
really disappointed with EA / Bioware attitude on the matter. Many
people like steam, so cutting them out of signature edition isn't a cool
move. Of course there were other way to pre order, but that's not
really the issue.

And, whatever hte say, it's obviously going to
look like a targeted move. Especially with steam position in the PC
gaming market. If it was really because "the deal wasn't ready in time",
you could always, you know, have extended the offer for every retailer
(not steam only, in order to be fair) during a week or so.

How
do we know that this is EA's fault?  EA's position in the gaming market
is as big as it gets - it isn't like they can't do this kind of thing
properly.  The could make the arrangements with other retailers just
fine.  If one specific major retailer's deal isn't done on time, isn't
it most likely their fault?  Why are so many people ready to jump on EA
or Bioware, when it is just as likely that Valve is to blame?  And in
any case, why should EA bend over backwards to accommodate one retailer?

I
use Steam sometimes, and it can be convenient, but the industry does
not stop for one retailer.  And Valve makes mistakes too.

Well
yeah, it's probably a clash for money between two major corporation.
I'm still disappointed that EA solution is "well gamers on your platform
won't have the signature ed".

Or, if the deal thing is actually true and it's not petty corporate war, why not actually extend the offer for everyone?

Maybe
it's really Valve fault, i don't and can't know. But, i trust them more
than I trust EA. It's a bit random, blind, and based on personnal
experience sorry [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Still,
with the competition between EA Store / Steam, recent outcrys of
retailers against Steam, delayed EA games on steam, Dragon Age Ultimate
STILL not available on Steam in my country, and now the timing of the
whole signature ed / preorder on steam thing, i find it a bit hard not
to see a kind of link.

But then, i may be seeing evil everywhere, i'm kind of pessimistic [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

[LexXxich]

Nice to see Fem!Hawke as one of the representative screenshots on Steam.

[Addai]

Lord_Saulot wrote...
*Shrugs* Well, we can disagree then, but I don't have any reason to think that this was a purposeful exclusion.  I see no reason why Bioware would actively try to support this offer for all the other major US retailers, but single out one retailer not to get it.  Especially since Steam had the Digital Deluxe for DAO.  But we can agree to disagree.

Google "blackout broadcasting" if this concept really mystifies.

Who knows, not saying it wasn't just remarkable coincidence and EA marketing is not the most pristine, unselfish and magnanimous marketing dept on the planet.  It's just very curious.

I'm still on the pre-order fence, mostly because of the increase in the price of the PC game, but Steam might have tempted me.  I'm not a Steam fangirl, it just has proven to be reliable and convenient.

[PriscilaSSR]

Bode GodSend wrote...

 Actualy they did have the signature edition on ea online store. I'm also from Brazil and I pre-order from there,
which leads to my question, does the bonus from the signature edition are linked to your ea account? I mean, say if  latter on I buy the game from steam, do I get the dlc from the signature edition? i'm asking this because i just discovered that the ea online store has a policy of letting people download the game for only a year <_<... so I will probably buy the game from steam in a end of year sale or something...

Only for a year? That seems crazy. What if I need to reinstall the game on another computer? Or need to reformat my own now? Are you sure about this? 

Modifié par PriscilaSSR, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:37 .

[Drasill]

So, the deal didn't go through until the day after the Signature Edition offer expired? Show me a person who believes that and I'll show you a politician's dream.

[Lord_Saulot]

Addai67 wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
*Shrugs* Well, we can disagree then, but I don't have any reason to think that this was a purposeful exclusion.  I see no reason why Bioware would actively try to support this offer for all the other major US retailers, but single out one retailer not to get it.  Especially since Steam had the Digital Deluxe for DAO.  But we can agree to disagree.

Google "blackout broadcasting" if this concept really mystifies.

Who knows, not saying it wasn't just remarkable coincidence and EA marketing is not the most pristine, unselfish and magnanimous marketing dept on the planet.  It's just very curious.

I'm still on the pre-order fence, mostly because of the increase in the price of the PC game, but Steam might have tempted me.  I'm not a Steam fangirl, it just has proven to be reliable and convenient.

Thanks, I looked up and I understand what you are suggesting.  I guess, I still just don't see any reason that Steam is special enough to be singled out when other digital distributors got the offer and major retail chains got it as well.  The most likely explanation to me, is that Valve wasn't willing to do something that everyone else was willing to do.